The Importance of....

[DArceri]

I love all you guys!!!!

 

[INRI2]

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this,
To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction,
and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

funny you should use that Quote, it is one that is often used by the organisation I work for.

If we do not love Jesus' Mother how can we even begin to imagine we could love others?

 

[DArceri]

If we do not love Jesus' Mother how can we even begin to imagine we could love others?

So who here does not love Mary? You have anyone in mind?

 

[INRI2]

So who here does not love Mary? You have anyone in mind?

I do not know the hearts of people only god Knows that.

But very few who have posted on this thread have thus far stated a love of the blessed virgin and even one person I forget who said that s/he had respect for her but he could never love her

 

[sunlover1]

I love all you guys!!!!

Wooooo Hooooooo, we'll just call darceri
the lover of the brethren!
lol.
love you too brother!

funny you should use that Quote, it is one that is often used by the organisation I work for.

If we do not love Jesus' Mother how can we even begin to imagine we could love others?

Not love Jesus' mom?
Who don't?
Christians all do, if you have God, you've got love.


I'm glad you made this thread INRI, because it really
helps to see it all in perspective according to how it
REALLY went down as compared to how ministers/priests
etc will sort of color it.

We could makes all sorts of stuff up about Mary,
like say she was perfect and never got offended
each of those times Jesus basically said, back off a
bit mom.

OR we could assume she was a grouch and offended
because as a mom, she was maybe feeling rejected.

Lot's of things we could just throw right out there,
but that would be adding to what we know.

Thanks INRI.

Yeah, I don't think we're called to like bow down
to or revere anyone like mary or the apostles etc,
in such a way as would be like how we honor God.

But we all will call mary blessed among women!!

 

[DArceri]

I do not know the hearts of people only god Knows that.

But very few who have posted on this thread have thus far stated a love of the blessed virgin and even one person I forget who said that s/he had respect for her but he could never love her

Not all love is 'healthy' love. Do you agree that one can love someone to a point of obsession (ie. more focused on loving a person than God himself)? That is not the kind of love we are told to have toward our fellow man. That kind of love is reserved for God only. Man is second....Do you agree?

 

[Fireinfolding]

I know many on here have a difference in doctrine on The Blessed Virgin Mary - lets forget for the minute there is any marian doctrines. i.e co-redemptrix, co-mediatrix, Perpetual Virginity, Mother Of God forget them all and any offical line towards "our lady"

OK

Its not in scripture, infact our lord asks "who is my mother and who is my borthers) and I suppose it may not be a prerequisit for salvation...

Well If we love Christ, we will want to love all that he loved and who can say he never loved his own mother?

it actually more clear being written that he loved Lazarus, now that i cannot doubt... but... i dont believe that advocates building an image of him and pouring out soft words to Lazarus either.

Didnt Jesus say if we loved him we would keep his commandments?

so where is the commandment to either worship, pray or show devotion to mary? its not implied or expressed or any such commandment and therefore not a legitimate way to show love in the doing of it. he said pray to the Father, worship the Father.

To love our lady because of our love of Christ shows that our love is begining to manifest itself towards others, for if we can not love our blessed mother and honour her how can we love Christ's enemies?

no one hates her just because we dont go ga ga over her...some of us have convictions against all that. we dont want to build statutes, gauk at painted pictures of her or pray to her etc and that doesnt mean anyone hates her. some just dont make her an object of focus or devotion. neither do scriptures lead me to such a thing.. besides i would think mary would want all to go to her son and for us to obey him and of doing such things pertaining her i simply cant see.

its my own conviction (for me) that its disobedience, you wouldnt advise moving against ones own conviction would you? i just never felt any romanticized notion toward mary, i dont get the focus on her to the extent others feel they must.

but hey.. we have our own convictions. if anyone wants to offer tongue gifts of sweet lovey devotions and their adoration for mary, i'd say feel free. i dont share the same inner spring of willingness to do that at all. i have a conviction to the contrary.

.... your ending premise seems a bit off kilter. by that i mean the mafia mouths and shows respects towards mary and they still kill their enemies...so what kind of reasoning is that?

 

[INRI2]

Not love Jesus' mom?
Who don't?
Christians all do, if you have God, you've got love.


I'm glad you made this thread INRI, because it really
helps to see it all in perspective according to how it
REALLY went down as compared to how ministers/priests
etc will sort of color it.

We could makes all sorts of stuff up about Mary,
like say she was perfect and never got offended
each of those times Jesus basically said, back off a
bit mom.

OR we could assume she was a grouch and offended
because as a mom, she was maybe feeling rejected.

Lot's of things we could just throw right out there,
but that would be adding to what we know.

Thanks INRI.

Yeah, I don't think we're called to like bow down
to or revere anyone like mary or the apostles etc,
in such a way as would be like how we honor God.

But we all will call mary blessed among women!!

yes forget the doctrine of the Catholic Church, let those who can, accept them - it is more important that we are united in heart than in denomination

Regardless of denomination and doctrine we should all aspire to love the Blessed Virgin more and more and that should come super-naturally as we grow in love of Christ more and more.

Yeah, I don't think we're called to like bow down
to or revere anyone like mary or the apostles etc,
in such a way as would be like how we honor God

I agree with you in every respect, however there is nothing wrong with outward signs of love and honour towards the mother of our saviour, I think it is important that we do just that, just as it is important that we show outward signs of love for Christians and even for those who are not Christians.

But these outward signs should be done according to the place where each person is at in relation to their love of Christ. If a person feels that for them to put flowers on a statue of the blessed virgin, that they were loving Mary more than our lord then it is deffinatly wrong for them (perhaps they should put two bunches of flowers on a staue of our lord and pray, i am sure they would hear our lord say "take one of these bunches and put them on a statue that honours my mother) So let each person act according to the love they have, lets not be a stumbling block for each other, lets edify each other instead of chastising each other.

Would I be asking too much to request that those who are able to at this moment in love for St Mary giving her the due title of "blessed" when we refer to her.

for example

"Blessed St Mary"
"blessed Virgin"
"blessed Virgin Mary"
"Blessed mother of Jesus"
"blessed......."

Because after all it is her biblical title

"from now on all Generations shall call me blessed"

 

[DArceri]

Would I be asking too much to request that those who are able to at this moment in love for St Mary giving her the due title of "blessed" when we refer to her.

for example

"Blessed St Mary"
"blessed Virgin"
"blessed Virgin Mary"
"Blessed mother of Jesus"
"blessed......."

Because after all it is her biblical title

"from now on all Generations shall call me blessed"

2And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:

3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
6"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 "Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

 

[tadoflamb]

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this,
To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction,
and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

funny you should use that Quote, it is one that is often used by the organisation I work for. If we do not love Jesus' Mother how can we even begin to imagine we could love others?

That verse gets quoted a lot in the ministry I work with as well.

 

[INRI2]

2And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:

3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
6"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 "Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

well said, just shows us what kind of woman she was.

would anyone be willing to start calling our lady "blessed...." when refering to her as an outwards and also biblical sign of love for her?

 

[INRI2]

"That verse gets quoted a lot in the ministry I work with as well."

You never know it maybe the same one. HGPI?

 

[DArceri]

well said, just shows us what kind of woman she was.

would anyone be willing to start calling our lady "blessed...." when refering to her as an outwards and also biblical sign of love for her?

All saints can be called blessed. If you reserve Mary as the only blessed person, then you have a problem.

 

[Fireinfolding]

it will just always come back to her...

when i think of RC the first elevated things which come to mind is the pope and Mary... but im honestly not sure where Jesus fits into the mix with the RC because it sometimes appears that these are given more place or focus then Him. i never hear of Him, the association or connection is hard (for an outsider) to make when precedence or weight appears to be everywhere else but Him.

the very same thing can also be said of protestant churches, without partiality or doubt. everyone has a center peice on their table they certainly varry. Jesus Christ just seems to take the backseat in many places.

 

[JDIBe]

It was at this point the Father revealed to peter who Jesus was, it wasnt a chastisment it was a blessing.

"blessed are you simon, son of Jonah, for flesh and blood have not revealed this to you but my father in heaven"

You could say it was their devotion to elijiah and moses that was cause of this blessing

Mat 17:1-8
(1) And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart:
(2) and he was transfigured before them; and his face did shine as the sun, and his garments became white as the light.
(3) And behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him.
(4) And Peter answered, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, I will make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.
(5) While he was yet speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold, a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
(6) And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
(7) And Jesus came and touched them and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
(8) And lifting up their eyes, they saw no one, save Jesus only.


Tell you what. On Sunday, go read this to your Priest and ask him what this means.

As for your question, "would we be willing to call Mary blessed as an outwards and biblical sign of love for her", would you be willing to call everyone on this board "blessed" as an outwards and biblical sign of love for them? Remember, our love for our fellow man is just as infinite as our love for Jesus and Mary.

 

[tadoflamb]

You never know it maybe the same one. HGPI?

No, SVdP.

 

[Fireinfolding]

nay...WDBT, IMHO LUV R2D2 & C3PO

I want to open a thread on abreviations because theres rarely one I get

 

[tadoflamb]

nay...WDBT, IMHO LUV R2D2 & C3PO

I want to open a thread on abreviations because theres rarely one I get

I've got a link for you when you do.

Pax,

Tad

 

[INRI2]

I am a member of Svp too!

 

[INRI2]

All saints can be called blessed. If you reserve Mary as the only blessed person, then you have a problem.

Of course, you are perfectly correct it would be brilliant if when refering to the saints you could also call them blessed along with the blessed Virgin Mary.

Like I said let each act according to their present relationship with Christ, if you are capable to call the saints Blessed then it would be fantastic.

Blessed St Joseph
Blessed St Anthony
Blessed St Christopher
Blessed St Cuthbert
Blessed St Peter
Blessed St Paul
Blessed St Mathew

However if ones love and relationship with the lord has not deveoped to this point yet, then we should not say they have a problem, we are all at different places along the road of our relationship with Christ.