The ice age and the flood

[AV1611VET]

Muslims would say that Jesus is not the son of God,

So would atheists.

... you both can't be right, but you can both be wrong.

Ditto.

 

[AV1611VET]

He is helping you to understand, but he uses reverse psychology for lack of a better name, so you do not know your being helped. He wins his argument when you proclaim him to be wrong. It is a great tactic because creationists are so often proclaimed to be wrong on this board no matter what evidence they produce. So he plays your game and beats you at it just about every time. People have a lot of respect for him because he is so good at beating people at their own game.

-- You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar!

 

[AV1611VET]

I suppose AV1611VET could help someone understand the wilder shores of fundamentalist literalist dispensensationalist beliefs, although I can't imagine anyone being very interested in that in anything but a "you'll never guess what he's saying now" kind of way. Other than that I'm at a loss as to how you come to the above conclusions.

Ask Split Rock.

 

[SkyWriting]

Right, just as most people have never been to the stars. So we see the starlight star bright shining through our window at night. Here, where the laws we know are all we assume exists anywhere. How provincial.

It's Biblical. God is a rock and unchanging. Here or There.
Now if you have some evidence or scriptures or even supporters,
that would be interesting.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Ask Split Rock.

I've read split rock's exchanges with you. He's mostly polite but I'm not sure he respects you. Has he learned anything from you? Possibly patience. More than that I wouldn't like to say. No, I'm interested in Jazer's claim that there's a game you keep winning, apparently. I must have missed those threads. The ones I've read have been more like watching a small noisy dog barking away in a lion enclosure. It's sort of fascinating but I often have to avert my gaze.

 

[Greg1234]

Stopping the sun would do nothing, to make the day longer the earth would need to stop spinning, but of course they knew nothing of that did they? only fools and the gullible would believe those stories, do you believe them dad?

Ah but the question is, who believes your stories?

 

[Davian]

He is helping you to understand, but he uses reverse psychology for lack of a better name, so you do not know your being helped.

I did not deny that he is helping me to understand. Even the evasion of the remainder of my post is an answer in itself.

He wins his argument when you proclaim him to be wrong.

So he wins the argument, but is still wrong. Good point, Jazer.

It is a great tactic because creationists are so often proclaimed to be wrong on this board no matter what evidence they produce.

I will agree with this. So often wrong, they would be happy to win any argument.

So he plays your game and beats you at it just about every time.

Just not in any way that you can demonstrate.

People have a lot of respect for him because he is so good at beating people at their own game.

Even if that were true, it would not 'poof' his deity into existence.

 

[dad]

It's Biblical. God is a rock and unchanging. Here or There.
Now if you have some evidence or scriptures or even supporters,
that would be interesting.

What does God being unchanging have to do with a stretched out space or firmament, and what laws exist in areas far from earth? If a third of the stars fall to the earth, how big could they really be?

The stars were for earth to see...signs, that is clear from the outset. We also see that stars are related to how God influences mankind.


Jud 5:20 -They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera. Also in many places the spirits are used in comparison to and grouped with stars...


Job 38:7 -When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Of course the stars are where they are doing what He ordained, and not there from some super speck having a freaky Friday, and deciding to expand to our universe.

Ps 8:3 -When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; Not ONE star anywhere exists, but that God knows it's name. He made them and knows each one, like He knows us.


The way He talks about stars is not possibly in sync with the way so called science has envisioned stars.

Ps 148:3 -Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. Stars and space areas are clearly connected to the spiritual realm.



Isa 14:13 -For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: The fate of this space and stars as we know them is slated to change drastically, far from the silly predictions of earth law centered so called science's 'predictions'.



Joe 3:15 - The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shiningStars also are not claimed to be homogeneous or uniform.


1Co 15:41 -There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. The star of Bethlehem was far far different from the 'suns' that science claims stars are!

Man's wisdom is indeed truly foolishness. Man is wrong. God was right all along. Come on over to the happy side.

 

[dad]

Stopping the sun would do nothing, to make the day longer the earth would need to stop spinning, but of course they knew nothing of that did they? only fools and the gullible would believe those stories, do you believe them dad?

Nope. The area that was affected was not the earth. It was a battle area on earth in the 'holy' land. We are fools for Christ's sake, and believers do believe it, yes indeed.

If time and laws were suspended in a local area, then that means that normal laws were out the window. Your tact is to try to impose those present state laws on that spiritually affected time and locality and wave away the miracle. No. That is silly conjecture. Put man and his world and his wisdom in their little place, and you may begin to see amazing things. Till then, comments from the doubting peanut gallery are overruled, exposed, marginalized, dismissed, and thrown out of the court of reality, truth, common sense, and reason. And done so with relish.

 

[SkyWriting]

If time and laws were suspended in a local area, then that means that normal laws were out the window.

But you usually support different laws for different times and places.

 

[dad]

But you usually support different laws for different times and places.

No. In this present state and time we have a certain nature and normal set of laws. In local situations, this can be and is overridden when God adds the spiritual component to this. Not all of man's universe is changed but just the affected person or area for the duration of the miracle.

In the case of the pre flood world, the nature seems to have been different in all man's 'universe' or world.

 

[SkyWriting]

I am not allowed to say what everyone is thinking am I?

Read the rules again. You may speak to the topic directly and comment on the content that is delivered. You may not speak to the speakers background and generalize about their state of mind no matter the source. There is no point on trying to infer thoughts onto unseen groups either. Stick to the topic and address it's merits or lack of merits.

I have spoken bad things about my peers and co-workers in Science and have been warned.

 

[SkyWriting]

Any better ideas or some flaw in this concept?

• Liquid nitrogen is rare.
• Underground temperatures are mild to warm.
• Under ground gasses tend to dissipate.
• Water would condense most gasses and does cover most of the globe.
• The early earth temps were likely very moderate.
• Most trapped resources suggest they came from catastrophic events rather than caused them.

 

[SkyWriting]

What do we hear from you?? Shall we simply ask you who is right, and who is brainwashed? This is not a beauty contest where you are the judge. Your lowly job here is to talk intelligently and with some sort of unblonde substance.

I dated a real good looking Blonde once. She was da Bomb.

 

[dad]

I am not allowed to say what everyone is thinking am I?

You might be surprised. Until one begins to look at what we actually know, and what the facts actually are, one would tend to think that it is crazy to question the foundational beliefs of science. Once ones looks honestly however, one realizes that the basis for old age godless wild claims of science is quite defeatable.

 

[dad]

I dated a real good looking Blonde once. She was da Bomb.

Is that good or bad?

 

[dad]

• Liquid nitrogen is rare.

I should think that if what fast froze the water was that stuff, it might be rare now! Also we need to ask if we even know exactly what it was. We also need to look at how rare any substance may have been in the former state as well as deep under the earth, and possibly space also. There is therefore no way to limit the freezing substance in the far past.

• Under ground gasses tend to dissipate

  Under normal conditions in this present state, maybe. However, have a planet upchuck oceans of water, and heaven knows what else came with it! For example large deposits of salt!? The evidence is startling and mounting.

• Water would condense most gasses and does cover most of the globe.

Say what? This has what to do with water from the wormholes of space, or the fountains of the deep?? If you mean water NOW covers most of the globe, that is irrelevant to the pre flood time.

• The early earth temps were likely very moderate.

  I agree. But when the ice age came, that would have changed fast in many parts of the earth! Just look at all the ice even still here!

• Most trapped resources suggest they came from catastrophic events rather than caused them.

  What is now trapped in this present time would have resulted in many cases from the flood, so I guess I would tend to agree.

• Underground temperatures are mild to warm.

Right, I would suspect that when the continents moved fast that produced some heat! Of course even if almost none was produced if the separation was in the former state, we must ask whether there final little movements were in this state, which would explain volcanism, large lava areas, and mountain ranges that are from 'molten' rock.

 

[Jazer]

Creationists produce evidence? that would be a first, I think everyone would like to see that happen, even you.

I produce evidence all the time, where would you like to start?

 

[Greg1234]

Creationists produce evidence? that would be a first, I think everyone would like to see that happen, even you.

And who would like to see you refute Creationism?

 

[Greg1234]

You produce evidence? then why is creationism still a faith?

Everything is faith, including your faith that you are awake.