Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
"With" and "God", be it petition or praise & inquiry.In that equation a conversation is prayer but unlike talking with anyone else but God.
He obviously did not know his faith very well then. Catholics worship God and God alone. We Honor those such as Mary who is the mother of Jesus and the saints because they were normal human beings who were able to live according to God and found favor with God.I'm afraid not. He took pains to make it clear. I was a new convert, going on about Jesus all the time, and I think he felt he needed to set me straight.
Well, Catholics keep teaching me the following: we're supposed to "venerate" Mary; we're supposed to pray to the saints; and when we do worship Jesus, it's in the form of bread.
To bring this back around to SS, I'm listening to Foxe's Book of Martyrs at my job. As time went on after Christ, religious officials added one thing, then another, then another. I listed these in an earlier post, but they included Transubstantiation, praying to Mary and the saints, praying to statues of Mary and the saints, indulgences, purgatory. A number of Christians naturally wondered where these came from, since the New Testament makes no mention of them. They were also alarmed at the call to worship images and the aforementioned bread, and refused to do it. And so untold numbers of them were condemned, persecuted, tortured and burned alive as "heretics."
I'm afraid not. He took pains to make it clear. I was a new convert, going on about Jesus all the time, and I think he felt he needed to set me straight.
Well, Catholics keep teaching me the following: we're supposed to "venerate" Mary; we're supposed to pray to the saints; and when we do worship Jesus, it's in the form of bread.
To bring this back around to SS, I'm listening to Foxe's Book of Martyrs at my job. As time went on after Christ, religious officials added one thing, then another, then another. I listed these in an earlier post, but they included Transubstantiation, praying to Mary and the saints, praying to statues of Mary and the saints, indulgences, purgatory. A number of Christians naturally wondered where these came from, since the New Testament makes no mention of them. They were also alarmed at the call to worship images and the aforementioned bread, and refused to do it. And so untold numbers of them were condemned, persecuted, tortured and burned alive as "heretics."
If the church had remained within the Scriptures as Christ did, and not repeated the Pharisees' mistake of adding their own traditions which (as Christ pointed out) inevitably clash with the Bible, none of those atrocities ever would have happened.
Why should this include dead people? That just sounds creepy and morbid.
In the Bible, God alone is prayed to/venerated/worshiped. In Catholicism, it seems to be everyone else.
purgatory is mentioned in the Bible though just not in the name given, just like the trinity is mentioned in the Bible but the word Trinity is nowhere to be found.
Please go find another book. Foxes Book of Martyrs is a rabidly anti-Catholic book and rather sketchy in its historical accuracy. Especially its section on early christian history.
Foxe's book of Martyrs is propaganda, not history. Even protestant theologians admit as much.
So the Waldensian and Huguenot persecutions never happened? The St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre never happened? And most of all, the Inquisition never happened???
It's another thing that bothers me, that people would defend a church that's guilty of such horrors and even regard it as infallible.
Neither am I defending "Protestantism." Feel free to list their own atrocities.
Christ didn't promise that to ANY denomination.The Catholic Church teaches truth. It is protected from teaching error by the promise of Christ..
Christ didn't promise that to ANY denomination.He didn't even promise it to the whole church!
No Bible citation of course, just wishful thinking.He only started one Church. He chose leaders for his Church. He made promises to the leaders of his Church.
His Church is led by the apostles and their successors(starting with Mathias), teaches with a unified authority, and forgives sins.
Why did Paul then write letters to the Church at Phillipi (Phillipians), Ephesus (Ephesians), Galatia (Galatians), Corinth (1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians), Thessolonica (Thesseloneans), ect.He only started one Church. He chose leaders for his Church. He made promises to the leaders of his Church.
His Church is led by the apostles and their successors(starting with Mathias), teaches with a unified authority, and forgives sins.
This is different than what God told Moses in Exodus when writing the 10 Commandments.What this shows is that a substitute word is often used for worship so that what is being done will not seem to be worship. Or, as is sometimes the case, the church will say that X is one kind of worship while Y is a different kind of worship.
What really matters is not this ^ but whether or not that which is being done constitutes worship.
Why did Paul then write letters to the Church at Phillipi (Phillipians), Ephesus (Ephesians), Galatia (Galatians), Corinth (1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians), Thessolonica (Thesseloneans), ect.
That is only one church?
I hate to break it to you, but each Christian is THE CHURCH. Jesus says so. We are the Tabernacle, the Holy Spirit lives in each of us. That is the church.Those are locations, not different churches with different doctrines. Note in Acts 15 when the Christians at Antioch had a question about the requirements for gentile converts they sent Paul to the Church leaders to get the dispute resolved.
Jesus Himself told us how and to whom we are to pray. Pray to the Father in the name of the Son. Matt 6:9-13To pray is to ask.
So in fact you DO pray 'to' others when you ask a prayer request 'to' (as in directed 'to' them in conversation).
I hate to break it to you, but each Christian is THE CHURCH. Jesus says so. We are the Tabernacle, the Holy Spirit lives in each of us. That is the church.
So if you want to debate that smaller issues that do not effect salvation are different, then that will be interesting. You will then have to prove that the Holy Spirit living in each believer is not guiding in Truth. The Holy Spirit is God, so then that God is imperfect.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?