LDS The Infallibility of the Prophets

[Leaf473]

Do a search to find out if wearing linen and wool are against LDS church standards.

What do I search? What database?

 

[He is the way]

Was Smith's "translation" complete? How do you know he translated everything that was wrong? What if there were more than just those 2 commandments to be saved?

You can go on with your what ifs all you want, but Jesus made it abundantly clear all through the Bible that we are to keep the commandments of LOVE and do good throughout the entire Bible, even the Old Testament:

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[He is the way]

What do I search? What database?

Try this:
wearing linen and wool together - Google Search

 

[Leaf473]

Most of the Bible is correct.

Is that the official LDS position, that most of the KJV is translated correctly?

Joseph Smith's translation of the Bible makes NO correction to these verses so they must be correct.

If Joseph didn't correct a verse, then it is translated correctly in the KJV, according to the LDS view.

Am I understanding that correctly?

 

[BigDaddy4]

You can go on with your what ifs all you want, but Jesus made it abundantly clear all through the Bible that we are to keep the commandments of LOVE and do good throughout the entire Bible, even the Old Testament:

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

I'm not the one who brings doubt on the authenticity of the Word of God. That is the LDS. You said it yourself in the 2 quotes of yours I provided.

Additionally, you're church brings about doubt that not everything was "translated" by JS.

Joseph Smith Translation (JST)
Although the major portion of the work was completed by July 1833, he continued to make modifications while preparing a manuscript for the press until his death in 1844, and it is possible that some additional modifications would have been made had he lived to publish the entire work.

So you can go on about my "what ifs" all you want, but, as usual, you are just avoiding answering the question. Your default LOVE answer just doesn't cut it.

 

[Leaf473]

Jesus Christ made it clear that those who keep these two commandments will have life eternal:

Are those the only two we have to be concerned with?

For example, during a temple recommend interview when a person is asked if they are a full-tithe payer, can they respond by saying that they are not concerned with that, but that they keep the two greatest commandments to the best of their ability and understanding?

 

[Leaf473]

Try this:
wearing linen and wool together - Google Search

Lol! My impression from your response is that you don't have an answer, and that's fine.

My impression also at this point is that LDS have a vague sense that there are a lot of commandments they are supposed to follow, but they can't really say for sure what those commandments are. If you wish to give me more information on that subject, I invite you to do so. And if you wish to be done with this part of our discussion, that's okay, too!

 

[He is the way]

Is that the official LDS position, that most of the KJV is translated correctly?


If Joseph didn't correct a verse, then it is translated correctly in the KJV, according to the LDS view.

Am I understanding that correctly?

Yes and yes.

 

[He is the way]

I'm not the one who brings doubt on the authenticity of the Word of God. That is the LDS. You said it yourself in the 2 quotes of yours I provided.

Additionally, you're church brings about doubt that not everything was "translated" by JS.

Joseph Smith Translation (JST)
Although the major portion of the work was completed by July 1833, he continued to make modifications while preparing a manuscript for the press until his death in 1844, and it is possible that some additional modifications would have been made had he lived to publish the entire work.

So you can go on about my "what ifs" all you want, but, as usual, you are just avoiding answering the question. Your default LOVE answer just doesn't cut it.

So you can live your life the way God desires you to live it, or, if different, you can live your life any way you want to live it. You can keep the commandments of LOVE or neglect them. I assume you know right from wrong, good from evil. You are free to choose your own destination. As for LOVE, God is LOVE and His commandments are all about LOVE. We are here to learn to LOVE as Jesus LOVED:

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:11 - 13)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

 

[He is the way]

Are those the only two we have to be concerned with?

For example, during a temple recommend interview when a person is asked if they are a full-tithe payer, can they respond by saying that they are not concerned with that, but that they keep the two greatest commandments to the best of their ability and understanding?

Those who keep the two greatest commandments would LOVE God enough to NOT rob Him:

(Old Testament | Malachi 3:8)

8 ¶ Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

 

[He is the way]

Lol! My impression from your response is that you don't have an answer, and that's fine.

My impression also at this point is that LDS have a vague sense that there are a lot of commandments they are supposed to follow, but they can't really say for sure what those commandments are. If you wish to give me more information on that subject, I invite you to do so. And if you wish to be done with this part of our discussion, that's okay, too!

I already said I didn't know what the LDS stance was on wearing both wool and linen.

 

[Leaf473]

Those who keep the two greatest commandments would LOVE God enough to NOT rob Him:

(Old Testament | Malachi 3:8)

8 ¶ Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

It sounds like that in LDS thinking, the two greatest commandments "decompress" into many other commandments, such as the commandment to tithe.

I think that by that same reasoning, one would also not wear clothes of linen and wool mixed together.

 

[Leaf473]

I already said I didn't know what the LDS stance was on wearing both wool and linen.

Well, here's a slightly different way to approach it. Have you ever heard an LDS leader, say bishop or above, talk about not wearing linen and will mixed together?


if we take the logic that adultery is against the two greatest commandments because there is a commandment against adultery, then it follows that if there is a commandment against wearing linen and wool that one would also not do that. Did Joseph translate this part differently?
Deuteronomy 22:11 You shall not wear a mixed stuff, wool and linen together.


Here's another interesting commandment right next to it
12 You shall make yourselves fringes on the four borders of your cloak, with which you cover yourself.

 

[He is the way]

It sounds like that in LDS thinking, the two greatest commandments "decompress" into many other commandments, such as the commandment to tithe.

I think that by that same reasoning, one would also not wear clothes of linen and wool mixed together.

Yes you are correct, these two commandments help us understand right from wrong. Kind of like the difference between selfish and selfless:

(New Testament | Matthew 22:36 - 40)

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[He is the way]

Well, here's a slightly different way to approach it. Have you ever heard an LDS leader, say bishop or above, talk about not wearing linen and will mixed together?


if we take the logic that adultery is against the two greatest commandments because there is a commandment against adultery, then it follows that if there is a commandment against wearing linen and wool that one would also not do that. Did Joseph translate this part differently?
Deuteronomy 22:11 You shall not wear a mixed stuff, wool and linen together.


Here's another interesting commandment right next to it
12 You shall make yourselves fringes on the four borders of your cloak, with which you cover yourself.

You said: "if we take the logic that adultery is against the two greatest commandments because there is a commandment against adultery, then it follows that if there is a commandment against wearing linen and wool that one would also not do that."
The commandments are about LOVE. Adultery is NOT love, it is selfishness. In David's case adultery led to murder. That which is against love is also against God because God is LOVE.

Some commandments are more important than others. Lesser ones do not get the same air time so to speak. I do not think anyone is saying that people should wear linen and wool together or make fringes on the four borders of a cloak. Jesus said:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:18 - 20)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Leaf473]

Yes you are correct, these two commandments help us understand right from wrong. Kind of like the difference between selfish and selfless:

(New Testament | Matthew 22:36 - 40)

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Using the same approach, do LDS follow this commandment as well? It definitely involves showing love for another person, a widow, in the sense of taking care of a woman who has no husband or sons.

Deuteronomy 25:5 If brothers dwell together, and one of them die, and have no son, the wife of the dead shall not be married outside to a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in to her, and take her to him as wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her. 6 It shall be, that the firstborn whom she bears shall succeed in the name of his brother who is dead, that his name not be blotted out of Israel. 7 If the man doesn't want to take his brother's wife, then his brother's wife shall go up to the gate to the elders, and say, "My husband's brother refuses to raise up to his brother a name in Israel; he will not perform the duty of a husband's brother to me." 8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak to him: and if he stand, and say, "I don't want to take her;" 9 then his brother's wife shall come to him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face; and she shall answer and say, "So shall it be done to the man who does not build up his brother's house." 10 His name shall be called in Israel, The house of him who has his shoe untied.

 

[Leaf473]

He is the way,

In this post, I ask about Woodruff's guarantee and whether it would apply to Peter.

LDS - The Infallibility of the Prophets

The reason I ask is because of this passage

Galatians 2:11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I resisted him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before some people came from James, he ate with the Gentiles. But when they came, he drew back and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews joined him in his hypocrisy; so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they didn't walk uprightly according to the truth of the Good News, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live as the Gentiles do, and not as the Jews do, why do you compel the Gentiles to live as the Jews do?

 

[He is the way]

Using the same approach, do LDS follow this commandment as well? It definitely involves showing love for another person, a widow, in the sense of taking care of a woman who has no husband or sons.

Deuteronomy 25:5 If brothers dwell together, and one of them die, and have no son, the wife of the dead shall not be married outside to a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in to her, and take her to him as wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her. 6 It shall be, that the firstborn whom she bears shall succeed in the name of his brother who is dead, that his name not be blotted out of Israel. 7 If the man doesn't want to take his brother's wife, then his brother's wife shall go up to the gate to the elders, and say, "My husband's brother refuses to raise up to his brother a name in Israel; he will not perform the duty of a husband's brother to me." 8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak to him: and if he stand, and say, "I don't want to take her;" 9 then his brother's wife shall come to him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face; and she shall answer and say, "So shall it be done to the man who does not build up his brother's house." 10 His name shall be called in Israel, The house of him who has his shoe untied.

This law was for the house of Israel. If the husband's brother was already married or if the husband had no brother, what would be the outcome? Today we are held responsible for our families and our extended families. We are obligated to support them in their needs. Not only our families but also our neighbors and their families according to our abilities to help them. God does not want us to despise the poor and needy? He loves them as much as He loves all of His children. There are NO second class people. That being said there those who LOVE God and those who don't:

(New Testament | Matthew 25:40)

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

 

[He is the way]

He is the way,

In this post, I ask about Woodruff's guarantee and whether it would apply to Peter.

LDS - The Infallibility of the Prophets

The reason I ask is because of this passage

Galatians 2:11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I resisted him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before some people came from James, he ate with the Gentiles. But when they came, he drew back and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews joined him in his hypocrisy; so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they didn't walk uprightly according to the truth of the Good News, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live as the Gentiles do, and not as the Jews do, why do you compel the Gentiles to live as the Jews do?

Prophets are not perfect, that being said we have to listen to the promptings of the Holy Ghost. I have listened to those promptings my self and He has verified to me the truth of the words of the prophets. The prophets have taught us the value of honesty, charity, love, work, virtue, humility, obedience, benevolence, kindness, thankfulness, etc. These things have become of great importance to me in my life. Paul was correct in saying that salvation is through Jesus Christ.

 

[He is the way]

He is the way,

In this post, I ask about Woodruff's guarantee and whether it would apply to Peter.

LDS - The Infallibility of the Prophets

The reason I ask is because of this passage

Galatians 2:11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I resisted him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before some people came from James, he ate with the Gentiles. But when they came, he drew back and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews joined him in his hypocrisy; so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they didn't walk uprightly according to the truth of the Good News, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live as the Gentiles do, and not as the Jews do, why do you compel the Gentiles to live as the Jews do?

Thank you for your questions and conversations. I believe that Peter's going to the gentiles was explained in Acts chapters 10 & 11. That being said we are all God's children although some have turned away and unfortunately some have rejected Him completely.