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Of course; you dont have to provide a reference; but your response is more than a little mysterious and evasive, and people naturally would wonder about the source of said material. It is not wrong to want to know what source a writer has used for a post, and this is not even a matter of whether or not the interview is right or wrong, it is a matter of providing people with all the available tools to do their own research. You have no good reason to object to that.Very well sir but if you cannot prove that
the Interview is not authentic, then I do
not have to prove that it is.
sky
Yes, I understand that this is how Kellogg and yourself sees the church, but this is not what I am asking about at all. I am not sure how much simpler I can make my question. I dont really care where it came from; I just want to know, period.If you are asking if the document has the "imprint" of
the General Conference, of course it does not, and it
does not need to. Have you not read that it is followiing
in the track of Romanism to demand that the members of
the church read nothing unless it has the "imprint"
(approval) of the leaders of the church?
Well; I guess you are not going to supply any specific or verifiable reference, but I suppose some progress has been made in that you have just admitted that the material is indeed anti-Adventist.I have no doubt whatsoever that the "testimonies" that
are alleged to be from Mrs. White denouncing Dr. Kellogg
as a pantheist did not come from God but from W.C. White,
Prescott, and A.G. Daniells. The Interview and the Appeal
prove this beyond any shadow orf a doubt. Now I do not
expext that even a minority of people will ever come to
understand this for the leaders of the church, wokring under
Satan's dictation (T.M.366) have already done their nefarious
work. I am only hoping that a few will take the time to read
this material and pray to God for guidance. It could mean
the difference between eternal life and eternal death.
Yes; it seems to me that this is what you are determined to do here on the forum. History is repeating itself right before our eyes."They were determined to bring the individuals
to their terms. They would rule or ruin. There
will be no material change until there is a decided
movement to bring in a different order of things."
T.M.360.
Do these words mean anything to us today?
The documents reveal nothing, for several reasons. You wont supply references, and in what you posted here on the subject, there are only adamant claims, without any proof whatsoever.These documents (The Interview with Dr. Kellogg
and The Appeal and Some History, Experience,
and Facts, by A.T. Jones) reveal that W.C. White
resorted to using the stamp with Mrs. White's
signature in the fabrications of "testimonies"
(fraud and guile) especially in regard to A.T.
Jones and Dr. Kellogg or any man standing in
the way of the new order of things.
There are in it sentiments that are entirely true, but these are mingled with error. Scriptures are taken out of their connection, and are used to uphold erroneous theories. {1SM 199.1}
Did you have your shoes off when you posted this?So let us be very careful here how we treat this most precious
message. Let us take off the shoes from off our feet for we
are on holy ground
sky
What documents show this? The alleged interview for which you refuse to give references for? Now you are just going around in circles. The three volumes of the books, Selected Messages, were written by Ellen White. It doesnt get any simpler than that. All I did is show people what she said.The documents clearly show that there was a conspiracy
against Dr. Kellogg involving W.C. White fabricating and
manipulating "testimonies" to bring men under the control
of men. These documents also show that Presscott, in a
meeting, quoted profusely from pantheistic authors and
then declared that this was what Dr. Kellogg was teaching
in The Living Temple and yet he could not quote anything
from the book itself to make his case.
Well; this clears one thing up. I have seen this sentiment on anti-Adventist web sites, and it is extra odd coming from you who accuses me of "hating the testimonies" to be making your own personal interpretations as to which of Ellen White's writings are "real" and which are not. Our church has seen this before, many times.I am not going around in circles at all.
Here is a perfect example of a "fabrication" (by those who had put God aside and accepted the devisings of men) of a letter allegedly written by Mrs White to A.T. Jones as a testimony from the Lord and published in the first volume of Selected Messages, p.377 which states that at the 1893 General Conference brother Jones' presentations on the subject of faith and works were confusing to the minds. In the same volume, page 130, Mrs. White there says the very opposite, that the messages given at the 1893 G.C. were from Heaven and states that the reason why there was confusion in many minds was because they did not live up to the blessings received.
Both testimonies can't be from the Lord. One of them has to be a fabrication.
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