the "Informed...consent"?

[sk8Joyful]

Recently a law was passed, such that patients need no longer be "informed"
re what drugs/substances are forced, or procedures done. Where?? was that recorded.

What IS, amongst many more, in this :o compulsory swine flu vaccine:
bacterial RNA or DNA parts,
various forms of aluminum,
Ammonium sulfate,
Amphotericin B
Human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Animal tissues: horse blood, rabbit brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney,
.......................chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg, pig blood, Calf (bovine) serum & fetal bovine serum
Formaldehyde,
Phenol red indicator,
Phenoxyethanol (antifreeze),
Potassium mono & diphosphate,
Polymyxin B,
Thimerosal (mercury) - a neurotoxin, still is in all flu vaccines at toxic doses.

School children, who have never had a flu shot, are targeted for 4 shots =
(multiple different LIVE flu virus vaccines simultaneously) this fall -
twice for seasonal flu, twice for pandemic swine flu. (7/15/9 news).

How :o are you protecting yourself & family?
.

 

[Jade Margery]

This post is incredibly difficult to understand. Care to sum it up in english?

By the way, as I understand from history/science classes, the polio vaccine was pulled off the market because it was so effective at eliminating polio that the small number of cases when the vaccine did cause it outnumbered the naturally contracted cases. Obviously, in America at least, nobody gets polio anymore, so that would make the vaccine a great success.

So, the most I can gather from your post is you think vaccines are bad but you don't know as much about them as you think you do. Perhaps you could illustrate your point better somehow?

 

[chingchang]

How :o are you protecting yourself & family?
.

At this point...it appears that the vaccine will NOT be mandatory for ANY age group. They will...of course...try to intimidate as many people as possible through fear...to get the shot. If you have information that indicates the vaccine will be mandatory...please post it.

TIA,
CC

 

[wanderingone]

Over 2 years ago,
at work over 400 staff were 'inserviced' about "flu pandemics occurring in the foreseeable future".
Only a few of us bothered to ask: How can anyone know, with any certainty, that in fact such disasters will, unfailing, become reality?
Chilling response: the process is already underway...

What process? The process to make sure flu pandemics are a certainty? P

Today (8/12/9), 8 US-cities start vaccinating almost 3000 'subjects':
1. Atlanta, Ga: Emory University hospital
2. University of Iowa hospital
3. University of Maryland School of Medicine hospital
4. Missouri: St. Louis University hospital
5. Cincinnati, Ohio: Children’s (hospital) Medical Center
6. Texas: Baylor College of Medicine, hospital
7. Nashville, Tenn: Vanderbilt University hospital
8. Seattle: Group Health Cooperative...

Are you referring to the testing for a swine flu vaccine? You seem to be implying the vaccine testing is the way that the pandemic is certain?

Recently i understand, a law was passed, such that patients need no longer be "informed"
re what drugs/substances they are getting, or procedures performed. - Where is that recorded?

Which patients for what procedures? Those who volunteer to test medicines, vaccines etc?

also
How many of these almost 3000, starting this federal mass-immunizations campaign, have been informed?

What "federal" mass immunization campaign?

School children, who have never had a flu shot, are targeted for 4 shots (multiple different live flu virus vaccines simultaneously) this fall - twice for seasonal flu, twice for pandemic swine flu. (July 15, 2009 news).

What news? What school districts?

How :o are you protecting yourself & family?
.

From what?:
The flu? Which flu?
The vaccines? Which vaccines?


As for mass hysteria, I protect my family by making sure they know to look for sources, consider the source and remember to laugh a lot at most news sources.

 

[wanderingone]

I think you should link to the blog your post came from.. or is it your blog?

 

[ReverendDG]

I think you should link to the blog your post came from.. or is it your blog?

i agree, the OP is just one big c+p from somewhere else without any links to the source.

 

[sk8Joyful]

I think you should
link to the blog your post came from.. or is it your blog?

BEFORE you have any facts, do you always tell people what 'you think' they "should"?, and
beyond that oversight,
do you always make assumptions?, instead of participating in honest questions asked,
in this case "How :o are you protecting yourself & family?"
---
In response, what I wrote did not come from a "blog", either someone else's or mine, as I keep no blogs.
---
Back to this question once again: "How :o are you protecting yourself & family?"

 

[revanneosl]

I think you should link to the blog your post came from.. or is it your blog?

BEFORE you have any facts, do you always tell people what 'you think' they "should"?, and beyond that oversight,
do you always make assumptions?, instead of participating in honest questions asked,
in this case "How :o are you protecting yourself & family?"
---
In response, what I wrote did not come from a "blog", either someone else's or mine, as I keep no blogs. <staff edit>

Here's the source:
SWINE FLU VACCINE: A RECIPE FOR DISASTER

 

[Phylogeny]

I'd recommend the OP get the flu instead given his/her fear of the vaccine. It's not that bad. Just three weeks of aches and pain.

Btw, did you know that aspirin can cause hepatoencephalopathy in children? Or that penicillin can cause your skin to burn off? My preceptor told me that they had patients in the burn unit suffering from reaction against penicillin. All drugs have possible side effect, includign death but if the chances of dying from disease A is 1/1000 and the chance of dying form vaccine is 1/1,000,000 then you are still far better off getting the shot than not.

As for having bacterial/viral antigens in vaccines----that's how most vaccines work: they shot you with dead/weakened bugs to elicit your immune response so that your body learns how to kill it when the real thing comes. Fever and other constitutional symptoms may appear briefly. Still beats a week in the ICU because you caught the disease.

Btw, don't freak out too much about bugs in your system. The human body has tons of bacteria in the human digestive tract (how'd you think you got most of your Vit K?). Plus most of us have bugs around our oral/genital openings. Take a microbiology course to learn more.

 

[ReverendDG]

Btw, don't freak out too much about bugs in your system. The human body has tons of bacteria in the human digestive tract (how'd you think you got most of your Vit K?). Plus most of us have bugs around our oral/genital openings. Take a microbiology course to learn more.

also on the outside of our bodies as well.
i got cellulitis and we think its from foot fungus cracking the skin. strep is pretty much everywhere and is pretty nasty still, but everyone has had strep throat or known someone who has it. strep is basically cellulitis of the throat

 

[tulc]

How :o are you protecting yourself & family?

By everyone getting vaccinated.
tulc(it's the only way to be safe)

 

[wanderingone]

Here's the source:
SWINE FLU VACCINE: A RECIPE FOR DISASTER

I know... and it's a blog site - at least that's the reason it won't come up at my worksite...

They're not very good at explaining their own sources either... which is helpful when trying to make head or tails out of long long babbling. Maybe the OP can answer my questions about her post from my first post <staff edit>

 

[sk8Joyful]

How :o are you protecting yourself & family?

By everyone getting vaccinated.
tulc
(it's the only way to be safe)

Thanks -
for stating your personal opinion; and
on the contrary, 'vaccination' is not the only-way to be safe!

 

[Psudopod]

for stating your personal opinion; and
on the contrary, 'vaccination' is not the only-way to be safe!

Vaccination was how smallpox was eliminated. We were well on the way to wiping out polio too. I believe the figures for measles deaths in the 3rd world were 90,000 less than previously thanks to vaccination.

It probably won't be possibly to wipe out every infection with vaccination, but there's no reason not to get rid of the ones we can.

 

[sk8Joyful]

How :o are you protecting yourself & family?

At this point...it appears
that the vaccine will NOT be mandatory for ANY age group.

They will...of course...try to intimidate as many people as possible through fear...to get the shot.
If you have information that indicates the vaccine will be mandatory...please post it.
TIA,
CC

And so the force begins---
1. Charleston Daily Mail - West Virginia News and Sports - News - CAMC will require flu shots
Wednesday August 26, 2009
CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- "All CAMC Health System workers must get vaccinated by Dec. 15, or their employment will be terminated, CAMC said in its August newsletter Vital Signs."

2. $1000 Per Day Fine And 30 Days In Jail For Refusing The Swine Flu Vaccine In Massachusetts? | Bird Flu Pandemic
"A new law just passed in Massachusetts imposes fines of up to $1000 per day and up to a 30 day jail sentence for not obeying authorities."
Senate Bill, No. 2028

Authorities, all over the globe, are gearing up for the biggest vaccination campaign in history.
---
Here's another thing: Operation Fax To Stop The Vax ? KOPYME
"So,
when they put me and 100's of 1000's of others in jail, what do you think will be the effect on the states tax revenues? When we lose our jobs? How about the millions owned, to banks that are now owned by the government. When I am bankrupted those debts will go bad. The state will fail, the banks will fail.
I though, will still be alive and healthy unlike those that were intimidated into taking the vaccine. Look, it is common knowledge that they cannot produce an effective flu vaccine. They are worthless. The chances of them choosing the correct strain and anticipating natural genetic shifts in the flu virus are too great. The vaccine will be ineffective at best, and intentionally deadly.
There will be immense numbers of people refusing it. With idiots in control, we are headed for a revolution..."


How :o are you protecting yourself & family?

 

[Psudopod]

I just read the comments on that second article. I had no idea people had that little understanding.

"ZOMG it's a gomint plot to kill all us peasants and the who released the virus to create the new world order!!!!!!"

There must be a shortage of tinfoil hats over there.

Meanwhile, while programs are not hindered by mass hysteria, vaccination is saving lives and working to eliminate nasty diseases.

 

[sk8Joyful]

vaccination
is saving lives and working to eliminate nasty diseases.

you don't say

in light of 1000's of Medical-doctors, like:
1. Internacional Medical Veritas Association ::
and
2. Dr. Len Horowitz, M.D.
Dr. Horowitz - Aids, Ebola, Vaccines, Tetrahedron.com
and
3. Dr. Josepha Mercola, M.D.
How To Legally Avoid Unwanted Immunizations Of All Kinds
educating their clients as well as the rest of the people, as to grim FACTS to the contrary...
incld.
4. [FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Federal Admission of Vaccine Risks, via DATABASE:
[/FONT]Every year, the FDA receives 1000's of reports of adverse reactions after vaccines, inclg. brain damage and death.
VAERS Database. (start with a basic search.)
ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute:
and
5. actual Cases, as examples: parent of ADEM survivor
August 25th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
In January of 2001, my 22 year old son had a flu shot. Within a week he was in a coma and totally paralyzed &#8211;
see Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis (ADEM).
After 2-1/2 months in ICU and an additional 4-1/2 months in rehab,
he was able to come home. Today he plays quad rugby, and lives in a fully handicap accessible house &#8211; all because of a flu shot.
What&#8217;s happening in response to the swine flu is frightening."

Need I not repeat: what you claimed, is patently false!!!
.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

Sounds along the lines of those who believe that seat belts, riding helmets and child seats are not required becuase of the possiblity of being killed in accidents due to their uses.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Sounds
along the lines of those who believe that seat belts, riding helmets and child seats are not required becuase of the possiblity of being killed in accidents due to their uses.

You're welcome to post about "seat belts, riding helmets and child seats" in your own thread. -
This thread is about
Society > Ethics & Morality > to vaccinations the "Informed...consent"?

 

[sk8Joyful]

the most I can gather from your post is you think vaccines are bad but you don't know as much about them as you think you do.

Perhaps you could illustrate your point better somehow?

What about my OP did you fail to understand?