The Inconvenient Truth Many Pro-Lifers Don’t Want to Face

[Not David]

*The article is not Pro-Choice at all!*
192. The Inconvenient Truth Many Pro-Lifers Don’t Want to Face - The Cor Project

A friend shared this article with me. Even though it is Roman Catholic, I found it interesting, especially since the Orthodox Church also does not believe in contraception.

Can Orthodox friends share their opinion? Here is a small part:

"The Christian vision of sexuality as understood throughout the ages can be summarized very simply: marriage, sex, and babies belong together … and in that order. In his loving design, God has united these three realities in a tight knot to reveal in our flesh the truth of his own eternal covenant love and Fatherhood. Contraception not only loosens the knot of this fundamental and society-ordering nexus, it cuts the ties."

 

[Phronema]

Interesting read, thank you for sharing.

FWIW it seemed on point to me.

 

[Albion]

There are many truths in that article, but I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why a recitation of them should be described as "The Inconvenient Truth Many Pro-Lifers Don’t Want to Face."

 

[Platina]

I didn't read the whole article yet, but I completely agree with the part you quoted.

 

[Not David]

There are many truths in that article, but I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why a recitation of them should be described as "The Inconvenient Truth Many Pro-Lifers Don’t Want to Face."

Well, as part of my Pro-life group, some of them don't undestand the link between abortion and contraception.

 

[Albion]

Well, as part of my Pro-life group, some of them don't undestand the link between abortion and contraception.

How would their view of the morality of killing babies be changed if they were to read any of that article, do you think?

 

[zippy2006]

There are many truths in that article, but I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why a recitation of them should be described as "The Inconvenient Truth Many Pro-Lifers Don’t Want to Face."

The article is implying that many pro-lifers not only overlook a fundamental cause of the abortion culture, they themselves are often at fault for furthering that cause.

How would their view of the morality of killing babies be changed if they were to read any of that article, do you think?

The article is not trying to convince anyone that abortion is bad. The idea that abortion is bad is taken for granted by the writer and presumed reader. The article is trying to convince the reader that contraception is strongly related to abortion.

 

[James4Christ 777]

I often wonder if we allow too much economia concerning Contraceptives in Orthodox Churches here in the states. I been doing a lot of research, and it wasn't always like that.

 

[Knee V]

I would disagree that contraception is the driving force behind abortion. I believe that abortion should be legal, it should be safe, it should be available and it should be the woman’s informed choice but most important of all --- it should be rare. In conclusion, we should always keep in mind that there are no more powerful abortifacients in the world than poverty and ignorance.

When it is legal and available, it will never be rare.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I don't think contraception is really the issue. I think it's our distorted view of what sex is that's the problem.

if we had an correct understanding of what sex is and why we have it, nobody would be having an abortion by choice, no matter what the law would say.

 

[Knee V]

Well, as part of my Pro-life group, some of them don't undestand the link between abortion and contraception.

Even if there is no absolute causal relationship between them, the same worldview that produces one produces the other. It the same ethos of death, sterility and love of pleasure that they both spring from.

 

[zippy2006]

"Aslan," said Lucy, "you're bigger."
"That is because you are older, little one," answered he.
"Not because you are?"
"I am not. But every year you grow, you will find me bigger."

Oh, I like the quote in your signature!

Even if there is no absolute causal relationship between them, the same worldview that produces one produces the other. It the same ethos of death, sterility and love of pleasure that they both spring from.

...and yes, I think the correlation argument is stronger on the level of worldview or culture.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Even if there is no absolute causal relationship between them, the same worldview that produces one produces the other. It the same ethos of death, sterility and love of pleasure that they both spring from.

yup

 

[Albion]

The article is implying that many pro-lifers not only overlook a fundamental cause of the abortion culture, they themselves are often at fault for furthering that cause.

The abortion culture is caused by the throwaway culture we live in. If you are inconvenienced, you are entitled to get out from under that condition.

It's just as the slogan which ends with that disclaimer ("it should be rare") states.

What it means is that the one seeking an abortion knows that it's not good to do but so long as they also stipulate that much...then their own abortion becomes moral.

The article is not trying to convince anyone that abortion is bad.

I think that's fair to say, but the headline to this thread suggested that the topic was something else.

 

[zippy2006]

The abortion culture is caused by the throwaway culture we live in. If you are inconvenienced, you are entitled to get out from under that condition.

It's just as the slogan which ends with that disclaimer ("it should be rare") states.

What it means is that the one seeking an abortion knows that it's not good to do but so long as they also stipulate that much...then their own abortion becomes moral.

It's a complicated problem with lots of different factors and causes. The throwaway culture is one. The sexually permissive culture is another. Contraceptive mentalities contribute to the latter.

While we are on the topic, I would say that another key factor is the idea that actions do not have consequences, or that the bad consequences of certain actions can be erased or ignored.

I think that's fair to say, but the headline to this thread suggested that the topic was something else.

The title makes sense according to Catholic logic, and it also applies in a particular way to Catholics.

 

[Albion]

The title makes sense according to Catholic logic, and it also applies in a particular way to Catholics.

Maybe you should explain that a bit. To me, the article makes a number of points about the world we live in (which both of us commented on in our posts), but while those points are true as they describe our society, I don't see how recognizing that means pro-life people find all of that to be "inconvenient" themselves or that they don't want to "face it!"

If anything, they already know it but also recognize that it changes nothing. A life is still a life, no matter what factors in society are at work cheapening the respect for life that most people once had.

 

[zippy2006]

Maybe you should explain that a bit.

In the Catholic understanding contraception and abortion are very much related. Therefore people who oppose abortion and support contraception are avoiding an "inconvenient truth," and many Catholics do avoid this truth.

To me, the article makes a number of points about the world we live in (which both of us commented on in our posts), but while those points are true as they describe our society, I don't see how recognizing that means pro-life people find all of that to be "inconvenient" themselves or that they don't want to "face it!"

The idea is that, "Many pro-lifers do not want to face the inconvenient truth that abortion is related to contraception because they themselves contracept." ...Or because they themselves support contraception, etc. That is what the title of the article is getting at.

 

[Albion]

In the Catholic understanding contraception and abortion are very much related.

Contraception and abortion are related no matter which church a person attends, or none at all, for that matter.

It looks to me that this line from the article is closer to the point--
"In the final analysis, there is only one reason we have abortion: because people who are not open to life are engaging in the behavior designed precisely to generate it."

Therefore, people who oppose abortion and support contraception are avoiding an "inconvenient truth," and many Catholics do avoid this truth.

IMO, the article is meant for a Catholic audience--obviously--but it is not directing its fire at Catholics in particular.

Anyway, I appreciated our mini-discussion.

 

[zippy2006]

Contraception and abortion are related no matter which church a person attends, or none at all, for that matter.

It looks to me that this line from the article is closer to the point--
"In the final analysis, there is only one reason we have abortion: because people who are not open to life are engaging in the behavior designed precisely to generate it."


IMO, the article is meant for a Catholic audience--obviously--but it is not directing its fire at Catholics in particular.

I'm just trying to explain the title to you, since you've asked about it multiple times. From the article:

There’s an inconvenient truth that many pro-lifers don’t want to face: we will never solve the abortion problem (let alone the overall culture of death and widespread gender chaos) until we address the contraception problem.​

The title and the whole article is about contraception. That's the central theme. That's the "inconvenient truth."

 

[Albion]

I'm just trying to explain the title to you, since you've asked about it multiple times.

Yeh. I got that such is your interpretation. I'm glad you offered it. I just disagree. The article never once mentions Catholics and the contents are applicable to all pro-life people.

There’s an inconvenient truth that many pro-lifers don’t want to face: we will never solve the abortion problem (let alone the overall culture of death and widespread gender chaos) until we address the contraception problem.

The title and the whole article is about contraception. That's the central theme. That's the "inconvenient truth."