Quote from Mr Strawberry:
Apart from claiming that your God is the one true God, just as they do, you haven't said anything to show that your beliefs are any more justified than theirs. You just seem upset that I am asking someone to campare the reasons for their beliefs with people who believe in religions you disagree with.
Tobewan: Mr Strawberry, your manner of writing sounds like you field is psychology or psychiatry, which makes it difficult to see outside those boxes, to see the reality of ONE TRUE GOD. Having not presented anything to show my “beliefs are any more justified than theirs” – if we spent all day trying to show that, it would be a futile effort and waste of time. The ONE TRUE GOD has a message suitable here to you:
Psa 115:2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?
Psa 115:3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
Psa 115:4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
Psa 115:5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
Psa 115:6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
Psa 115:7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
Psa 115:8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.
And again: Psa 135:15 The idols of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
Psa 135:16 They have mouths, but they speak not; eyes have they, but they see not;
Psa 135:17 They have ears, but they hear not; neither is there any breath in their mouths.
Psa 135:18 They that make them are like unto them: so is every one that trusteth in them.
We know whom we believe in, but sadly, you have only yourself. Belief in He whom the scriptures declare makes sense, elsewhere sense is lacking.
Quote Mr Strawberry again:
Wow, I didn't realise how difficult such basic ideas would be for some of the hardcore believers. There seems to be a major handicap in viewing one's own beliefs/opinions from the outside in the same way that they view the beliefs/opinions of people of other religions.
Tobewan: “Hardcore believers” in the ONE TRUE GOD, whose record of mankind goes back viably for 6000 yrs, (rather than the imaginative guesses of Evo’s), is an acceptable label.
But to label that belief as mere “opinions”, as yours are, is comparing oranges to apples. Your opinions are fabricated out of your head – fantasy. Our belief has substantiated records, which, to try and convince you of, is only to reveal your stubbornness and unwillingness of mind. NO! We don't accept your reasoning as superior!
Quote from DEALUM
No but it's a big lie that is so big it's just got to be true, just as your lie is a big lie and you think it's true.
I am not being spiteful just realistic, which you can never bring yourself to be for obvious reasons.
Tobewan: For DEALUM & everyone: this reply: Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Yet there is hope for all, even all those who now abide in unbelief, according to God’s gracious plans.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
“Concluded them all in unbelief” ALL, including all the false gods and worship, including scientific unbelief. Act 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Man’s stubborn cold stoney heart of unbelief must in due time be changed to a warm fleshy heart of belief. Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
The Flood and the Ice age can be better known and believed in due time.