It is, to the Jews. There is zero evidence that anyone from Adam up until the exodus from Egypt, kept the Sabbath, nor that it was a requirement.Bottom line---the Sabbath is a commandment
The writer of a book decides what it says, what it means.
The New Covenant was made with the house of Israel too. Jeremiah 31:31-33 Jesus was king of the Jews and made Sabbath just for them. Mark 2:27 Sabbath was made for man. I guess Jesus meant to say Jews. Weird God would have one will for Jews and one will for everyone else despite being told in scripture there is only one Gospel. Jesus taught about the Sabbath throughout the NT- but I guess those examples are meant only for Jews too. Best to just toss the Bible out because according to your philosophy it wasn’t written for you. Meanwhile, since I am of God’s people and part of God’s Israel (spiritually) I will continue to believe in the whole bible, not just parts of it that I feel do not apply to me. We will be worshipping Jesus on the New Earth on His Sabbath Isaiah 66:23 so I guess Jesus is only saving Jews or do you think heaven will be segregated -Jews worship Him on Sabbath on the New Earth and everyone else any day they choose? How confusing would that be? There will be no sin in Heaven which is why Lucifer was tossed out. God kept the Ten Commandments in the most holy of holy in His Temple, by design. It’s His will which includes the 4th commandment that is the only commandment that has the word “holy” in it and the only one God specifically said “REMEMBER”.And who it is for.
Exo 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
I could care less what anyone's opinion is----God's command trumps anyone's opinion. I will do as God says---you are certainly free to do as you please.
The New Covenant was made with the house of Israel too. Jeremiah 31:31-33 Jesus was king of the Jews and made Sabbath just for them. Mark 2:27 Sabbath was made for man. I guess Jesus meant to say Jews. Weird God would have one will for Jews and one will for everyone else despite being told in scripture there is only one Gospel. Jesus taught about the Sabbath throughout the NT- but I guess those examples are meant only for Jews too. Best to just toss the Bible out because it wasn’t written for you. Meanwhile, since I am of God’s people and part of God’s Israel (spiritually) I will continue to believe in the whole bible, not just parts of it that I feel do not apply to me. We will be worshipping Him on the New Earth on His Sabbath Isaiah 66:23 so I guess Jesus is only saving Jews or do you think heaven will be segregated -Jews worship Him on Sabbath on the New Earth and everyone else any day they choose?
I switched one word on a scripture because I quoted by memory and corrected it and told you I corrected it and you’re now really going to bring this up again? The scripture in question Mark 2:27 proves the very post you are responding to that the Sabbath was made for man, which means all, the typo in my post did not change the sentiment in my post, but I appreciate you pointing the typo out now for the second time.First of all, that’s debatable - there may be only two commandments. But secondly, as reflected by the fact that one Sabbatarian member actually reversed the statement of Jesus Christ that the Sabbath was made for man, not vice versa, and claimed man was made for the Sabbath, not vice versa, there is much Biblical evidence to suggest your interpretation of that commandment is wrong. And thirdly, your statement that observing the Sabbath is required for salvation contradicts the New Testament almost entirely.
Why do you and other Sabbatarian members keep ignoring New Testament verses we posted and then complain about us not quoting the Bible? Why aren’t we talking about John 3:16? Why did someone imply they did not believe Matthew 16:18 and the divinely delegated authority of clergy to bind and loose sins? Why won’t anyone engage with 2 Thessalonians where St. Paul says not to judge people on, among other things, their observance of Sabbaths?
Sin is defined in other ways also, not just transgression of the law.Also, maybe you can quote where I have ever said keeping the Sabbath is a requirement for salvation. Sin is defined by breaking God's laws. 1 John 3:4
Correct.The 4th commandment is part of God's laws.
Could you explain this comment of yours.We are not saved by our works (actions) we are judged by them according to scripture. We are saved by God's grace (His gift) though our faith.
I am surprised you agree that sin is defined as transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 and I agree with you, it's defined in other ways too. According to scripture James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.Sin is defined in other ways also, not just transgression of the law.
We are not saved by works but we are judged by them. We are saved by God's grace.
Are you saying that if we sin or have no works, then God's grace is insufficient to save?
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No wonder He tells us that for all eternity after the cross, in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
Still not quoting the whole text Bob?
Adventists don't believe that in the new heaven and new earth there will be dead bodies
Weird God would have one will for Jews and one will for everyone else despite being told in scripture there is only one Gospel. Jesus taught about the Sabbath throughout the NT- but I guess those examples are meant only for Jews too. Best to just toss the Bible out because according to your philosophy it wasn’t written for you. Meanwhile, since I am of God’s people and part of God’s Israel (spiritually) I will continue to believe in the whole bible, not just parts of it that I feel do not apply to me.
We will be worshipping Jesus on the New Earth on His Sabbath Isaiah 66:23 so I guess Jesus is only saving Jews or do you think heaven will be segregated -Jews worship Him on Sabbath on the New Earth and everyone else any day they choose? How confusing would that be?
There will be no sin in Heaven which is why Lucifer was tossed out. God kept the Ten Commandments in the most holy of holy in His Temple, by design. It’s His will which includes the 4th commandment that is the only commandment that has the word “holy” in it and the only one God specifically said “REMEMBER”.
And who it is for.
Exo 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Already posted responses on most of that. There is one gospel. And gentiles are included in the promises per Peter. However, the council made it clear that gentiles didn't have to follow the law of Moses.
Moreover, Adventists do not in fact do all of the Bible, or all that was required of Israel. The following are statutes forever for Israel:
Lev 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute
forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Yes I like sticking with the main salient point applicable to the discussion.
So that means when discussing the info about Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12 - I don't jump back to "King of Babylon" in Isaiah 14:4 - so as not to spin the reader around on the point that OT types work that way with local events and characters while they point specifically at future macro salvation history details.
It means I don't jump back to "king of Tyre" in Ez 28:11 when he gives information about "The covering Cherub" "created perfect" in Ez 28:13-19 - so as not to spin the reader around on the point that OT types work that way with local events and characters while they point specifically at future macro salvation history details.
Which means we get to "focus on the details" of Is 66:23 that some are so anxious not to highlight.
Isa 66:23 from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
How interesting that in the New Earth it is "ALL MANKIND" keeping the Sabbath and that there are TWO cycles (monthly AND weekly) in the New Earth where as there is only one cycle now - weekly
We do believe that it will be here on Earth and the dust and ashes that remain of those dead bodies will still exist in the New Earth. A side trivia point obviously - but as good as any if one is not all that interested in the main inconvenient details of vs 23.
And as we see in Isaiah 65 - Isaiah was not predicting only-doom for Israel since the 490 years of probation for the nation of Israel mentioned in Dan 9 had not ended. All the more "side details" if we don't want to look at vs 23.
Kind of like Jeremiah telling us that the New Covenant is just for Israel and Judah Jer 31:3-34 (unchanged in the NT - Heb 8:6-12)
But as we see - the Sabbath is for all mankind Mark 2:27 Is 66:23 - and Israel is part of mankind.
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
I am arguing with your narrow minded interpretation.
May I be so bold as to make a point of grammar, regarding what is getting to be a very common error, and may be useful some day. . ."Should of" is "should have" or "should've."Yes, I could have phrased that better, I wasn’t meaning to be offensive. I do not understand your interpretation of some scriptures, but I should of stated that in a different way. My apologies. God bless.
I quoted it for those interested. I also quoted God's command giving the Sabbath to Israel as a sign with them, of sanctification (which is future, not just past), of redemption, and of creation. And I noted that it is one of the appointed times with sacrifices. It is not one of the commands that was given that man might live, but a sign with Israel in the covenant made with them of the Lord's authority over them.
And I noted Colossians 2 that it is in the listing of appointed times with reference to food and drink offerings, and is a shadow pointing to Christ.
And I noted that Romans 14 makes it plain not to judge.
It is, to the Jews. There is zero evidence that anyone from Adam up until the exodus from Egypt, kept the Sabbath, nor that it was a requirement.
The point is that your interpretation of God’s command is wrong, and these quotes from early Church Fathers, who all predated Constantine, expose the Adventist idea that Constantine was responsible for Sunday worship and that it was not mainstream before his rule, to be nonsense, as of course does the fact that the Assyrian Church of the East, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, the Armenian Orthodox Church, the Georgian Orthodox Church, and the St. Thomas Christians in Malankara, India, such as the Indian Orthodox Church and the Malankara Jacobite Orthodox Church, all worship on Sunday.
One early SDA scholar tried to claim that one of them was Sabbatarian, which was amusing to me, because I am infinitely familiar with those churches.
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