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philN said:
Do you have AIM? I could try to send you some stuff to hold you over for a while.

I say try because my school's network sometimes doesn't let us send stuff and sometime it does. So it may or may not work.

I would man, but my internet speed is disaterously slow :mad: ...zip and email maybe?
 
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The 'indie' term is so broad that you might find you get into certain styles a lot more than others. For example, I like the folky artists (Sufjan/Devendra Banhart/Joanna Newsom/Iron and Wine) quite a bit (probably more than most), but I can't really get into Pavement like everyone else seems to. I agree that Radiohead is a good place to start though. I'd reccommend "OK Computer" first, and then "The Bends" or "Kid A".
 
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The 'indie' term is so broad that you might find you get into certain styles a lot more than others. For example, I like the folky artists (Sufjan/Devendra Banhart/Joanna Newsom/Iron and Wine) quite a bit (probably more than most), but I can't really get into Pavement like everyone else seems to. I agree that Radiohead is a good place to start though. I'd reccommend "OK Computer" first, and then "The Bends" or "Kid A".

So is there technically a definition of "indie"?
 
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philN said:
Here's a list of fifteen recent indie albums that you may want to look into (this might be easier to handle than a massive list of bands). All of these should be pretty readily available at any indie record store and most major chains:

1. Radiohead - OK Computer
2. Neutral Milk Hotel - In An Aeroplane Over The Sea
3. Ween - The Mollusk
4. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
5. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
6. Broken Social Scene - You Forgot It In People
7. New Pornographers - Mass Romantic
8. Modest Mouse - Moon & Antartica
9. Pedro the Lion - It's Hard To Find A Friend or Control or Achilles Heel
10. Beck - Odelay
11. Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear The Heart Beating As One
12. Why? - Elephant Eyelash
13. Manitoba - Up In Flames
14. The Decemberists - Her Majesty The Decemberists
15. The Avalanches - Since I Left You
This list is approved by me :thumbsup:

Also, for the record, I despise the term "indie", seeing as it doesn't really mean what it originally meant and for some reason encompasses all bands between Franz Ferdinand and Interpol.

Frustrating, yes.
 
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Back in the 80's the term "indie" often refered to bands that had the "independent" punk mentality but still embraced the aesthetics of pop. In fact, indie used be more implicit of indie-pop and twee-type music (probably the most famous of which are Belle & Sebastian and Television Personalities). It wasn't until bands that fit into the whole indie-pop sort of category began adding more rock influence that the term began to expand and get more ambiguous.

Most indie rock bands today are heavily influenced by new wave and dancy rock. In fact, most bands that are all the rage in indie music are little more than derivatives of older bands that people have forgotten about. Interpol is basically an updated Joy Division; Franz Ferdinand/Bloc Party/The Futureheads/et cetera all sound like Gang of Four with some Television mixed in.

The term is pretty loose now. Basically "indie" music is defined by what indie music fans listen to. And indie music fans are basically anyone who likes strong melodies and pop sensibilities too much to immerse themselves in the punk/hardcore scene and like creativity and originality too much to become immersed entirely in radio pop. That said, because indie music is defined by what indie-kids listen to, it is quite possible for radio pop artists and crusty punk bands alike to gain indie appeal in certain situations. I like to think of indie as a moderate view in music; indie-kids are the ones that like to dress differently, but not cover themselves in studs and safety pins; musically, the genre usually borrows the good elements from both extremes (and often into other genres as well, as hip-hop is pretty popular in indie circles too).

There is a lot of subjectivity involved and not really any concrete definitions about what is and is not indie.
 
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philN said:
Back in the 80's the term "indie" often refered to bands that had the "independent" punk mentality but still embraced the aesthetics of pop. In fact, indie used be more implicit of indie-pop and twee-type music (probably the most famous of which are Belle & Sebastian and Television Personalities). It wasn't until bands that fit into the whole indie-pop sort of category began adding more rock influence that the term began to expand and get more ambiguous.

Most indie rock bands today are heavily influenced by new wave and dancy rock. In fact, most bands that are all the rage in indie music are little more than derivatives of older bands that people have forgotten about. Interpol is basically an updated Joy Division; Franz Ferdinand/Bloc Party/The Futureheads/et cetera all sound like Gang of Four with some Television mixed in.

The term is pretty loose now. Basically "indie" music is defined by what indie music fans listen to. And indie music fans are basically anyone who likes strong melodies and pop sensibilities too much to immerse themselves in the punk/hardcore scene and like creativity and originality too much to become immersed entirely in radio pop. That said, because indie music is defined by what indie-kids listen to, it is quite possible for radio pop artists and crusty punk bands alike to gain indie appeal in certain situations. I like to think of indie as a moderate view in music; indie-kids are the ones that like to dress differently, but not cover themselves in studs and safety pins; musically, the genre usually borrows the good elements from both extremes (and often into other genres as well, as hip-hop is pretty popular in indie circles too).

There is a lot of subjectivity involved and not really any concrete definitions about what is and is not indie.

...and I always thought you guys were talking about "Indi"ana??? :scratch:
 
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I listened to "Twin Cinema" straight through today and realized how good it is. I think I'm putting it at either #2 or #3 for 2005.

On a non-indie note, how good is Clarity? The only Jimmy Eat World album I have is Bleed American, but everyone seems to like Clarity better. Any opinions?
 
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Twin Cinema = #2 on my list. I love it.

Yeah, it didn't take Sufjan more than a day to put a lock on #1 (in my list), and no one since has come close to topping him, IMO. I'm debating whether 'Twin Cinema' or 'The Milk of Human Kindness' should be #2. It's hard to judge because they're so different.

Hmm..."Pelican Narrows" or "The Bleeding Heart Show"? This is too hard.

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I like Clarity. I also like Bleed American. And I also like a few scattered moments of Futures. Then again, I probably lost what little credibility I had by admitting to those last two.

I thought "Pain" (or "Takes My Pain Away"...whatever the devil it's called) was a pretty solid single. I'll check out 'Clarity'.
 
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I'm debating whether 'Twin Cinema' or 'The Milk of Human Kindness' should be #2. It's hard to judge because they're so different.

Eh, personally I'd go for Twin Cinema. Caribou is good (probably somewhere in my top ten), but Twin Cinema just seemed like a better album. Which reminds me...at some point in the next month or so, I need to get my top 10(15/20/57 whichever I come up with) list done.

I do know that Sufjan is the top of my list (He'll be an old grizzled man though, by the time he gets to doing Georgia :sigh: )
 
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I still really like that Caribou album, but there have been a number of records that I have liked more this year now that I think of it. I also think I like Manitoba's Up In Flames more than Caribou.


In other news:

The Mysterious Production of Eggs is starting to grow on my some more.
The first half of the new Animal Collective is ridiculously good.
Art Brut is very fun.
I love Neko Case's vocals on A Letter From An Occupant
Stephen Malkmus' Face the Truth is really underrated.
Why?'s Gemini (Birthday Song) is one of the catchiest songs I've heard this year.
Antony & the Johnsons is one of my top five albums of the year for sure
This year has been pretty good for music.
Splinter just said I was a real ninja for beating Turtles In Time on the hardest setting.
Curb Your Enthusiasm is my new addiction
Fox is stupid for cancelling Arrested Development
Dunkaroos are God's gift to man.

That is all.
 
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I still really like that Caribou album, but there have been a number of records that I have liked more this year now that I think of it. I also think I like Manitoba's Up In Flames more than Caribou.

Yeah, I guess I'm just a sucker for "Pelican Narrows" and "Lord Leopard".

philN said:
The Mysterious Production of Eggs is starting to grow on my some more.

Yes. In addition to "A Nervous Tic Motion of the Head to the Left", I really like "My Skin Is" and "MX Missiles".

philN said:
Why?'s Gemini (Birthday Song) is one of the catchiest songs I've heard this year.

When was that released? I didn't know they had anything out other than "Elephant Eyelash".

philN said:
Antony & the Johnsons is one of my top five albums of the year for sure.

Yeah, like McDonald's, I'm loving it. "Man is the Baby" might be my favorite off that disc.

philN said:
This year has been pretty good for music.

Not too bad, I guess. I think I prefer last year though, considering "The Milk-Eyed Mender", "Good News", "Seven Swans", "A Grand Don't Come For Free", "Sung Tongs", and "Our Endless Numbered Days" were all released, IIRC.

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Splinter just said I was a real ninja for beating Turtles In Time on the hardest setting..

One of my favorite games for SNES. Donatello was the best character, with Leonardo as a close second.

philN said:
Fox is stupid for cancelling Arrested Development.

Yes.

philN said:
Dunkaroos are God's gift to man.

I always wanted Dunkaroos growing up, but my mom would never buy them for me. I didn't know that they were still sold. Let's see her try and stop me now.
 
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When was that released? I didn't know they had anything out other than "Elephant Eyelash".
He has another album that is alright. I foget what it's called. It's like Oaklandazulasylum or something like that.

He also has some EPs that are pretty good.

Gemini (Birthday Song) is on elephant eyelash.
 
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It should be the sixth track. I just checked my computer and it was in the file I put on your cd, so you should have it. If it is mislabeled, it's the only song that is 5:27, but I'm not sure how that could have happened.

Eh, I won't pretend I'm tech savvy, I could have just screwed something up.
 
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