The Hittites

[JohnR7]

I am a little disappointed that no one seems to want to put any sort of effort into doing a study on the Hittites. It would seem that science has the most to gain from this one.

It seems the Hittites showed up about 4000 years ago, in what is now modern Turkey. They were a fierce people, dreaded even by the Egyptians for their abilty to fight a war with their chariots. They had developed iron, they had a system of astronomy, they invented the first iron and wood wheel, and most important of all, they were farmers. With their ability to wage a war, they took over some of the best farm land available at the time, and managed to hold onto it for at least 1000 years.

Christians have long believed that they most likly decended from Noah through his son Ham. But there is evidence in Egypt, that the Hittites were a yellow skinned Mongolian people. So it seems to me that evolutionists would have the most to gain, if they could show that the Hittites were an Asian people who migrated to the furtile cresent from the east, and did not decend from Noah at all.

It would look to me like evolutionists do not want to back up what they say with any real evidence. Just a lot of speculation. But with all the DNA research looking into the genologys of man. Science is going to need to get over their generalities and start to get their findings to line up with what we already historically know from Anthropology and Archeology and ancient written records.

The Chaldean's and the Assyrian's go back just about as far as the Hittites do, and there are still quite a few Chaldeans and Assyrians alive in Iraq today. In fact the capital of Chaldea: Ur is said to be one of the best preserved ancient cities today.

 

 

[Arikay]

Well, the Iron age is thought to have started around 1000 B.C.E or 3000 years ago. One interesting thing is that it is believed that steel was stumbled apon during the Iron age, but no one realized what they had, or why it happend, but some "iron" weapons could also be classified as Low carbon steel.

"It would look to me like evolutionists do not want to back up what they say with any real evidence. "

Please, tell me the claims that evolutionists are not backing up?

Today at 02:52 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #1

I am a little disappointed that no one seems to want to put any sort of effort into doing a study on the Hittites. It would seem that science has the most to gain from this one.

It seems the Hittites showed up about 4000 years ago, in what is now modern Turkey. They were a fierce people, dreaded even by the Egyptians for their abilty to fight a war with their chariots. They had developed iron, they had a system of astronomy, they invented the first iron and wood wheel, and most important of all, they were farmers. With their ability to wage a war, they took over some of the best farm land available at the time, and managed to hold onto it for at least 1000 years.

Christians have long believed that they most likly decended from Noah through his son Ham. But there is evidence in Egypt, that the Hittites were a yellow skinned Mongolian people. So it seems to me that evolutionists would have the most to gain, if they could show that the Hittites were an Asian people who migrated to the furtile cresent from the east, and did not decend from Noah at all.

It would look to me like evolutionists do not want to back up what they say with any real evidence. Just a lot of speculation. But with all the DNA research looking into the genologys of man. Science is going to need to get over their generalities and start to get their findings to line up with what we already historically know from Anthropology and Archeology and ancient written records.

The Chaldean's and the Assyrian's go back just about as far as the Hittites do, and there are still quite a few Chaldeans and Assyrians alive in Iraq today. In fact the capital of Chaldea: Ur is said to be one of the best preserved ancient cities today.

 

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 06:16 AM Arikay said this in Post #2

Well, the Iron age is thought to have started around 1000 B.C.E or 3000 years ago.

You need to study your history a little bit better than that. The iron age goes back at least 4000 years.

One interesting thing is that it is believed that steel was stumbled apon during the Iron age, but no one realized what they had, or why it happend, but some "iron" weapons could also be classified as Low carbon steel.

It has a lot to do with the furnice and how hot you can get it. If you can only get it up to 7 or 800 degrees, your not going to have as pure of iron as you can get at 1000 degrees. Also, it has to do with the quality of the iron you get out of the ground. The best iron comes from Germany, the Philippines and Eastern America. That is one of the main reasons Japan attacked the Philippines during the war, was they wanted their natural resources.

"It would look to me like evolutionists do not want to back up what they say with any real evidence. "

Their claim that 4/5 of the people of Europe did not decend from Adam and Eve. Although they learned from them and were influenced by their decendants.

With what we know about DNA, it should not be hard to prove that not everyone alive today decended from Adam and Eve. If what they are saying is true.

 

[Arikay]

And what type of fuel and forge they were using. Quite often, a coal fueled forge would empart some of its carbon to the iron, making it a low carbon piece of steel.

Can you give me a link, all of the information ive found says the Iron age starts at around 1000 B.C.E.

Their claim that 4/5 of the people of Europe did not decend from Adam and Eve. Although they learned from them and were influenced by their decendants.

Um, are you sure evolutionists are making this claim?

Today at 05:30 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #3



You need to study your history a little bit better than that. The iron age goes back at least 4000 years.



It has a lot to do with the furnice and how hot you can get it. If you can only get it up to 7 or 800 degrees, your not going to have as pure of iron as you can get at 1000 degrees. Also, it has to do with the quality of the iron you get out of the ground. The best iron comes from Germany, the Philippines and Eastern America. That is one of the main reasons Japan attacked the Philippines during the war, was they wanted their natural resources.





Their claim that 4/5 of the people of Europe did not decend from Adam and Eve. Although they learned from them and were influenced by their decendants.

With what we know about DNA, it should not be hard to prove that not everyone alive today decended from Adam and Eve. If what they are saying is true.

 

[Zadok001]

"Their claim that 4/5 of the people of Europe did not decend from Adam and Eve. Although they learned from them and were influenced by their decendants."

Evolutionists don't make that claim. YOU make that claim. Burden of proof is on you to prove that 4/5 of Europe descended from Adam and Eve.

How could you possibly think the burden of proof from that claim falls on evolutionists, rather than on those who make the claim?

 

[Zadok001]

Oh, and guys? 1000 BCE is 3000 years ago, which isn't far from John's estimate.

 

[paulewog]

/me wonders what "B.C.E." is

 

[The Barbarian]

Incidentally, the Hittites spoke (and wrote; we can read their writing) in an Indo-European language. It is highly unlikely that they would have been mongoloid in appearance. They are members of the same linguistic group as modern Europeans, and Northern Asians are generally of the Sino-Tibetan group.

 

[Osthuvud]

Hi Arikay:

You asked:

Please, tell me the claims that evolutionists are not backing up.

I am not trying to side track this thread, but could you please briefly outline how the evolutionary process has taken place, and what evidence there is for this.

This isn't tongue in cheek.  I really am interested.

Thanks

 

[Arikay]

Maybe start a new thread, as im sure many people wouldnt mind posting evidence.

Some quick bit overview of some of the evidence,

The fossil record (which has less gaps than many creationists think).
Genetic information
Observed Speciation

Just a few.

But I would say to start a new thread about it.

Today at 01:21 PM Osthuvud said this in Post #9

Hi Arikay:

You asked:



I am not trying to side track this thread, but could you please briefly outline how the evolutionary process has taken place, and what evidence there is for this.

This isn't tongue in cheek.  I really am interested.

Thanks

 

[gentu]

Today at 08:51 PM paulewog said this in Post #7

* paulewog wonders what "B.C.E." is

It's a politically correct way of saying "Before Christ." It means "Before Common Era," which incidentally coincides with the birth of Christ. It's still the same calendar system.

 

[Osthuvud]

Today at 05:18 PM Arikay said this in Post #10

Maybe start a new thread, as im sure many people wouldnt mind posting evidence.

Some quick bit overview of some of the evidence,

The fossil record (which has less gaps than many creationists think).
Genetic information
Observed Speciation

Just a few.

But I would say to start a new thread about it.

 

Thanks, Arikay

 

[WinAce]

Today at 04:21 PM Osthuvud said this in Post #9

I am not trying to side track this thread, but could you please briefly outline how the evolutionary process has taken place, and what evidence there is for this.

For some of the evidence, see the link in my signature.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 03:09 PM Arikay said this in Post #4 

Can you give me a link, all of the information ive found says the Iron age starts at around 1000 B.C.E.

http://www.mccallie.org/history/rodle/WH1/2002/Student%20Websites/polley,mcneil/hIttites%20technology.htm

The Hittites showed up in what is now Turkey around 2000 bc or a little before. That area was under water in 2300 bc, so it could not have been before that. They had iron swords and they were the first to use horses and they had chariots with iron and wood wheels. Iron began to show up around 1500 bc in Egypt, then as you say, around 1000 bc, just about everyone was making things out of iron. As iron sword will break a bronze sword. So the Hittites tried to keep it a secret how to produce the better swords. That way they had an advantage over the other nations and they were able to hold onto the better farm land.



 

 

[Arikay]

Interesting information.

One thing to correct is that an Iron sword wont always break a bronze sword. Bronze swords were quite often soft and would end up damaging themselves on their own. Because of this, very rarly would swords be used to fight against another sword, but against a shield, as it offered much more protection than the weak swords. So the iron swords would still be facing wood shields. The iron of the time was also not too strong. Which is why later Iron and steel using civilizations created Patern welding and Wootz.

Today at 08:05 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #14



http://www.mccallie.org/history/rodle/WH1/2002/Student%20Websites/polley,mcneil/hIttites%20technology.htm

The Hittites showed up in what is now Turkey around 2000 bc or a little before. That area was under water in 2300 bc, so it could not have been before that. They had iron swords and they were the first to use horses and they had chariots with iron and wood wheels. Iron began to show up around 1500 bc in Egypt, then as you say, around 1000 bc, just about everyone was making things out of iron. As iron sword will break a bronze sword. So the Hittites tried to keep it a secret how to produce the better swords. That way they had an advantage over the other nations and they were able to hold onto the better farm land.



 

 

[Arikay]

Another random sword fun. One of the reasons Iron is considered better than bronze isnt just the strength, but the strength to weight ratio. Making for lighter swords than the rather heft bronze swords (well, hefty compared to iron or steel.).

 

[LewisWildermuth]

What make you think that there are not any scientists studying the Hittites?

Last I heard there are several active digs in Turkey as we speak.

And what about the Hittites would topple the Theory of Evolution?

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 12:44 AM Arikay said this in Post #15 

One thing to correct is that an Iron sword wont always break a bronze sword.

There is not really that many knives today that will pass the test.

 

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 04:19 AM LewisWildermuth said this in Post #17

And what about the Hittites would topple the Theory of Evolution?

The question is: Are the Hittites a decendant of Noah son Ham or not? For now, the evidence seems to indicate that they are.

So, that would mean man did not evolve, he was created.

 

[Arikay]

What does this test of to do with early iron swords compared to bronze swords?

Sorry to tell you John, but the coin puncturing "test" isnt too special or too hard of a test for a knife or sword to pass. Its not considered a real test but more of a Show.

Today at 01:32 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #18



There is not really that many knives today that will pass the test.