The Hoax of the Three Days and Three Nights

[Deut 5:29]

On the third day or in three days, simply means after a short period of time. (Hosea 6:2)

Night or day for three days, as we have in the request of Esther to fast for her, means three days or three nights whether one follows the tradition to fast by day or by night. Those terms were used here because it was in the Diaspora where most Persians followed the tradition to fast by night. So, Esther's maids who were not Jewish, would share Esther's pain by showing their solidarity with their night fast. (Esther 4:16)

The case of Jonah dispenses all explanation because it happened during a vision. Therefore metaphorical language. That could be the entire three days and three nights, since everything is possible in a vision or dream. (Jonah 2:1)

Now, for the three days and three nights we are talking about, for Jesus to spend in the tomb, according to Matthew 12:40, the writer must have had a very poor insight about parables or metaphorical language to draw his prophecy in the terms of Jonah's allegory. If he had used the language of Esther or Hosea, he could have saved his prophecy from being a hoax, but now he must account for the whole three days and three nights or parts thereof.

We don't even need another gospel writer to contradict the one of Matthew. This contradicts himself as he declares that the next day, the one following the Day of Preparation, the chief Priests asked Pilate for a guard of soldiers to watch the tomb area for three days. (Mat. 27:62-64) The Jewish Preparation Day is always Friday, and the following day is the Sabbath.

Then, after that Sabbath, as the first day was dawning, the women went to see the sepulcher, there was an earthquake, an "angel" came down from Heaven, removed the stone, and the tomb was empty. Someone had cheated the angel by raising Jesus from there long before the "angel" could at least be an eyewitness to the resurrection.

Based on the Jewish method that a whole day or night can be accounted for any part of the day or night, we can consider the first day for those minutes that took Joseph of Arimathea to get Jesus into the tomb before sunset. The first night from sunset to sundawn of Saturday, the second day from sundawn Saturday to sunset that Saturday, and the second night from sunset that Saturday to the sundawn of the first day. It was still dark when the women arrived at the tomb to find it empty. Therefore we are missing a whole day and a whole night to save Matthew 12:40 from becoming a prophetical hoax and a classical contradiction in the NT.
Any volunteers to solve this puzzle?

Ben

Days begin and end at sun down according to God.

The 14th day of the first month is The Passover. Lev. 23:5
Jesus was crucified on The Passover. Lk. 22:15 and Jo. 13:1

The women stayed with Jesus until He was buried. Mat. 27: 60-61 and
Mk. 15:46-47 That was at sun down, beginning the 15th day of the month.

The 15th day of the first month is the First Day of Unleavened Bread.
This is the first annual Sabbath of the year. Lev. 23:6-7.

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In Jo. 19:31 This special Sabbath is referred to as a “High Day.” Not a normal
weekly Sabbath.

Since it was the day after The Passover we know that it was The First Day of Unleavened
Bread.

Mk. 16:1 Explains that after this Sabbath the women went out and bought spices.

Lk. 23:56 Shows that after the women bought and prepared the spices they rested on the
next Sabbath according to the commandment. The forth commandment to be exact.

By the way any day can be a preperation day if it falls the day before any of God's Sabbaths.
Passover is always a preperation day because it always falls the day before the First Day of Unleavened Bread which is the first annual Sabbath of the year.

 

[Ben007]

Days begin and end at sun down according to God.

Not according to God, but according to the Jewish People.

The 14th day of the first month is The Passover. Lev. 23:5

Jesus was crucified on The Passover. Lk. 22:15 and Jo. 13:1

Wrong! Jesus was crucified on that Friday, which was the preparation day for the Sabbath. (Mat. 27:62)

The women stayed with Jesus until He was buried. Mat. 27: 60-61 and

Mk. 15:46-47 That was at sun down, beginning the 15th day of the month.

Wrong again! That was sun down beginning the 14th of Nisan. I mean, Friday to Saturday. Read Matthew 27:62 again.

The 15th day of the first month is the First Day of Unleavened Bread.

This is the first annual Sabbath of the year. Lev. 23:6-7.

What you are doing is trying to teach Judaism to the Jew, and it doesn't go that way. The reference in Leviticus to the 15th day of Nisan is about the Lord's Feast, or Pilgrimage Feast, which was celebrated on the second day of Passover at the Temple. It is mentioned in the original in Hebrew in Numbers 28:17. It is no longer celebrated today because it constituted a Temple commandment. It will return perhaps when the Temple is rebuilt.

In Jo. 19:31 This special Sabbath is referred to as a “High Day.” Not a normal

weekly Sabbath.

You can say that again. Every festival that falls on a regular Sabbath, it makes of that Sabbath a "High Day."

Since it was the day after The Passover we know that it was The First Day of Unleavened

Bread.

The first day of unleavened bread is the first day of Passover or 14th of Nisan. There is no day of unleavened bread after the Passover.

Mk. 16:1 Explains that after this Sabbath the women went out and bought spices.

That's true, but how do you explain the fact that the soldiers were there to prevent the approach of any suspect and that the stone was sealed? How could the women anoint Jesus with those spices? Besides, Jews do not dig up a corpse to anoint it. All anointing is for burial and not the other way around. (Mat. 26:12) You have just brought to my nostrils the smell of contradiction.

Lk. 23:56 Shows that after the women bought and prepared the spices they rested on the

next Sabbath according to the commandment. The forth commandment to be exact.

Be careful or you will fabricate another contradiction. Here is how my version of the NT says in Luke: "That was the Day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was about to begin. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed along behind. They saw the tomb and how his body was buried. Then they went home to prepare spices and perfumes, and observed the Sabbath as a day of rest, in accordance with the law." (Luke 23:54-56) Are you trying to trick me?

By the way any day can be a preperation day if it falls the day before any of God's Sabbaths.

You can say that again, for you have confirmed Matthew 27:62; John 19:31
and, last but not least, myself.

Passover is always a preperation day because it always falls the day before the First Day of Unleavened Bread which is the first annual Sabbath of the year.

Please, don't try your luck! I know how much we have to prepare for Passover. But the name of the day is not "The Preparation Day." This is reserved for Friday in Judaism.

 

[Deut 5:29]

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Not according to God, but according to the Jewish People.
Wrong! Jesus was crucified on that Friday, which was the preparation day for the Sabbath. (Mat. 27:62)
Wrong again! That was sun down beginning the 14th of Nisan. I mean, Friday to Saturday. Read Matthew 27:62 again.
What you are doing is trying to teach Judaism to the Jew, and it doesn't go that way. The reference in Leviticus to the 15th day of Nisan is about the Lord's Feast, or Pilgrimage Feast, which was celebrated on the second day of Passover at the Temple. It is mentioned in the original in Hebrew in Numbers 28:17. It is no longer celebrated today because it constituted a Temple commandment. It will return perhaps when the Temple is rebuilt.
You can say that again. Every festival that falls on a regular Sabbath, it makes of that Sabbath a "High Day."
That's true, but how do you explain the fact that the soldiers were there to prevent the approach of any suspect and that the stone was sealed? How could the women anoint Jesus with those spices? Besides, Jews do not dig up a corpse to anoint it. All anointing is for burial and not the other way around. (Mat. 26:12) You have just brought to my nostrils the smell of contradiction.
Be careful or you will fabricate another contradiction. Here is how my version of the NT says in Luke: "That was the Day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was about to begin. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed along behind. They saw the tomb and how his body was buried. Then they went home to prepare spices and perfumes, and observed the Sabbath as a day of rest, in accordance with the law." (Luke 23:54-56) Are you trying to trick me?
You can say that again, for you have confirmed Matthew 27:62; John 19:31
and, last but not least, myself.



Please, don't try your luck! I know how much we have to prepare for Passover. But the name of the day is not "The Preparation Day." This is reserved for Friday in Judaism.

LOL That's the funnest thing I ever read.

 

[Deut 5:29]

If Christ’s prophecy about how long He would be in the grave was wrong …as taught (Fri. evening till Sun morning that would make Christ a liar and we wouldn’t be able to trust Him or the Bible.)
Everything we believe hangs on the precise fulfillment of this prophecy!

The 36 hrs. that, that “Jesus” spent in the grave automatically disqualifies him from being the Jesus of the Bible.


Now in Mat.12:38 Jesus explained what this sign was.
3.) Mat 12:38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying,
“Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.” 39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, andNO sign will be given to it EXCEPT the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was THREE days and THREE nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth.

Now let’s go see what 3 days and 3 nights meant in Jonah’s case.
Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish (three days and three nights.)

The word translated “three” (Strong’s # 7969) means, well...3.
The word translated “days” (Strong’s # 3117) means the hot part of the day, i.e. from sunrise to sunset.
The word translated “nights” (Strong’s # 3915) means away from the light, i.e. night. Sounds like 72 hrs.
Now we could point to other things to show that 3 days and 3 nights means
3 days and 3 nights. Such as the creation account where God plainly calls
the light day and the dark night and He calls a combination of the two the 1st day the 2nd day and so on six times.
Or we could read where Jesus said “are there not 12 hrs. in a day?” and by
implication 12 hrs. in a night.
In studying this subject we must have a basic understanding of God’s annual Sabbaths.
The 1st “Day of Unleavened Bread” is the day after the Passover this explains the 2 Sabbaths mentioned. To learn the basics read Lev. 23.
Passover is always a “preparation day” because the Passover is always the day before the first annual Sabbath of the year. That Sabbath is “The First Day of Unleavened Bread” (Lev.23:4-8) If you every want to understand this you will have to learn about God’s annual “Holy Days” these days are annual Sabbaths. These Sabbaths are also called “High Days” like in Jo.19:31. These things are vital to understand, if you want understand the length of time Christ was in the grave.
Now we know what Jesus said... and we know what He meant...and if we look in 1Cor 15 we read that the Bible says these things happened just like Jesus said.
1Cor 15: 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, (most professing Christians believe that)4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day… according to the Scripture,(but they won’t believe that) Boggles the mind doesn’t it ?
Now that we know what the Scriptures say would happen and that the Scriptures say it did happen just that way…We should be able to follow the story thread if we read the various Scriptures on the subject…

So let’s read the story straight through.

I’m sure you can find these scriptures with just a little reading of the accounts in Mat. Mk. Lk. and Jo.

31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, (the Passover) that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day,) the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

32 Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him.

33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.

38 After this, Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took the body of Jesus.

39 And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, of about a hundred pounds.

53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before.

54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near. (So that would be late in the afternoon on the Passover.)

55 And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid.

1 Now when the Sabbath was past, (the 1st Day of Unleavened Bread) Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.

56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath (that is the weekly Sabbath) according to the commandment. (The 4th commandment.)

1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

3 And they said among themselves, “Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?” 4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away—for it was very large.

2And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, (sometime before they got there)for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. (NAS)

3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments.

5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead?

6 He is not here, but is risen! (Past Tense) Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee:

7 saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”

7 Go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him.”

8 So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.

So let’s review…Jesus was crucified and died according to the Scriptures.

2nd He was buried on Passover evening (Wednesday) just before the First Day of Unleavened Bread began. (Thursday)

3rd When that annual Sabbath ended 1 night and 1 day had past.

4th During the daylight portion of the following day the women bought spices and prepared them. That evening 1 more night and 1 more day had past.

5th Then they rested on the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) and by the time the weekly Sabbath was over 1 more night and 1 more day had past. That is 3 days and 3 nights.

Then about 12 hrs. later the women went to the tomb only to have an angel tell them that Jesus had risen as He had saidHe would. 72 Hours after His burial.
Jesus was right again; imagine that!!
If one can count to three they can understand this simple truth.

 

[Ben007]

LOL That's the funnest thing I ever read.

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Good! As long as you have learned something new for yourself, my purpose has been accomplished.

 

[Ben007]

If Christ’s prophecy about how long He would be in the grave was wrong …as taught (Fri. evening till Sun morning that would make Christ a liar and we wouldn’t be able to trust Him or the Bible.)
Everything we believe hangs on the precise fulfillment of this prophecy!

The 36 hrs. that, that “Jesus” spent in the grave automatically disqualifies him from being the Jesus of the Bible.


Now in Mat.12:38 Jesus explained what this sign was.
3.) Mat 12:38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying,
“Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.” 39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, andNO sign will be given to it EXCEPT the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was THREE days and THREE nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth.

Now let’s go see what 3 days and 3 nights meant in Jonah’s case.
Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish (three days and three nights.)

The word translated “three” (Strong’s # 7969) means, well...3.
The word translated “days” (Strong’s # 3117) means the hot part of the day, i.e. from sunrise to sunset.
The word translated “nights” (Strong’s # 3915) means away from the light, i.e. night. Sounds like 72 hrs.
Now we could point to other things to show that 3 days and 3 nights means
3 days and 3 nights. Such as the creation account where God plainly calls
the light day and the dark night and He calls a combination of the two the 1st day the 2nd day and so on six times.
Or we could read where Jesus said “are there not 12 hrs. in a day?” and by
implication 12 hrs. in a night.
In studying this subject we must have a basic understanding of God’s annual Sabbaths.
The 1st “Day of Unleavened Bread” is the day after the Passover this explains the 2 Sabbaths mentioned. To learn the basics read Lev. 23.
Passover is always a “preparation day” because the Passover is always the day before the first annual Sabbath of the year. That Sabbath is “The First Day of Unleavened Bread” (Lev.23:4-8) If you every want to understand this you will have to learn about God’s annual “Holy Days” these days are annual Sabbaths. These Sabbaths are also called “High Days” like in Jo.19:31. These things are vital to understand, if you want understand the length of time Christ was in the grave.
Now we know what Jesus said... and we know what He meant...and if we look in 1Cor 15 we read that the Bible says these things happened just like Jesus said.
1Cor 15: 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, (most professing Christians believe that)4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day… according to the Scripture,(but they won’t believe that) Boggles the mind doesn’t it ?
Now that we know what the Scriptures say would happen and that the Scriptures say it did happen just that way…We should be able to follow the story thread if we read the various Scriptures on the subject…

So let’s read the story straight through.

I’m sure you can find these scriptures with just a little reading of the accounts in Mat. Mk. Lk. and Jo.

31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, (the Passover) that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day,) the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

32 Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him.

33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.

38 After this, Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took the body of Jesus.

39 And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, of about a hundred pounds.

53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before.

54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near. (So that would be late in the afternoon on the Passover.)

55 And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid.

1 Now when the Sabbath was past, (the 1st Day of Unleavened Bread) Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.

56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath (that is the weekly Sabbath) according to the commandment. (The 4th commandment.)

1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

3 And they said among themselves, “Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?” 4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away—for it was very large.

2And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, (sometime before they got there)for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. (NAS)

3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments.

5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead?

6 He is not here, but is risen! (Past Tense) Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee:

7 saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”

7 Go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him.”

8 So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.

So let’s review…Jesus was crucified and died according to the Scriptures.

2nd He was buried on Passover evening (Wednesday) just before the First Day of Unleavened Bread began. (Thursday)

3rd When that annual Sabbath ended 1 night and 1 day had past.

4th During the daylight portion of the following day the women bought spices and prepared them. That evening 1 more night and 1 more day had past.

5th Then they rested on the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) and by the time the weekly Sabbath was over 1 more night and 1 more day had past. That is 3 days and 3 nights.

Then about 12 hrs. later the women went to the tomb only to have an angel tell them that Jesus had risen as He had saidHe would. 72 Hours after His burial.
Jesus was right again; imagine that!!
If one can count to three they can understand this simple truth.

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As I can see, you haven't learned a thing from the previous reply above. You continue to argue without common sense. I am giving you first-hand
information according to Judaism, which was the Faith of Jesus, but it finds no shelter in your mind.

 

[Standing Up]

Wrong! Jesus was crucified on that Friday, which was the preparation day for the Sabbath. (Mat. 27:62)

Read it carefully and in sequence.

Mt. 26:20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

Evening/sunset begins Passover. They eat. Go to the garden. Jesus is arrested.

Mt. 27:1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:

Morning begins crucifixion. 3pm Jesus dies.

Now Mt. 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:

Evening/sunset had come. New day had begun wherein they bury Jesus.

Christ died on the 14th Thursday.
Christ was buried on the 15th Friday preparation day.

Be careful or you will fabricate another contradiction. Here is how my version of the NT says in Luke: "That was the Day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was about to begin. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed along behind. They saw the tomb and how his body was buried. Then they went home to prepare spices and perfumes, and observed the Sabbath as a day of rest, in accordance with the law." (Luke 23:54-56) Are you trying to trick me?

The two verbs in Lk. 23:54 are in the same tense, imperfect. It means the action began in the past and continues. So this is how it should have been translated.

That was the day of preparation (Friday burial) and the sabbath was begun (high sabbath first day feast of unleavened bread on Friday).

So putting the two together.

SUNSET-
Mt. 26:20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

Evening/sunset begins Passover. They eat. Go to the garden. Jesus is arrested.

Mt. 27:1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:

Morning begins crucifixion. 3pm Jesus dies.

SUNSET-
Now Mt. 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
Lk. 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath (had begun).

Evening/sunset had come. New day had begun wherein they bury Jesus on Friday the 15th, preparation day.

 

[Deut 5:29]

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As I can see, you haven't learned a thing from the previous reply above. You continue to argue without common sense. I am giving you first-hand
information according to Judaism, which was the Faith of Jesus, but it finds no shelter in your mind.

You don't let facts get in your way, do you?
The fact that the women bought spices and prepared them after one Sabbath and then rested on the next Sabbath doesn't even phase you.

The simple fact is there were two Sabbaths that week.

You simply follow traditions of men.
You don't even care what God says.
This is easy as 1, 2, 3.

 

[Ben007]

You don't let facts get in your way, do you?
The fact that the women bought spices and prepared them after one Sabbath and then rested on the next Sabbath doesn't even phase you.

The simple fact is there were two Sabbaths that week.

You simply follow traditions of men.
You don't even care what God says.
This is easy as 1, 2, 3.

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There was only one Sabbath that week. And that was a high Sabbath only for the reason that 14th of Nisan or Passover fell on the Sabbath. Read again Matthew 27:62 and John 19:31. These quotes are so clear that I wonder about you. You are inventing that the women rested on the "next" Sabbath, when there was no second Sabbath that week. You must be joking or thinking that I will take your word for it, especially when you are trying to adulterate your own NT record.

 

[Ben007]

Christ died on the 14th Thursday.

Christ was buried on the 15th Friday preparation day.

No, that's wrong. Jesus was crucified on the Preparation Day, which is Friday. And it is confirmed by Matthew 27:62 and John 19:31. You are contradicting your own NT text. It doesn't help to trick around in order to absolve Matthew 12:40. Might as well admit the blunder and leave as it is.

That was the day of preparation (Friday burial) and the sabbath was begun (high sabbath first day feast of unleavened bread on Friday).

Wrong again! The first day feast of unleavened bread was not Friday but Saturday. Don't forget that the day starts with sunset. So, the feast or "Seder Meal" was held after sunset that Friday, which was Sabbath already.

Evening/sunset begins Passover. They eat. Go to the garden. Jesus is arrested.

You continue wrong. Jesus was a Jewish man who lived according to his Faith, which was Judaism. He could not celebrate Passover before the 14th
of Nisan. You have no choice but to admit that he missed that Passover.

Evening/sunset had come. New day had begun wherein they bury Jesus on Friday the 15th, preparation day.

That Friday was the 13th of Nisan and not the 15th. You are argueing against a Jew about Judaism and against Matthew 27:62 and John 19:31. I wonder why.

 

[Standing Up]

No, that's wrong. Jesus was crucified on the Preparation Day, which is Friday. And it is confirmed by Matthew 27:62 and John 19:31. You are contradicting your own NT text. It doesn't help to trick around in order to absolve Matthew 12:40. Might as well admit the blunder and leave as it is.

Read it slowly and carefully. There are no contradictions, only blindness.

Mt. 26:20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.
Evening/sunset begins Passover on the 14th. They eat. Go to the garden. Jesus is arrested.

Mt. 27:1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:
Morning begins crucifixion.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Christ dies about 3pm.


Now Mt. 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
Evening/sunset had come. New day had begun wherein they bury Jesus.
Lk. 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath (had begun).
John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

As all can see, but not believe, the day of crucifixion is different from the day of burial.

Thursday-14th-Passover, Christ crucified
Friday-15th-high sabbath, Christ buried
Sabbath-16th, Christ resurrected.

 

[Ben007]

Read it slowly and carefully. There are no contradictions, only blindness.

Mt. 26:20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.
Evening/sunset begins Passover on the 14th. They eat. Go to the garden. Jesus is arrested.

Mt. 27:1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:
Morning begins crucifixion.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Christ dies about 3pm.


Now Mt. 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
Evening/sunset had come. New day had begun wherein they bury Jesus.
Lk. 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath (had begun).
John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

As all can see, but not believe, the day of crucifixion is different from the day of burial.

Thursday-14th-Passover, Christ crucified
Friday-15th-high sabbath, Christ buried
Sabbath-16th, Christ resurrected.

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Sorry Standing up, but all of the above contradict Matthew 27:62 and John 19:31. What made that Sabbath a High Sabbath was the fact that the Passover festival fell on the Sabbath. Therefore, the 14th of Nisan was on Saturday and not on Thursday. Probably, the guy who wrote the gospel of Matthew was a Gentile who wrote it from outside Israel and had a very poor knowledge of Jewish culture and customs.

 

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Sorry Standing up, but all of the above contradict Matthew 27:62 and John 19:31. What made that Sabbath a High Sabbath was the fact that the Passover festival fell on the Sabbath. Therefore, the 14th of Nisan was on Saturday and not on Thursday. Probably, the guy who wrote the gospel of Matthew was a Gentile who wrote it from outside Israel and had a very poor knowledge of Jewish culture and customs.

First, the gospel of john talks about another high sabbath. The greek for "high" is megas. It is also translated "great". A megas sabbath is one of the seven feast sabbaths. It has nothing to do with the weekly sabbath.

Second, if you dig out your mishna and read it, you will find it confirms everything I've said. They call the passover of Christ the "egyptian" one. After the Temple destruction, they changed things. You, and quite frankly, the Christianity you're accusing of a hoax, learned the changed way of things, rather than the other.

So, as you read these things, ask God to open eyes to the truth.

 

[Ben007]

First, the gospel of john talks about another high sabbath. The greek for "high" is megas. It is also translated "great". A megas sabbath is one of the seven feast sabbaths. It has nothing to do with the weekly sabbath.

Second, if you dig out your mishna and read it, you will find it confirms everything I've said. They call the passover of Christ the "egyptian" one. After the Temple destruction, they changed things. You, and quite frankly, the Christianity you're accusing of a hoax, learned the changed way of things, rather than the other.

So, as you read these things, ask God to open eyes to the truth.

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The problem with you Standing up, is that you have taken upon yourself to teach Judaism to the Jew, and it doesn't go that way. A high or solemn
Sabbath is when a festival falls on the regular Sabbath. We might as well rest our case on this one, because it is taking us nowhere.

 

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The problem with you Standing up, is that you have taken upon yourself to teach Judaism to the Jew, and it doesn't go that way. A high or solemn
Sabbath is when a festival falls on the regular Sabbath. We might as well rest our case on this one, because it is taking us nowhere.

Funny story. I was arguing with a Rabbit about this subject and telling him that since the diaspora (see 2 chron.) through Jesus' time (see acts) until even today (as it turns out), the Jews celebrate back-to-back passovers. He pooh-poohed me. I hadn't researched it, just simply believed scripture. About a day or two later, he finally confessed and agreed!

John 7:37 On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink.

I don't know where you learned it, but from scripture great/high sabbaths are simply one of the 7 feast days (Lev. 23). They have nothing to do with overlaying a weekly sabbath.

Jn. 19:31 Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for [fn] that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Take care--

 

[Ben007]

Funny story. I was arguing with a Rabbit about this subject and telling him that since the diaspora (see 2 chron.) through Jesus' time (see acts) until even today (as it turns out), the Jews celebrate back-to-back passovers. He pooh-poohed me. I hadn't researched it, just simply believed scripture. About a day or two later, he finally confessed and agreed!

John 7:37 On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink.

I don't know where you learned it, but from scripture great/high sabbaths are simply one of the 7 feast days (Lev. 23). They have nothing to do with overlaying a weekly sabbath.

Jn. 19:31 Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for [fn] that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Take care--

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Leviticus 23 has nothing to do with what you say above. Festivals are to be observed as a sabbath, but not the weekly Sabbath. In Hebrew a High Sabbath is called a Shabatton. That's when a festival falls on the weekly Sabbath.
Yes, take care you too.

 

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Leviticus 23 has nothing to do with what you say above. Festivals are to be observed as a sabbath, but not the weekly Sabbath. In Hebrew a High Sabbath is called a Shabatton. That's when a festival falls on the weekly Sabbath.
Yes, take care you too.

There's nothing in scripture that defines a high sabbath as a feast that falls on a weekly sabbath.

Shabatton-

1) Sabbath observance, sabbatism
a) of weekly sabbath
b) day of atonement
c) sabbatical year
d) of Feast of Trumpets
e) of the 1st and last days of the Feast of Tabernacles

By Jesus' time, the first and last days of Feast of Unleavened Bread are also considered high/megas sabbaths.

Holy convocation days are high sabbaths.

 

[Ben007]

By Jesus' time, the first and last days of Feast of Unleavened Bread are also considered high/megas sabbaths.

Holy convocation days are high sabbaths.

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Not only by Jesus' time. Even today, the first and last days of Passover are considered sabbaths but not the Sabbath or high sabbath. Only if it falls on the weekly Sabbath. And I agree with you that those sabbaths are for holy convocations.

 

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Not only by Jesus' time. Even today, the first and last days of Passover are considered sabbaths but not the Sabbath or high sabbath. Only if it falls on the weekly Sabbath. And I agree with you that those sabbaths are for holy convocations.

Well, I showed the gospel of John saying high/great sabbath for two of those feast days without regard to a weekly sabbath.

But tell me, where do you find that association you hold that a feast sabbath is a high sabbath only if it falls on a weekly sabbath?

 

[Ben007]

Well, I showed the gospel of John saying high/great sabbath for two of those feast days without regard to a weekly sabbath.

But tell me, where do you find that association you hold that a feast sabbath is a high sabbath only if it falls on a weekly sabbath?

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I could very well tell you to take my word for it, because I am Jewish and we are talking about Jewish culture and customs. I prefer to use your own NT to confirm what I am talking about. I have two versions of the Bible here with me. The Catholic version of the New American Bible and the King James version. Both have Matthew and John using the right term we still use today. The sixth day of the week as the Preparation Day, being the next day the Sabbath. In the NAB John calls that Sabbath a solemn Sabbath because it coincided with the Passover. Te KJV has John calling that Sabbath a High Sabbath for the same reason.

Regarding John calling high or great two of those sabbaths, that's what they were. We keep two days as if they were sabbaths. The first and the last of Passover. The 14th of Nisan was on a weekly Sabbath, as well as the last, 21st of Nisan. Therefore, both were high Sabbaths. We still observe them as such. Only that John's reference in 7:37 has nothing to do with the Passover. At the end of that Passover there were already seven days that Jesus had been crucified. You are either confused yourself or trying to trick me. If Jesus missed that Passover on the 14th of Nisan, he had been long gone on the last day of that Passover.