The ice age and the flood

[dad]

Depends which God(s) they believed in. There is little difference between the Koran quote and Christians saying if you don't embrace Jesus you are lost.

All the difference in the world. Adam knew Jesus, and they walked together in the garden. The bible prophets knew Jesus and they spoke of His coming. If you wanted to claim the spaghetti monster was the only way, that has nothing to do with Abraham or Moses, or the Living God. Daniel was the almost head honcho in 2 world governments. Moses was a prince in Egypt. Rome crumbled before the Christians. After all this, Islam came around, and like the other gods, claimed stuff. Whoopee do.

 

[dad]

What about those other gods?

They are insignificant fakes.

You know, "Ye shall not go after other gods..."? And was his name really 'God'? That *would* get confusing when dealing with other gods.

He called Himself many things. He appeared to many and did a lot of stuff.

Perhaps the english word for it, but I might suspect that carriages for hire may have existed before biblical times.

The Egyptian army drove chariots, and had a Red sea encounter with destiny. They probably made loud mouth claims about their beliefs and gods too. Whoopee do.

But does Obama believe in your god?

How would I know? But some say he has Muslim leanings also. Who knows? Who cares? The devils believe and tremble, so I suspect Obama has some secret inkling.

Maybe we should buy the guy some new prayer beads? We could name them for fun.... 'indebt the US to slavery' kill babies as much as possible' 'try to make sure as few as possible have a chance at being born' 'pretend I am a friend of the poor' 'promote same sex anything everywhere possible at any cost' etc etc etc... Ho hum...

 

[Mr Strawberry]

All the difference in the world. Adam knew Jesus, and they walked together in the garden. The bible prophets knew Jesus and they spoke of His coming. If you wanted to claim the spaghetti monster was the only way, that has nothing to do with Abraham or Moses, or the Living God. Daniel was the almost head honcho in 2 world governments. Moses was a prince in Egypt. Rome crumbled before the Christians. After all this, Islam came around, and like the other gods, claimed stuff. Whoopee do.

Depends if you believe the above or not. In your version of your religion you take it for granted the above is true, but other religions don't. You are then left in the same position as they are with both of you saying "I'm right and you're wrong" and both of you believing it as vehemently as each other, which is where stepping back and looking at the situation from the outside becomes interesting.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which is as useful as showing that the bible must be true because it says it is true.

Well, from over here, it appears that each Christian writes their own version of the scriptures as they go along - dad and Cupid D leading the way. I do find it sort of fascinating, how you all try get along within the site rules.

Is there something I can help you with, Davian? or do you just want to vent?

I am NOT going to honor Mohammad in any way, shape or form; and I just told you why.

He was a false prophet, and I don't feel I should respect his religion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Depends if you believe the above or not. In your version of your religion you take it for granted the above is true, but other religions don't. You are then left in the same position as they are with both of you saying "I'm right and you're wrong" and both of you believing it as vehemently as each other, which is where stepping back and looking at the situation from the outside becomes interesting.

As an atheist, you don't believe in God anyway, do you?

So why are you playing some kind of third-party card?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

As an atheist, you don't believe in God anyway, do you?

So why are you playing some kind of third-party card?

As I've explained, I'm trying to get you to look at the similarities or differences in the reasons for you believing things you've been told as strongly as they believe what they've been told. As you are someone who regards other religion's beliefs as so obviously wrong it would seem the intelligent thing to do to find out why they believe so strongly and check that you aren't doing the same thing as them. And that means having some objective method of determining what you know. Or are you and they both relying on nothing more than faith that what you've been told is true? In which case, what is the difference between you and them?

 

[AV1611VET]

As I've explained, I'm trying to get you to look at the similarities or differences in the reasons for you believing things you've been told as strongly as they believe what they've been told. As you are someone who regards other religion's beliefs as so obviously wrong it would seem the intelligent thing to do to find out why they believe so strongly and check that you aren't doing the same thing as them. And that means having some objective method of determining what you know. Or are you and they both relying on nothing more than faith that what you've been told is true? In which case, what is the difference between you and them?

Welcome to the world of faith.

You should recognize it -- you use it as well -- (q.v. my Mariana Trench thread).

I'll use my apple challenge to make a point here as well.

If your friend laughs in your face when you tell him I created your apple ex nihilo, he would be wrong.

You and I would be the only two who know he's wrong, but he's wrong just the same.

On the other hand, if he accepted what you told him -- by faith -- he would have made the right decision.

 

[AV1611VET]

You can forget reason, intelligence and logic, religion is the most illogical thing ever invented and the religious are completely taken in by it, AV more than most, he will never bow to reason or use his intelligence because he knows full well that if he does his religious house of cards will come tumbling down, while ignorance and denial will keep it standing until the day he dies.

Using me as a poster child to vent, are you?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Welcome to the world of faith.

You should recognize it -- you use it as well -- (q.v. my Mariana Trench thread).

I'll use my apple challenge to make a point here as well.

If your friend laughs in your face when you tell him I created your apple ex nihilo, he would be wrong.

You and I would be the only two who know he's wrong, but he's wrong just the same.

On the other hand, if he accepted what you told him -- by faith -- he would have made the right decision.

So you are unable to identify any differences between you and the person who believes something you think is wrong. You both believe what you believe for the same reasons.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you are unable to identify any differences between you and the person who believes something you think is wrong. You both believe what you believe for the same reasons.

That's right -- except Christianity has much more weight to it.

The Bible, time being expressed as BC/AD, the Church, and fulfilled prophecies, such as Israel returning to its homeland, with a 100% fulfillment rate so far.

 

[AV1611VET]

Religion works like this, if you want someone to believe you tell them a lie so big that it could not possibly be a lie.
Ron L Hubbard proved that.

You fell for L. Ron Hubbard's religion, did you?

Is that why you're so spiteful towards religion in general, and Christianity specifically?

 

[tobewan]

"As I've explained, I'm trying to get you to look at the similarities or differences in the reasons for you believing things you've been told as strongly as they believe what they've been told. As you are someone who regards other religion's beliefs as so obviously wrong it would seem the intelligent thing to do to find out why they believe so strongly and check that you aren't doing the same thing as them. And that means having some objective method of determining what you know. Or are you and they both relying on nothing more than faith that what you've been told is true? In which case, what is the difference between you and them?"

The tenor set by your philosophical ideals Mr Strawberry indicates a lack of ability to believe in anything except what you are trying to get everybody else to believe because you think and believe its right, it makes sense to you. The path you’ve chosen fails in ability to recognize that there may be in fact ONE TRUE GOD, as the ONE that the Jewish people have believed and served for over 3000 years. You can never accept any other belief than your own, which philosophy looks to nullify all other concepts of god, no matter how true or false, which you assert relying on material objects to tell you what true, and those who study material objects and claim to be descending from microbes and apes.

You think one who professes to be Christian is hypocritical by disowning all other gods as false, yet in your own way, your hypocrisy is showing through. Seems you have made your bed, use it and quit hammering on Christians just because they are different from you and actually believe in THE ONE TRUE GOD! At least Christians generally don’t have a desire to kill others just because they won’t believe in their God, nor strap on bomb-belts to kill innocent people.

Really, since you think there is little difference, go try to live among those lands, under their regimes. They can be ruthless, lying, cunningly deceptive, hateful, etc., and all in the name of their god.

Without getting detailed, There is a vast difference between their god and the ONE TRUE GOD.
So quit harping on AV1611VET.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

That's right -- except Christianity has much more weight to it.

The Bible, time being expressed as BC/AD, the Church, and fulfilled prophecies, such as Israel returning to its homeland, with a 100% fulfillment rate so far.

Except you have just admitted that you have no more reason to believe than they do. Now you suddenly want to start presenting evidence for examination? Why do you feel it necessary to do that? And if you feel it necessary to judge your beliefs not on blind faith, but evidence, how are you going to determine that the evidence that you are presenting is any better than the evidence that they present? Because if you aren't going to use an objective method to examine the evidence you might as well not bother with it. Or do you just trust what you've been told about your evidence in the same way that people who believe religions you disagree with believe what they've been told about their evidence? In which case you are back where you started.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

"As I've explained, I'm trying to get you to look at the similarities or differences in the reasons for you believing things you've been told as strongly as they believe what they've been told. As you are someone who regards other religion's beliefs as so obviously wrong it would seem the intelligent thing to do to find out why they believe so strongly and check that you aren't doing the same thing as them. And that means having some objective method of determining what you know. Or are you and they both relying on nothing more than faith that what you've been told is true? In which case, what is the difference between you and them?"

The tenor set by your philosophical ideals Mr Strawberry indicates a lack of ability to believe in anything except what you are trying to get everybody else to believe because you think and believe its right, it makes sense to you. The path you’ve chosen fails in ability to recognize that there may be in fact ONE TRUE GOD, as the ONE that the Jewish people have believed and served for over 3000 years. You can never accept any other belief than your own, which philosophy looks to nullify all other concepts of god, no matter how true or false, which you assert relying on material objects to tell you what true, and those who study material objects and claim to be descending from microbes and apes.

You think one who professes to be Christian is hypocritical by disowning all other gods as false, yet in your own way, your hypocrisy is showing through. Seems you have made your bed, use it and quit hammering on Christians just because they are different from you and actually believe in THE ONE TRUE GOD! At least Christians generally don’t have a desire to kill others just because they won’t believe in their God, nor strap on bomb-belts to kill innocent people.

Really, since you think there is little difference, go try to live among those lands, under their regimes. They can be ruthless, lying, cunningly deceptive, hateful, etc., and all in the name of their god.

Without getting detailed, There is a vast difference between their god and the ONE TRUE GOD.
So quit harping on AV1611VET.

Apart from claiming that your God is the one true God, just as they do, you haven't said anything to show that your beliefs are any more justified than theirs. You just seem upset that I am asking someone to campare the reasons for their beliefs with people who believe in religions you disagree with.

 

[Split Rock]

Welcome to the world of faith.

You should recognize it -- you use it as well -- (q.v. my Mariana Trench thread).

Horse hockey. We've gone over this ground before. It isn't the same, and at one point you agreed with me.

I'll use my apple challenge to make a point here as well.

If it does such a good job of making "the point," why do you need to repeat it over and over again?

If your friend laughs in your face when you tell him I created your apple ex nihilo, he would be wrong.

You and I would be the only two who know he's wrong, but he's wrong just the same.

No he wouldn't be wrong, because you can't make an apple ex nihilo.

On the other hand, if he accepted what you told him -- by faith -- he would have made the right decision.

No he would not have. Give us one solid example of a faith position that conflicted with reality that turned out to be demostratively true... you can't.

You fell for L. Ron Hubbard's religion, did you?

Is that why you're so spiteful towards religion in general, and Christianity specifically?

You fell for Bishop Ussher's timeline did you?

Is that why you're so spiteful towards science in general, and Evolution specifically?

(what do you always say about mirrors?)

 

[SkyWriting]

Noo sweat. The labrotory is where? Right.

PPPL Technical Reports
National Spherical Torus Experiment
ITER
Lithium Tokamak Experiment
Magnetic Reconnection Experiment
Hall Thruster Experiment
Magnetorotational Instability Experiment
Theoretical Plasma Physics
Beam Dynamics and Nonneutral Plasmas
Tokamak Fusion Test Reactor
Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory[bless and do not curse]—[bless and do not curse]WELCOME TO THE FUTURE OF FUSION ENERGY

 

[dad]

PPPL Technical Reports
National Spherical Torus Experiment
ITER
Lithium Tokamak Experiment
Magnetic Reconnection Experiment
Hall Thruster Experiment
Magnetorotational Instability Experiment
Theoretical Plasma Physics
Beam Dynamics and Nonneutral Plasmas
Tokamak Fusion Test Reactor
Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory[bless and do not curse]—[bless and do not curse]WELCOME TO THE FUTURE OF FUSION ENERGY

So the labs are on earth. As I thought. Thanks for that. That is about like sitting in front of a plasma TV and imagining the plasma in the far universe works the same way. Ho hum.

 

[dad]

Depends if you believe the above or not.

No more than if we believe in Last Thursday, and former popes.

In your version of your religion you take it for granted the above is true, but other religions don't.

What, you thought this was a place for pagans to vote on reality or God?

You are then left in the same position as they are with both of you saying "I'm right and you're wrong" and both of you believing it as vehemently as each other, which is where stepping back and looking at the situation from the outside becomes interesting.

Heck no. We know who we have believed, and have a long history of close contacts, and communication, and proofs, and the long awaited Messiah that came on the right day, to the right town, to the right virgin mom, died the right way, was betrayed the right way, and rose up from the dead and was seen for many weeks by many many folks. This wasn't done in a closet. To deny without reason, is to forsake reason.

There are many spirits, and many others who have encounters with them. From all I have ever read all of them are pip squeaks in every way when held up to the astounding light of the mostly already fulfilled bible. So no, not all things are equal. Not all things deserve the same place. Like the sick beliefs of baseless so called science, they all are like dust in the balances compared to our God. The education system that exalted all of them to equal status, as well as child murderers, and same sex sodomites as equal with God's planned relationship is to be disrespected deeply. That is a Christian duty! Yeah, the duty of good men everywhere, and lovers of truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

Give us one solid example of a faith position that conflicted with reality that turned out to be demostratively true... you can't.

Matthew 14:28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
Matthew 14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
Matthew 14:30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
Matthew 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

Now, let's see you move the goalpost and tell me what you really meant.

You're turn.

 

[cupid dave]

Apart from claiming that your God is the one true God, just as they do, you haven't said anything to show that your beliefs are any more justified than theirs. You just seem upset that I am asking someone to campare the reasons for their beliefs with people who believe in religions you disagree with.

Let us put it this way.

If one's god is anthing but Truth, irtself, that is, the idael of Truth, then his god is often a liar.

If one's god is Eros, for instance, nad nhe therefore ignores or opposes the Truth that HIV/AIDS is doubling every seven years, then he worships a god who will accept lies.

If that same person denies that Safe Sex has failed now, ever since 1984, then his god accepts lies in order that His followers and continue to congregate.

If you argue with us here, and deny that you are using Truth as the weapon to convince us, then your own sword is the Christian God who said, "I am the Truth."

In short, there is no real God for man except Truth.
Those who say other wise are forced to us Truth to prove it.