The Holy Trinity??? Help

[Quans]

God Breathed in to man (Gods Spirit) God also Breath life into Jesus by way of the power of God acting on Mary.

God is one God Jesus was a normal man sent as a messenger by God for as to see the way the light the word!

Jesus was a man with the power of god in him like us all, however Jesus shows us the way we should live in our spiritual selves, Jesus;s spirit form (christ) returned to God on the ressurection
Man + Power of God = Son
Son plus power of God = Gods word to us = Jesus
Father + holy spirit = God

Therefore Jesus + (God + power of God) = God

The relationship mentioned here is to help us mortals understand the relationship of jesus to god, a son is usually never as powerful as his father!

mmm difficult to explain!! oh well..

Hope you find the answer you looking for..

 

[Athanasian Creed]

God Breathed in to man (Gods Spirit) God also Breath life into Jesus by way of the power of God acting on Mary.

God is one God Jesus was a normal man sent as a messenger by God for as to see the way the light the word!

Jesus was a man with the power of god in him like us all, however Jesus shows us the way we should live in our spiritual selves, Jesus;s spirit form (christ) returned to God on the ressurection
Man + Power of God = Son
Son plus power of God = Gods word to us = Jesus
Father + holy spirit = God

Therefore Jesus + (God + power of God) = God

The relationship mentioned here is to help us mortals understand the relationship of jesus to god, a son is usually never as powerful as his father!

mmm difficult to explain!! oh well..

Hope you find the answer you looking for..

You need to spend more time in God's Word learning about the nature of God and the Deity of Christ rather than trying to explain the doctrine of the Trinity to any one else. You yourself are badly mistaken and what you say is totally unscriptural.

Jesus is fully God in and of Himself and took on flesh and human nature. He is a Person in the one being of God along with the Father and the Holy Spirit. God the Son of God willingly made Himself of no reputation, taking on the form of a man, humbled Himself as a servant both to God and man though He preexisted in the "form of God" and was equal with the Father and Spirit (Phil. 2:6-8) Jesus was MUCH MUCH more than just a "normal" man!!

Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.00!


Ray

 

[CrazyforYeshua]

You need to spend more time in God's Word learning about the nature of God and the Deity of Christ rather than trying to explain the doctrine of the Trinity to any one else. You yourself are badly mistaken and what you say is totally unscriptural.

Jesus is fully God in and of Himself and took on flesh and human nature. He is a Person in the one being of God along with the Father and the Holy Spirit. God the Son of God willingly made Himself of no reputation, taking on the form of a man, humbled Himself as a servant both to God and man though He preexisted in the "form of God" and was equal with the Father and Spirit (Phil. 2:6-8) Jesus was MUCH MUCH more than just a "normal" man!!

Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.00!


Ray

 

[vincejohn]

Jesus said the Father is greater than I so how do you say Jesus is equal with His Father. Jesus is God the Son, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father given to His children in Jesus name who do the will of God. It is not given to wicked ,unbelieving, unrepentant people. The name trinity does not exist in the Bible. God hates labels that man gives to everything..it is better to think of God as our Holy Royal Family of the entire Universe.

 

[SNPete]

Jesus said the Father is greater than I so how do you say Jesus is equal with His Father. Jesus is God the Son, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father given to His children in Jesus name who do the will of God. It is not given to wicked ,unbelieving, unrepentant people. The name trinity does not exist in the Bible. God hates labels that man gives to everything..it is better to think of God as our Holy Royal Family of the entire Universe.

Perhaps you should read all the posts prior to offering an opinion.

I will repost this simple explaination of the trinity:


The concept of the Trinity is based on what the Bible teaches. The doctrine of the trinity is not stated in one sentence per se, but rather like this. If A=B and B=C then A=C. So we have scriptures that say Jesus is God such as John 1:1 and 1:14 plus Phil 2:5-8. Other scriptures say the Holy Spirit is God such as Romans 8:9-11, 2Cor 3:3 and 17-18 plus Acts 5:3-4. This is the short list. There are more scriptures that support the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Everlastinglife]

I really don't care how much "theologyspeak" others may get into trying to explain what some call the Trinity. To me God has manifest Himself in three persons. God is God is God. Nothing complicated about it.

I would agree it is clear. Father, the son and the Holy Spirit and all three are one. "God with us", we read Isaiah, The word poured into the flesh, we know in the beggining was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. God is mighty with no limits, GLORY!!!!

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

The Trinity


The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

The parallelism of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is not unique to Matthew’s Gospel, but appears elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14), as well as in the writings of the earliest Christians, who clearly understood them in the sense that we do today—that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three divine persons who are one divine being (God).


The Didache. . . . .
[From: http://www.catholic.com/library/Trinity.asp ]

Outstanding exposition. Removes any doubt as to the real nature of the Triune God. For those who dislike the precision of a rigorous explanation, I have to say that the simple explanation works for some of our readers. That is great for them, but this forum has a wide readership and a number of perspectives will help reach the largest number of those seeking an answer.

So, unless your attitude is, "if they don't get my simple explanation, too bad for them", is is incumbent on use to do all we can so that as many seekers as possible will get the message.


Your brother in Christ.

 

[vincejohn]

God then is another name for the Heavenly Family

 

[Athanasian Creed]

Jesus said the Father is greater than I so how do you say Jesus is equal with His Father. Jesus is God the Son, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father given to His children in Jesus name who do the will of God. It is not given to wicked ,unbelieving, unrepentant people. The name trinity does not exist in the Bible. God hates labels that man gives to everything..it is better to think of God as our Holy Royal Family of the entire Universe.

Yes, Jesus did say the Father was GREATER but He did not say the Father was BETTER. When He said greater He meant in terms of OFFICE/ROLE not in regards to His Divine NATURE. The term 'greater' denotes in relation to office/role, the term 'better' denotes in relation to Their natures. As an analogy, the President of the U.S. is 'greater' than any other U.S. citizen in relation to his office. To say, on the other hand, that he is 'better' is conjecture and highly debatable. When Jesus took on flesh and became a Man, He obviously was subservient to the Father in His condescension, but it was a voluntary submission and related only to His human nature. When Jesus said He and His Father were one, He was referring to His Divine nature, that both He and the Father shared the same essence and belonged together within the God Being.

You said the word 'trinity' is not mentioned in the 'Bible' but neither is the word 'Bible' in the 'Bible' Both are terms we use to describe what each represent. And the doctrine of the Trinity is inferred over and over again from Genesis to Revelation.

I would offer the same advise to you as i did the other person - better you get your nose into the Word of God and learn what it REALLY teaches so that you will get rid of the heresies you seemed to espouse.


Ray

 

[Mary of Bethany]

God is three Persons, one Essence.

It is truly a Holy Mystery.

Mary

 

[janny108]

I think of God as the creator of heaven and earth, He has 3 sides of him, sort of like we have different roles. Ex. I am a mother, friend, sister, daughter but those roles are distinctive. There are different attributes in the roles, but I am still Jan.

God has a Person in the Holy Spirit, our counselor and guide.

And manifested in human form thru Jesus who was part human part divine. He came to redeem mankind from the penalty of sin, by becoming a perfect sacrifice/atonement. We as a human race needed a Savior who died in our place on Calvary. We also see his human characteristics as He modeled love, compassion, mercy, forgiveness so we could have a model to follow.

I don't understand 100% the trinity(a man made idea), but I have faith in God to reveal Himself to me at any given time.

Jan

 

[Eusebios]

It needs to be pointed out that the teaching accepted at all times, by all Christians, is that our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ was bot FULLY GOD as well as FULLY MAN. Mary of Bethany has rightly pointed out that the TRinity is a Holy Mystery, and I believe others here are trying to say the same thing. AS finite human beings, it is diffiucult for us to wrap our minds around such myteries as the TRinity, or even the natures of Christ (God and Man)
In Xp,
Eusebios.

 

[Athanasian Creed]

... And manifested in human form thru Jesus who was part human part divine...

I don't understand 100% the trinity(a man made idea), but I have faith in God to reveal Himself to me at any given time.

Jan

Which 'part' of Jesus is Divine and which 'part' is human?? There is no such a doctrine within Christianity. We believe the Word of God teaches that Jesus was FULLY God while, at the same time, being FULLY man. 100% God and 100% man.

And, the Trinity is far from being a "man-made concept" The doctrine of the Trinity is inferred throughout the Old and New Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...there a 3 Persons within the Godhead (Members of the 'Elohim') Each are called God and yet the Bible is clear that there is one God Being.

Each Person within the Godhead is fully Lord and God yet there is but one Lord and one God.


Ray

 

[janny108]

Which 'part' of Jesus is Divine and which 'part' is human?? There is no such a doctrine within Christianity. We believe the Word of God teaches that Jesus was FULLY God while, at the same time, being FULLY man. 100% God and 100% man.

And, the Trinity is far from being a "man-made concept" The doctrine of the Trinity is inferred throughout the Old and New Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...there a 3 Persons within the Godhead (Members of the 'Elohim') Each are called God and yet the Bible is clear that there is one God Being.

Each Person within the Godhead is fully Lord and God yet there is but one Lord and one God.


Ray

I think a lot of us are saying the same thing about Jesus being part man part God. He is God in the flesh. Trinity is not a man made concept, but the terminology is confusing to many. The word "trinity" is not in the bible.

Jan

 

[janny108]

Like I said, I don't understand this 100% but I have the faith to believe to cover for what I don't understand.
Jan

 

[ILoveYeshua]

Num 6:22 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,
Num 6:23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,
Num 6:24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
Num 6:25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
Num 6:26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
Num 6:27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

from the Gill commentary in e-sword:

Num 6:24 - The Lord bless thee,.... Jehovah, Father, Son, and Spirit; the word "Jehovah" being three times used, and a different accent put to each word, denoting three distinct persons and one Jehovah, according to Deu_6:4; who are each of them concerned in the blessing of the Lord's people, the spiritual Israel of God; Jehovah the Father blesses with all spiritual blessings, with electing, adopting, justifying, and pardoning grace, with regenerating and calling, and persevering grace, and with eternal life: Jehovah the Son blesses particularly with redeeming grace, and has a concern in all the other blessings; the saints are blessed with them in him, they are all in his hands, they are procured by him, come through him, and are the gifts of his grace: and Jehovah the Spirit blesses as a spirit of regeneration and sanctification, as the spirit of faith, as a comforter, as the spirit of adoption, and as the earnest and sealer of the saints unto the day of redemption:

and keep thee; from, the evil of the world, from the evil one Satan, from the evil of sin, and the power, prevalence, and dominion of it, and from falling totally and finally by it, and keep in a state of grace unto everlasting salvation.



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even in the old testament was the trinity attested to, though only hinted at.

 

[heyder]

Some excellent explanations! I really like the water comparison.

One thing I observe is that God takes every form that we need him to be. We need a father or creator a supreme ruler. We need a spiritual form that is always with us and allows us to properly pray to the father. We need a man form that understands us because he's been through everything we could possible go through and resisted sin.

 

[ILoveYeshua]

one must be careful not to fall into modalism.

 

[Quans]

Bible I think is greek for books coming from the word 'biblieos' or something like that; so the 'Holy Bible' is translated to 'holy books' or 'books of the scripture', the collection of scriptures being the manual for life given by God himself to man.

Heresy is basically a belief in something other than the mainstream, so if the main belief is the trinity; then somebody that dosnt believe in the trinitiy would be considered a heretic as defined in the oxford english dictonary.
heresy



/herrisi/ • noun ([size=-1]pl.[/size] heresies) 1 belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine. 2 opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted.

There is only one God.

Jesus was 2 things first he was the son of man, and the son of god born a man into 'man's sin' therefore born into a mans body, then he became christ the risen son.

This IS in the bible, then working on your assumption there is in fact a 'quad'inity' and not a 'Tri'inity'.

which is God the Holy spirit and Jesus the son of god + Jesus the christ.

The trinity is 'in my view', is as I explained badly last time, however if you think I am wrong then so beit I am as you said a heritic, because I don't follow the main belief of the trinity. But as can be found in the NT, the way is to follow the small path and not the wide path.

I have studied the word and I do not find any indications that there is a trinity hidden in the scriptures.

My faith is strong and I feel good about it it helps me live.

It dosn't of course change anybodies belief in being saved through Jesus the christ, it is only a point of arguement, that will probably go unanswered until the end of days!

I will not change my belief and I certainly wouldnt ask you to change yours I wish everybody that searches the answers they look for. I have found my answer and I am happy with what I believe in

God Bless you all..