The Islamic Civilization

[français]

The difference is one who reads to at lesat understand and one who doesnt and thinks he knows a lot.

Ok? Lol

Lately I have been defending Islam to my wits, because I am trying to change my ways. But it seems that every time I defend, and stick up for Muslims, showing peaceful Hadiths/Qu'ranic verses, they seem to get mad and say such remarks.

I do not understand...

 

[PassionFruit]

Ok? Lol

Lately I have been defending Islam to my wits, because I am trying to change my ways. But it seems that every time I defend, and stick up for Muslims, showing peaceful Hadiths/Qu'ranic verses, they seem to get mad and say such remarks.

I do not understand...

I think he was agreeing with you.

.......I think.

 

[beamishboy]

Beamishboy - You say Islam is all about fundamentalism.. Every day, I read one Juz of the Qu'ran and 3 books of the Hadith, because I am boring like that lol. I just started this little routine. Let me quote a Hadith I read yesterday..

The Prophet said, "Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded; and gain strength by worshipping in the mornings, the nights."
-- Book 2 # 31 of Sahih Bukhari.

Strangely, my experience is that it's always the European converts and the non-Muslims who come up with such quotations. The real Muslims in the Middle East think differently and they are the real scholars. Just look at the wahibbis. Where you find moderation in a hadith, a wahibbi can find you extremism in ten other parts of the Quran. The proof of the pudding - just look at what's happening in the world today. If it's all that peaceful and non-extremist, airport security and security in every building would not have been upped so drastically. I assure you the increase in security all round the world has nothing to do with any other religion. Please don't deny that. It wouldn't be honest.

 

[Futuwwa]

You know I'm quite sick of these threads, which religion is more dangerous/peaceful, or whatever. The bottom line is this, it seems that both religions, Islam and Christianity are capable of committing atrocities, but that's whats wrong with religion, you can use it to justify atrocities whether it's Christianity or Islam. It gets pointless, these religions can justify horrible acts. That's it!! So stop with saying that "oh Islam is this and that!!" Because to me Christianity is not better. It is just a capable and has the potential to carry out horrible acts. It does not matter to me whether it was done in the past, the fact of the matter is that

This is why I always look to the beliefs of the person, rather than what religion he (nominally) follows. It doesn't matter to me what the Bible says; what defines a "True Christian" is irrelevant to me, as I don't believe Christianity to be true in the first place. If a Christian wants peace and coexistence, he is a friend. If he wants to destroy Islam, he is an enemy.

That said, I do not have anything against the notion that Islam is the more militaristic of the two. I agree, in fact.

 

[Montalban]

Ok? Lol

Lately I have been defending Islam to my wits, because I am trying to change my ways. But it seems that every time I defend, and stick up for Muslims, showing peaceful Hadiths/Qu'ranic verses, they seem to get mad and say such remarks.

I do not understand...

For Moslems, you're still an infidel!

 

[Montalban]

This is why I always look to the beliefs of the person, rather than what religion he (nominally) follows.

Say what? LOL

It doesn't matter to me what the Bible says; what defines a "True Christian" is irrelevant to me, as I don't believe Christianity to be true in the first place. If a Christian wants peace and coexistence, he is a friend. If he wants to destroy Islam, he is an enemy.

Why's it matter given your first statement about there being a difference between a person and their faith?

That said, I do not have anything against the notion that Islam is the more militaristic of the two. I agree, in fact.

Still doesn't make sense, your opening statement

 

[Futuwwa]

Your post sense makes not.

 

[Montalban]

Your post sense makes not.

Cool. It's a reflection of you're own starting with this jem...

This is why I always look to the beliefs of the person, rather than what religion he (nominally) follows.

You look to their beliefs, rather than to their beliefs (religion)

Then after that non-sequiter you agree that Islam is more militant. How? If it's not followed by anyone ('cause they're all following 'their beliefs')

Why don't you do a little re-write of what it is you're trying to say.

Then I'll read it and comment (perhaps).

 

[peaceful soul]

This is why I always look to the beliefs of the person, rather than what religion he (nominally) follows. It doesn't matter to me what the Bible says; what defines a "True Christian" is irrelevant to me, as I don't believe Christianity to be true in the first place. If a Christian wants peace and coexistence, he is a friend. If he wants to destroy Islam, he is an enemy.

That said, I do not have anything against the notion that Islam is the more militaristic of the two. I agree, in fact.

Do you really know what you are saying?

 

[Futuwwa]

News flash: Not all Christians believe the same!

Does post #144 start to make more sense in the light of this stunning revelation?

 

[beamishboy]

News flash: Not all Christians believe the same!

Does post #144 start to make more sense in the light of this stunning revelation?

News flash: Not all Muslims believe the same either. At least this is something we devoutly hope for. It'd be unthinkable if all Muslims had the same interpretation of Islam as the wahibis which include Osama bin Laden.

 

[Secundulus]

News flash: Not all Christians believe the same!

Does post #144 start to make more sense in the light of this stunning revelation?

Yes, Christanity is acceptable as long as its willing to submit to the superiority of Islam.

I believe that comes from the Quran.

 

[Futuwwa]

Putting words into other peoples' mouths must be great fun.

 

[Secundulus]

Putting words into other peoples' mouths must be great fun.

Well, you did argue at one time for the superiority of Sharia which relegates Jews and Christians to dhimmitude.

 

[Futuwwa]

Sharia is a large concept.

 

[Secundulus]

Sharia is a large concept.

I believe you when you say that you believe it would be just and fair to all.

I simply remain skeptical because the historical examples and historical testimonies of both Muslim rulers and Christians seem to indicate that it always falls short of the ideal you propose.

I don't think that man can set up God's kingdom on earth. Only God can do that.

In those cases where the Christian Church has attempted this, they have also failed.

 

[français]

So what if the Shariah treats non Muslims a bit inferior.. The fact still remains.. Non Muslims still get the basic rights and the right to worship in their religion.

And, your Bible treats people as inferiors.. Look at the punishment for murder.. It is death in the Bible, BUT if one kills a slave, it is not death. Why so!!

You can not say an entire religion is bad because of a few concepts that you disagree with.