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Amen. A preacher got me a copy of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance back in the 70s. I've been a fan since. When the web came along, so did Blue Letter Bible, with the Strong's online helps.
Flying saucers? That seems an extreme way of avoiding the rapid separation of continents at the time.Amen. Writing came along later.
Amen, but what is state.nature? At the time of Peleg, the Lord transported Noah's descendants all over the world from Babel.
The division was among Noah's descendants and NOT the dividing the planet from one state to another.
Gen 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
Yes. My opinion is that 'wormhole/stargate/cosmic taps' sort of portals were opened in our time and space connecting to the region outside our 'known universe', where waters above the firmament were at the time.
No record of anyone dying for everyone - you'd think that'd be a priority for a God wanting a connection with all of his creation, no? No record of any fulfilled prophesies either, All the examples I've come across before now are hilarious!God came to earth to prove it by dying for us and also fulfilling hundreds and hundreds of precise prophesies about Him coming.
If it's the same as parental "worship" then Great! Live the Dream!Well, that is a bit like saying it is my eternal job to love my mom and dad who will be there also. Not really, it is just a facet of life there, lots of love everywhere. The folks there will always remember what Jesus did for us, and love Him t bits. Many cal that worship.
Webster says this..
: to honor or reverence as a divine being or supernatural power
2: to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion
Of course He will be honored and respected. Remember also that He honors and respects us also. Like in a marriage, don't they talk about love honor and respect?
- a celebrity worshipped by her fans
ADDRESS THE QUESTION ALREADY! What Recourse does the Woman Have if the Priests bitter water potion doesn't cause her to miscarry, but just makes her violently ill for a few days? What does the Biblical Law say about it?The issue is not man or woman, but adultery and lying to God in that ancient nation that was set up to prepare the way.
There was no memory! The first biblical writing was in ancient Hebrew, which itself belongs to the Canaanite group of languages. In turn, the Canaanite languages are a branch of the Northwest Semitic family of languages. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language for more. That in itself should tell you that your God seem to have picked a minor dialect that would be forgotten in time, which would need to be translated and copied many times to be kept current - this language is not more that around 3,000 years old! The Bible only ever talks about the Hebrews and Israelites as the chosen few, so all the other lanuages used before and after, let alone all the other Canaanite derivatives besides Hebrew that not only survived, but went on to flourish, flies in the face of your God wanting to make a scene, caring about all of us.Flood stories of various kinds involving a big boat and mankind being saved abound. Now Moses was a great man of Egypt that brought a great defeat and humiliation to the nation so it is no surprise they tried to erase the memory!
There is some debate about what leader was there at the Exodus. I could zoom in and maybe make an educated guess, but that is another thread. One clue I would look for in dating Egypt is life spans. We could look at the dropping life spans of man listed in the bible, and get approx dates! Far better than so called science/same state past based dates.
seems odd that your God would be motivated to cause that on purpose, don't you think?They apparently latched onto other spirits whom they love honored and respected. After Babel, the folks who had rejected Him formed nations and adopted various demon gods.
It does, the successful predictions are testament (pun intended). That your internet connected devices work are yet more proof of the same.However it looks to your circular religion in the fishbowl, the bottom line is that science does not know the state of nature in the past.
Well, Yes, I live in Australia and we're particularly immigrant friendly. We have quite a diverse ethnic cross-section and as such, we see much of what I described - that is, communities tend to stay fixed, and culture as well as languages mix.No? You make it sound like you have some experience with this?
Well, this is nice & all, but it doesn't fit in with what we know - see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Middle_Eastern_history - everything you say here is just opinion and doesn't have anything to back it up besides your wish that the Bible is literal and true in every respect. It just isn't. There's about 12,000 years of history of emerging civilisations and associated farming and construction technologies.I assume that Babel was at the time of the nature change, and probably one of the effects of it caused by God. That means that also about this time was massive rapid plate movements, and mountain building/uplift etc etc. The area that was then the plains where they were building the tower of Babel likely was pushed under fairly quickly, so tha is why the tower is not now a historical tourist trap I would think. (probably also why ancient temples at Karnak would now have the summer solstice blocked by hills, so they deduce it must have been a winter solstice they were oriented to)
I suspect that the way man processed info in our brains may have been somewhat affected. (thus perhaps different brain sizes became needed/adapted). This is why I think some early 'nations' resorted to scrawling picture words to communicate with others! It seems logical that peoples with the same language would tend to stick together, even if they traded and communicated with other 'nations'. It may have been that the groups of people at Babel, building that tower to the spirit realm above at the time, (the nature change also resulted in the spiritual realm being separated from this physical real to a greater degree apparently!) may have shared 'gods'. That would have been an added incentive to band together. (and perhaps help explain why different areas had different gods!).
So one could hardly wave away the idea that nations would have tended to form.
...the one and only nature there's ever been. Anyway, You're again, just asserting nonsense as if it were well-established fact. There aren't any facts to support your favorite story. The facts we do have show no such worldwide flood ever happened and evidence of civilisations from around 12,000 years ago with further nomadic tribes and societies going back 40,000 years and more before this. As much as these earlier nomadic people didn't write anything (besides cave paintings, of course), like detectives, we can find out quite a lot from their discarded tools, rubbish, burials and campsites through archaeology which has revealed quite a rich history right across the continent, it even includes the last of the neanderthals and how we interacted with them too.... too bad we eventually killed them all off...History is after the fact! There are no records for the time of Babel except the record God preserved and handed down! Men in my opinion possibly never even had written..anything...before Babel, as there was such superior communication then.
By the time man started to need to draw pictures to communicate, and later progressed to writing, Babel was long gone, and we were well into this present state.nature!
Not sure what some silly flat earth has to do with recorded events in the bible regarding flood water?WHOA! LOL! I KNEW you were a Flat-Earther! I guess I just hadn't got around to asking... no wonder you're so impervious to evidence and facts!
Why are they God's nation today who were being taught superior truths?Well, I take it back - I guess you also believe that unruly kids should be stoned at the edge of town, along with people working on the sabbath? Adulterers too?
Ever heard of..Christmas?No record of anyone dying for everyone
You sound like you are familiar with the bitter water in Israel thousands of years ago? Why make stuff up?ADDRESS THE QUESTION ALREADY! What Recourse does the Woman Have if the Priests bitter water potion doesn't cause her to miscarry, but just makes her violently ill for a few days? What does the Biblical Law say about it?
Hebrew was the language of Israel, no? Why would we care if others spoke it also? Why would anyone assume that just because the written Scripture first came in Hebrew, that God started speaking only then?There was no memory! The first biblical writing was in ancient Hebrew, which itself belongs to the Canaanite group of languages. In turn, the Canaanite languages are a branch of the Northwest Semitic family of languages.
Hebrew is alive today actually.That in itself should tell you that your God seem to have picked a minor dialect that would be forgotten in time, which would need to be translated and copied many times to be kept current - this language is not more that around 3,000 years old!
Bible predictions are testament. Science predictions are a joke and often circular nonsense.It does, the successful predictions are testament (pun intended). That your internet connected devices work are yet more proof of the same.
Migrants from Babel never went to countries and mixed. They went into..land...and lived.Well, Yes, I live in Australia and we're particularly immigrant friendly. We have quite a diverse ethnic cross-section and as such, we see much of what I described - that is, communities tend to stay fixed, and culture as well as languages mix.
Only by your religious dream dating methods are your fantasy ages real though.There's about 12,000 years of history of emerging civilisations and associated farming and construction technologies.
In this nature...maybe. It was the former nature. Ha.Massive plate tectonic movement would destroy all life if it were to move as fast as you say it happened to get to how we see it all today - and again, not what we can see in the geological record.
Well, who knows the mind and plan of the Almighty?? My guess would be it may have something to do with limiting the wickedness of man. Waft them out far apart on different continents, unable hardly to communicate, and then reduce the life span by 90% also! That would keep wickedness slowed down a bit I would think.Also, if God could just separate Heaven from your magical realm thingie, why destroy Babel and confuse everyone with different languages?
Prove it....the one and only nature there's ever been.
Dream dates based solely on a same state past are not facts.The facts we do have show no such worldwide flood ever happened and evidence of civilisations from around 12,000 years ago with further nomadic tribes and societies going back 40,000 years and more before this.
It seems natural that man would evolve and adapt to the new nature.As much as these earlier nomadic people didn't write anything (besides cave paintings, of course), like detectives, we can find out quite a lot from their discarded tools, rubbish, burials and campsites through archaeology which has revealed quite a rich history right across the continent, it even includes the last of the neanderthals and how we interacted with them too.... too bad we eventually killed them all off...
Oh, so you do read parts of it as allegory, and not literal after all?Not sure what some silly flat earth has to do with recorded events in the bible regarding flood water?
Please restate, I have no idea what you're saying here...Why are they God's nation today who were being taught superior truths?
Ahh, Yes, the Pagan Winter Solstice Festival reappropriated by Christians to convert the Heathens... Do Christmas Trees get put up? Christmas Dinner prepared? Yule Log on offer? 12 days of celebration?Ever heard of..Christmas?
I wanted to see your hypocrisy in action... Your spectacular gymnastics to avoid answering the question shows you know your book isn't perfect and/or can't be taken/interpreted literally.You sound like you are familiar with the bitter water in Israel thousands of years ago? Why make stuff up?
Didn't your God want to include all his creations? Why pick a favourite warbanding cut-throat tribe in the middle east and only communicate with them?Hebrew was the language of Israel, no? Why would we care if others spoke it also? Why would anyone assume that just because the written Scripture first came in Hebrew, that God started speaking only then?
If he wanted his word to be widely understood and followed, Yes! I'm not even a God and I know this to be good practice... The language had to be brought back from extinction - and isn't the exact same as it was then - as much as they'd like it to be...Hebrew is alive today actually.
What, you thought He had to pick a people who used the majority tongue??
yet yields useful and practical solutions all the time. Go figure..Bible predictions are testament. Science predictions are a joke and often circular nonsense.
Well, we have genetic records of pre-civilisation humans and neanderthals who have descendants still living in the area. Genetically, the entirety of the human race alive today came from Central Africa. There are generations upon generations of descendants in Africa today who have come from an unbroken line of African-only ancestry - so at no stage did any of their ancestors ever leave Central Africa let alone via Noah's family in the middle east...Migrants from Babel never went to countries and mixed. They went into..land...and lived.
Jealous because I have all the evidence and you have no comeback, I see...Only by your religious dream dating methods are your fantasy ages real though.
Well, them's the Facts - until you can disprove these Facts, your posts are just the musings of some crazy old nutter living out some delusion he can't let go of...In this nature...maybe. It was the former nature. Ha.
Those who made him up in the first place? Your suppositions are at odds with a God who loves us and wants to have a relationship with us.Well, who knows the mind and plan of the Almighty?? My guess would be it may have something to do with limiting the wickedness of man. Waft them out far apart on different continents, unable hardly to communicate, and then reduce the life span by 90% also! That would keep wickedness slowed down a bit I would think.
Prove it.
Your baseless assertions are baseless assertions. Until then, the dates we can measure ARE observed facts.Dream dates based solely on a same state past are not facts.
We constantly evolve. Nature constantly evolves too.It seems natural that man would evolve and adapt to the new nature.
You seem to be among those that mistakenly think the bible said the world was flat.Oh, so you do read parts of it as allegory, and not literal after all?
As mentioned before, the blood sacrifices and other things that God had Israel do all pointed to Jesus, and also lessons they needed to learn, such as not lying to God.Please restate, I have no idea what you're saying here...
The One born that day or celebrated being born on that day is the point actually, not pagan practices of old.Ahh, Yes, the Pagan Winter Solstice Festival reappropriated by Christians to convert the Heathens... Do Christmas Trees get put up? Christmas Dinner prepared? Yule Log on offer? 12 days of celebration?
If the Almighty chose to be born on some day that some demon god or emperor also celebrated...who really cares?That last one should be a point of note - an earlier Roman Emperor had already hoovered Dec25 for His Syrian God before Emperor Constantine changed it to celebrate Your God later...
Why question God? He had to pick sinners of some sort, there is no one else on earth.Didn't your God want to include all his creations? Why pick a favourite warbanding cut-throat tribe in the middle east and only communicate with them?
They are not the same either. So?If he wanted his word to be widely understood and followed, Yes! I'm not even a God and I know this to be good practice... The language had to be brought back from extinction - and isn't the exact same as it was then - as much as they'd like it to be...
In other words records of people before writing was part of man's experiences. So?Well, we have genetic records of pre-civilisation humans and neanderthals who have descendants still living in the area.
Well, once this nature came to exist, there was bound to be someone still moving somewhere. So? That doesn't mean the genetics even existed in the former state! So why would we care about modern genetics only when trying to model the past?? Basically irrelevant.Genetically, the entirety of the human race alive today came from Central Africa.
I have to go by the record we have. Science doesn't know either way. To claim a same state past is a baseless assertion.LOL! Not Likely! You start by proving there was a different state past first! You're Hilarious!
I agree. We also were created first before any evolving happened. We also used to adapt and evolve at super fast rates in the former nature.We constantly evolve. Nature constantly evolves too.
Flying saucers? That seems an extreme way of avoiding the rapid separation of continents at the time.
BIG SNIP
So, there are different opinions on the matter.
Not sure what some silly flat earth has to do with recorded events in the bible regarding flood water?
You seem to be among those that mistakenly think the bible said the world was flat.
I don't care what it says - I have no sway either way. What I want to know, are things in the Bible "Not" Literal? For example, in 1 Samuel 2:8 where it says "...for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.", do you interpret this to mean the Earth is literally set on Pillars?You seem to be among those that mistakenly think the bible said the world was flat.
Ahh, a loving, bloodthirsty God. Got it. but Why the sacrifices, where destroying his creation and bloodletting it back to him via fire makes any sense? He Created It! Why would he then make rules requiring his creation to destroy his other creations and bloodlet it back to him by flame and smoke? Does Jesus need the blood to surrogate an offering to himself when he kills himself to serve as a loophole for rules he put in place to start with?As mentioned before, the blood sacrifices and other things that God had Israel do all pointed to Jesus, and also lessons they needed to learn, such as not lying to God.
Perhaps to you as a Christian - to me, it's a holiday and a time to celebrate the love and company of family and friends, something Jesus wasn't really a fan of. These celebrations were in place a long time before Christianity was around.The One born that day or celebrated being born on that day is the point actually, not pagan practices of old.
Well, You as it turns out - You're the one claiming that Jesus! is the One and Only Reason for the Winter Solstice celebrations - and that simply isn't the case at all. We've even determined that nobody actually knows when Jesus was born (if he existed as a single source for all the stories in the first place), let alone that December 25th is that day...If the Almighty chose to be born on some day that some demon god or emperor also celebrated...who really cares?
I'm still not convinced Gods even exist - but to answer your question - Because these aren't the actions of a God of all creation. It sounds more like a wargod of a particular tribe that too many people hundreds, or thousands of years after the fact, have retroactively latched onto as the creator of the universe.Why question God? He had to pick sinners of some sort, there is no one else on earth.
So he didn't care for his word to be widely understood and followed.... like a Tribal Wargod rather than an all-knowing creator of the universe.They are not the same either. So?
So the human race was never reduced to just 8 examples on a methane choked boat for a year. There's no genetic radiation entirely from the middle east at any point in the history of humans. Therefore, a Worldwide Flood that wiped out everyone except Noah and his family, is literally impossible.In other words records of people before writing was part of man's experiences. So?
If only you knew the hilarity of your comment... I have no doubt you think you made a point, and that just makes me laugh harder...!!Well, once this nature came to exist, there was bound to be someone still moving somewhere. So? That doesn't mean the genetics even existed in the former state! So why would we care about modern genetics only when trying to model the past?? Basically irrelevant.
LOL!I have to go by the record we have. Science doesn't know either way. To claim a same state past is a baseless assertion.
There's the claim - still not seeing any supporting evidence for it. All the evidence we do have points to genetics having always existed since the start of life on this planet, and we've been able to make quite a number of deep-time predictions that wouldn't have been possible if your fantasy past scenario were real.I agree. We also were created first before any evolving happened. We also used to adapt and evolve at super fast rates in the former nature.
Just out of curiosity, do you consider someone who needs a blood transfusion "bloodthirsty"?Ahh, a loving, bloodthirsty God.
Well, possibly - thirsting for blood could be construed literally in this case due to a requirement for blood - but the term "bloodthirsty" has a specific connotation, and that'd be for the want of unnecessary brutality or killing.Just out of curiosity, do you consider someone who needs a blood transfusion "bloodthirsty"?
Even were that the case, what does the Creator of the Universe need with blood? if he created the universe to satiate his fetish of blood, why not go the extra mile and leave an underground lake of fresh blood under the surface of the moon or something where he can access it at his leisure away from prying eyes? or a reserve of lambs for every first born child that will ever be born, etc. Why is it necessary for his creations to kill his other creations in his honour? If God wanted something dead, then surely he could do this all on his own, either through natural death after birth of whatever would have to suffer a bloody death, or instead, not allowing it to be born at all?If not, are you willing to admit that not everyone who requires blood is "bloodthirsty"?
Any fallen angel could pull those tricks you mentioned.Even were that the case, what does the Creator of the Universe need with blood?
There is evidence the continents divided, and your way of determining time is belief based, not fact.There is NO evidence of such a division of continents at the time. Your view is that of people who cannot support their foolishness with the agreement of Scripture with Science and History. IOW, it's a half-truth a partial truth which is akin to what Donald Trump preaches daily. Amen?
Windows of heaven involved more than our physics.Your idea that flood water was above the earth is ridiculous. What happened to gravity? Why didn't the firmament fall down under the weight of all that water? A "floating" firmament in the sky demonstrates your silliness and lack of Scriptural support.
Adam's Earth was flat. It was only 22.5 feet to the top of the highest mountain on Adam's Earth.
Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward (22.5 feet) did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
Show me angels even exist, let alone a fallen angel pulling tricks...Any fallen angel could pull those tricks you mentioned.
Why was it necessary to sacrifice his son in the first place? He's God, is he not? He can just decide that different rules are now in place. there was no reason to kill his Son while pretty much the entire world except for 12 nobody followers were completely oblivious to what was going on. Just seems so inept for someone who wanted to get a message across to everyone, let alone the creator of the universe...But the fact that God sacrificed His own Son on the Cross, which Son then rose from the dead, can't be imitated by any angel -- fallen or otherwise.
Not when considered rationally and objectively, it isn't.Christianity indeed is head-and-shoulders above anything man or angel can perform.
His son volunteered.Why was it necessary to sacrifice his son in the first place?
so if that's a voluntary thing your God chose to do in this low-key manner not widely seen by the vast majority of the word's population then, why am I expected to believe it on pain of death & eternal torture now? Not to blow my own trumpet, but even I could tell this is a really, really bad way for Anyone to get the most important message about the eternal salvation of my creation to my followers, let alone for an almighty creator of a universe.His son volunteered.
Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Psalm 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Yes.And do you realize the Bible consists of two testaments: the Old Testament and the New Testament?
You're still not answering the question. Why is this even necessary again? Who made the rules?Do you know what a testament is?
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Then what's this?so if that's a voluntary thing your God chose to do in this low-key manner not widely seen by the vast majority of the word's population then,
Your answer is in your question.Bugeyedcreepy said:... why am I expected to believe it on pain of death & eternal torture now?
Read what you just wrote.Bugeyedcreepy said:Not to blow my own trumpet, but even I could tell this is a really, really bad way for Anyone to get the most important message about the eternal salvation of my creation to my followers, let alone for an almighty creator of a universe.
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