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The Healing Codes - Is it biblical ?

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[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]I've been listening to and reading through the stuff on the healing codes, in the limited time I have available and I am wary of what I'm hearing.[/FONT]


[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]Much of the healing whether it is inner hurts or wounds or mental of physical stuff or a combination of all these things, has been[/FONT][FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif] available[/FONT] [FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif] from Christian ministries for a long time. I would also add that it is often free of charge – I know there can be expenses in the sense of having to travel to a minister/ministry but apart from that its a free gift of God's grace and that's the way its meant to be. There is so much in the way of Divine healing available theses days that there should be no need to go to someone for healing that is in some way suspect. [/FONT]


[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]As for Asian religions, Eastern mysticism – meditation and martial arts there is healing available in all these things but its source is not in anyway Christian or Christ centred, so who gets the glory?[/FONT]


[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]It might be worth noting that Hank [/FONT][FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]Hanegraaff is into secessionist theology and does not believe in Divine healing, spiritual gifts etc. [/FONT]
 
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Just reading the Spiritual Underpinning article, and not quite finished yet. It definitely gives a really good overview of what Loyd believes. Very helpful.

So far, I have a few particular concerns that have become the most prominent in my mind.. . He says that our sins come from believing lies from Satan and distrusting God. But what about our fallen natures ? The prayer said before the Healing codes, has absolutely no mention of our need for repentance and forgiveness of sin. That kind of puts a red flag up for me, because if one uses the Healing Codes for their' heart issues' (and are having success ie. getting healed) where would there be any need to repent ? Why would non-Christians also, ever need to repent? If we are able to heal ourselves (as the modality doesn't need any belief system to work) from all our ills and problems without repenting why would we even need a Savior ? Loyd even states that there is a danger with the Healing codes. It can be overdone and you could lose your dependence on God.

It is also interesting to note in relation to the above, is that Loyd speaks only of a God of Love. But God is just not Love!! He is also a God of judgement, wrath and justice. Justice as we could never understand. It is wise to have a healthy fear of God !

As for Christians, he steps back from calling himself one, because of the many atrocities that Christians have been a part of, in the name of Jesus. Yes, Christians have made some bad mistakes.. I guess you can call them Heart Issues.They are called sins... Is any Christian or follower of Jesus exempt ? Not me. Call me a Christian.
 
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Hi Karyn,

I found the 'Spiritual Underpinnings' article at the link I provided, in an earlier post today. Thanks so much for mentioning it because it's really helping me to understand Loyd's views on energy healing, the healing codes and biblical teaching. I don't understand the rationale for this info only being available for those after they have purchased the book/programs, as you seem to know this wasn't supposed to be available for general public knowledge..


Thank you, I had a look at the Success stories at the Healing Codes website. Lots of wonderful healing testimonials, most likely from Christians and non Christians alike. Non-Christians would not have the concerns I am grappling with, certainly.



I don't know who Cynthia Nelson is, I'm sorry..


I don't understand what you mean here.. (cut and paste) Please expand. Thanks!
'Perhaps I am mis-reading what you are writing. Are you saying that unless only Christians can do something that it is somehow bad?'

You are right. Who are we to tell God how He is to heal people? My thoughts however, ran in the way that I felt that because the Bible is the Word of God, this energy healing (which has been associated with eastern religion ) was certainly not like any other methods of conventional healing I had heard of. People have been getting healed without the HC's all this time before (like me :) ) and.. well, God has been around for ages.. He is the one that ultimately heals, which is the major factor , I think, more than avenues of healing. Which brings up another contradiction because Loyd also professes that God is the one who heals..
 
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Hi Tee.

I know that I am the one with the questions and interest in this, so I appreciate you taking the time to read some of the content of these articles on the websites.

I tend to agree with your first comment, because in essense, is it not God anyways, that heals ? The avenue is not so important. If it is His will to heal you, you will be healed..

You make a very good point to ponder, I think, about the point that healing is a free gift of God's grace, and that's the way its meant to be.. We live in a very commercial world..

So, you believe that we can determine whether Energy is safe or dangerous, by the Source. So if the Source is worshipping Buddha or some eastern mysticism ,which we know is false, the energy cannot be driven by God. I'm thinking along with that..God does not deceive.. Loyd on the other hand, believes all energy is from God, and God said it was very good. Since Quantum science is factual, it is what we do with the energy that determines whether it is good or bad. Do we use this energy for a Godly purpose (ie to heal) or not (ie destroy)? Loyd believes that eastern religions used this same good energy but they had a misinterpretation of different interpretation/observation of it's Source. Hmmmmmm..,this is really the crux..:crossrc: Any comments/thoughts/insights would be appreciated.

On to Hank Hanegraaff.. I did not know he does not believe in Divine Healing or Spiritual Gifts.. Never heard of secessionist theology either ! Enlighten me if you want. I found the article from Hank's website, but it is from a different owner, so I am not sure if they have the same opinions as he. I have yet to read all parts... More to come tomorrow..
 
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I found this website:Healing Codes Coaching - master-key-review

There's a newer program on the market by Loyd that's called the Master Key. When used with the Healing Codes it is supposed to be even more powerful than the Healing codes alone. So the Healing Codes were not so powerful ? And, but, wasn't it established that it is God that heals ?

The Immune Master key came about from a child's dream (from link above):

Several years ago, Dr. Alex Loyd received a phone call from a woman. She said, "This will sound crazy, but please just listen. I have a very young child who came to us one morning and told us about a dream. I believe we are supposed to pass on this information to you."In the dream God had come to the young child and he took the child throughout history, showing the child things as if they were happening then. God showed the child detailed historical events. At the end, God gave the child a gift, in the form of several lists of words that would be very healing if used correctly. It should be noted that the child was not religious at all, neither were his parents. In fact, they had mixed religious backgrounds and had tried to expose the young child to different viewpoints.The child shared the historical events with the parents, who were amazed at the intricate details of the events as the child described them. They knew the child had never been exposed to that information from them. They called the child's teachers and other adults and asked if they had talked about such events with the child. The great majority of the events the child (and people exposed to the child) had never been taught. The parents did further research, and confirmed that every detail was true, though even some people with doctorates did not know of certain details.
The parents started using the words the child was given, and experienced incredible results. After a year of using it and praying about it, they contacted Alex Loyd. "Test them and then do whatever you feel you're supposed to," they told him." They gave two conditions: that Alex would never reveal the identity of the child, and that they would never receive a penny in return for this. They did what they felt they were supposed to do with it and that was to be the end of it. They must remain anonymous. So Alex Loyd tested these words in various ways and eventually incorporated them with audios and videos to create the Master Key
 
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You don't know who Cynthia Nelson is and yet you called her an 'apologist'. You don't know who Dr. Loyd is either - one of the 12 categories listed in the book is Forgiveness - Dr. Loyd talks extensively about forgiveness on the free, weekly Cutting Edge as well as in his classes and in the book. Forgiveness isn't just from God - we need to forgive ourselves as well as others too. Having said all this - I cannot continue here because of your narrow and limited beliefs. It's your way or nothing and that certainly is not true. There are people all over the world who do NOT hold your beliefs and many who have been damaged by organized religion as children but who still are followers of Jesus.
 
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[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]I think we are going down the path of some serious heresy here. All the provision we could ever need has been provided by God our Father through our Lord Jesus Christ [/FONT]
[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]in his death on the cross, his resurrection from the dead and his current position at the right of the Father in heaven. Then there is the administrator of the provision the Blessed Holy Spirit. [/FONT]


[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]So why on earth do we need any other extra biblical provisions from the so called healing codes and this so called natural energy. Was the atonement in some way deficient, was the blood of Jesus not quite up to the mark when it came to cleansing [/FONT] [FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]us from our sins and bringing healing to our bodies? And the Holy Spirit who brought creation into being when God said let there be light and who also raised Jesus from the dead – probably the greatest miracle that has ever happened and will ever happen.[/FONT]


[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]My personal opinion of the healing codes and this energy that is said to heal the heart[/FONT][FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif] is its another form of new age healing or modern occultism. [/FONT]


[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]The greatest healing of the heart come when someone is regenerated by the Holy Spirit or is born from above and is literally turned from death to life. [/FONT]
[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]I have to stop writing for now, my time is up... [/FONT]


[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]Blessings,[/FONT]
[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]Tee.[/FONT]

 
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Hi Karyn,

I came here because of the lack of information I found on the internet about the Healing Codes. So thank you for sharing with me your opinions and also information . Please be aware that I can only go about discerning from the information I have, and you have helped me greatly in knowing quite a bit more about the HC's than before.

If you have more information to share on Loyd's theological stance on one's needing repentence and forgiveness from God, that would be very helpful and I would definitely love to see it. The reason being so is because I have not seen that addressed anywhere. When I read the HC's prayer, it has no mention of this at all, even if the heart issue is unforgiveness. All I read is heal me, bless me, and restore me.. This sounds like a vending machine to me and it concerns me.

Lastly, I'm sorry if my questioning of the HC's is offensive to you, because I am not agreeing or satisfied with your opinions.. The issues that are important to you that confirm that the Healing Codes and it's energy are good (for ie. testimonials), is not enough for me to be sure. But again, this does not mean I don't appreciate what you have shared.. Thankyou Karyn.
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Hi Melody, so sorry i have not been able to get back sooner. Have just read the above posts and i need to add some comments. I believe many christians today are battling with certain problems because they are in disobedience to God's Word. They dont want to take responsibility for their 'sin' issues, so they look to other avenues for healing/deliverance etc. To my brother Tee, you are spot on with your replies. I couldnt have said it better. The enemy is a master strategist and must be smiling from ear to ear each time he sees Christians falling away from the truth.Its amazing how many Christians have no idea of Satan's healing power. Only problem is that the healing for the particular ailment occurs but the person ends up with more problems than at first. Regarding God's avenue of healing i find it hard to believe that God would work through an unbeliever; because of the light/dark combination. This so called dream the child had-so many of these are from satan, he's been around a long time and knows alot about past events/people etc. So glad u mentioned God being a God of justice as well. I need to run but must end off with what is higher/greater than God's name-its his Word. Psalm 138 v 2 "for thou has magnified thy Word( 'imrah in hebrew meaning speech, word, utterance) above ALL thy name( 'Shem' in hebrew-meaning reputation, fame, glory, the name of God). Because of great deception these days, my wife and i now say we need to follow whats in God's Word today, and not in what man has to say. All we need is in the Word of God. 2 timothy 3 v16 bears this out. God bless.
 
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Hi Karyn, it often becomes hard for christians these days to discern error from truth. I think its good that melody asks probing questions, just like the bereans did. I believe that if Christ came back physically today and walked our streets preaching and proclaiming exactly what he did 2000 odd yrs ago, he would be regarded as one of the most narrow minded people on the planet. He would tell them to do it his way, or else suffer the consequences. There would be billions worldwide who would not hold to his beliefs. No wonder he said " for narrow is the road and small the gate that leads to life, and only a few there be that find it". Jesus said " freely you have received, freely give". I agree with Tee when he said that Godly counsel should never be charged for. God bless
 
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Thank you,Tee !. I felt a conviction in my spirit, as I read your post. Some very strong points for me to ponder and consider tonight.. I will come back and comment some more tomorrow !

[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]Hi Melody, you are most welcome. [/FONT]

[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]This is a good prayer to pray for those seeking healing of the soul/emotions from Psalm 139 :23-24[/FONT]

[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]Search me, God, and know my heart; test me and know my anxious thoughts.
See if there is any offensive way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.[/FONT]

[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]Blessings,[/FONT]
[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]Tee[/FONT]
 
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:amen: Tee and Salvation. Thank you for expressing your views in ways I didn't even think, or could have the same way you have ! I am so grateful for your help because I was so close to buying the book. It is so easy to be deceived.

There is so much for me to comment on as I resonated with many things you said. I will write more later !


I spent most of my day on the Letusreason website reading through the review on the HC's. So for now, please let me leave you with this.. I think it ties in perfectly with what has been expressed as concerns by all of us. Here this website's review :


The Healing Codes – (link to article below)


Quantum Physics and The Healing Code

Dr. Loyd says that after his discovery of The Healing Codes in 2001, he spent a year and a half validating it with medical tests in every hospital. He says that The Healing Codes system applies quantum mechanics to the realm of health—physical and emotional (source):
“I go into all this because it is important to realize that The Healing Codes system is based on the way God created the world. In Genesis 1, it says God created all that is. He created energy. He set in motion the laws of physics, including quantum physics, the way DNA codes our cells, the way the planets move in their orbits—everything. And God made it all very good (Genesis 1:31)” (source).

Yes, it was all very good until sin came into the world, and mankind was corrupted in his nature. We cannot reverse the effect by our thinking by our own power. The fact is, we all grow old and die.
Dr. Loyd explains it as “a hidden fuse box on the body that we never knew was there before, it’s actually four healing centers that you activate very easily with your finger tips … and when you do that it heals the internal stress relating to whatever that issue is that you’re dealing with” (Interview by Jenell Walton: “ConnectingScience with Spirituality”).

In a Healing Codes Testimonial webpage,it tells a story about a man namedLarryNapier who had a lesion on his arm that he didn't deal with for over a year. His doctor said it was basal cell carcinoma and told him to get it taken off before it metastasizes.

Napier explains: “I got a call from Alex on Monday morning saying, ‘We need to meet, we need to talk, I have some things I could use some help with from you, I need to let you know what I'm doing.’ I couldn't believe as he started to talk to me what he was doing. Because from my biblical background, what he was saying would give me a lot of problems. So as he described what he was doing, I pulled up my sleeve and showed him the lesion on my arm. I said, ‘Are you telling me that what you're doing could remove this?’ He said, ‘I can teach you what to do to get it removed.’ I said, ‘I need a couple of days to pray and then I'll let you know if I'm willing to do this.’

“So after a couple of days I called him. He gave me exercises to do and I started doing them faithfully. About the third day, I saw a change, and in about six weeks, it was totally gone. It had been there for over a year. I'd been praying about it for over a year and nothing had happened to change it, it was just getting worse. But in the six weeks time it was totally gone. And I watched it disappear on a daily basis, almost, right before my eyes.”“… Since then, I've had other things that have shown up. and just immediately, any kind of problem that comes up, I immediately turn and start dealing with these exercises.
“…. And at that particular point, I became a full believer in what was happening because I had experienced myself and then began a lot of extensive Bible study to help Alex explain in more detail from a Scripture basis what was happening.” (Larry Napier, Thomson Station, TN. Healing Code website)

Larry Napier (whom Alex Loyd calls his “mentor”) is stating that he can prove from Scripture that this is all biblical. In a radio interview, Alex states anything made can be used for good or bad:

“The core issue is what’s the source . . . and the fear and the concern that anybody would have when they hear about the codes and think about running energy back into the body, that that source is an evil source. . . I spent years. Wrote a whole piece in 1976 on God is all and in all and meditating on those two thoughts now since 76. And I told Alex and Hope the other day, we were together, I said I have been meditating on God is all since 1976 and I don’t think I have a thimble full of understanding of what that is. He is so awesome, he is some wonderful, he is so beyond. He says my thoughts are as high above your thoughts as the heavens are above the earth; that’s pretty far… here’s the essence for me “God is all” and he’s in all, there’s nothing that exists anywhere in the universe that he’s is not in. … and this aspect of every single thing that is created out here, all of creation … functions the exact same for everybody out here, no matter where you are and no matter what you believe. Creation functions according to absolute law. God’s the source of that. He’s the source of energy, he’s the source of life. When he takes his presence out of this particular body that I’m now in, there will no longer be energy flowing out of those fingers that no longer have life in them. But until he removes his presence, there’s going to be flowing out of my fingers. Now if energy is coming out of my fingers all day long and all my life, then the question become real simple. Whose the source of that energy. Do I take that energy and turn it back into my body and the instant I turn that energy back into my body, the energy that is God’s very presence in me and God’s presence that’s leaving me because God’s presence is always going out being replaced. Is that energy being turned back in become demonic? That’s not very sound thinking. . . . Every single thing works the same for everybody. Jesus made it absolutely clear, he said be like your heavenly Father who makes the sun shine and the rain to fall on the just and the unjust alike.” (interview with Diane Eble)

This is not a biblical view: God in all things He created? God is transcendent from creation. Did Napier ever consider that the energy may not be coming from our body? Did he not consider that other sources, not of God, may be at work? Napier is stating this energy is God’s presence. According to Scripture, God’s presence is the Holy Spirit and He ONLY lives in believers because of their accepting the gospel. Yet, he is claiming the Holy Spirit is in everyone (like a life force). Is God’s presence being replaced? With what? More presence? Why? Yes, the Father gives the necessities of life to all. But that is not the same thing as the panentheistic view that God is in all people.


Did Jesus made this absolutely clear that “Every single thing works the same for everybody.” Making this healing energy as a distribution for everyone is hardly what Jesus was referring to in Matt 5:44-46: v.45 ‘that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.”


Jesus is speaking about the basic necessities of life that God provides, not that he heals everyone, or that we can heal ourselves. Case in point, Jesus did not heal those who did not have faith.
Furthermore, Jesus spoke of that same rain judging those who do not base their lives on His words.


Matt 7:24-26: "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: "and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. "Now everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.”


Do His words include teaching us how to use the Holy Spirit to heal ourselves by Loyd’s new energy discovery? No, I don’t see that.
Napier goes on to state:



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All things physical work like all things physical for everybody. The other point is this, Satan is not an originator of anything, he’s only a counterfeiter. He has only one thing to work with - God-given equipment, that he says, use it this way, this time for this purpose. He is a counterfeiter, he’s a masquerader; he’s a deceiver, but he is not an originator of anything, so it becomes real simple where this energy flow within our body is being directed back in where the source of that energy and does it work the same for everybody no matter what they believe? Yes. Why? Because breathing does too.”(Diane Eble interview starting at 54.00)


Napier’s view that Satan does not invent things is nonsense. Yes, he counterfeits, but he is also a spiritual entrepreneur.




What Napier is saying is that this God energy (His presence) is in everyone. That is not Christian teaching no matter how many Bible words you may use to try to prove it is. That is a total distortion and misuse of God’s Word. God is all in all and he is all? This is not the biblical view. This is a panentheistic view of God - flowing through us and all things - and cannot be reconciled with the Bible. It is what we commonly find in the New Age, that everyone’s body is an energy dynamo, but somehow we become sick with this energy present, so we direct it flowing from our fingers back into the body to heal ourselves.




It is not biblical to manipulate this energy (God’s presence, which is the Holy Spirit). So why does it heal from the fingers and not while it is in the body?




Really, the biggest problem with The Healing Code and with any other New Age kind of healing method has to do with man’s heart. The Bible lays it out very simply, that man’s heart is full of sin and every evil thing. It is only when a man sees himself as that wretched sinner and realizes his need for a Savior and accepts Jesus Christ into his heart by faith as the needed Savior that God will live inside a person. It is not Biblical to manipulate energy (God’s presence, which is the Holy Spirit). Those without Christ have no healing energy within themselves, and those who have Christ know that it is not their own energy that heals from within them, rather than searching out for some quantum energy within, we look to the Great Healer to take care of us in both in health and in sickness.
 
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Tee, you and I discussed energy healing aside from the HC's , like martial arts, qigong, tai chi. I found this article on Yoga, and found it very very interesting. More food for thought and contemplation. This article clearly states reasons on why one can never practice neutral Yoga.

Yoga (link to article)

Yoga
Yoga is one of the basic means of reaching this altered state of consciousness. And the altered state is the doorway to the occult. Sir John Eccles, Nobel Prize Winner for his research on the brain, said the brain is “a machine that a ghost can operate.' In a normal state of consciousness one's own spirit ticks off the neurons in his brain and operates his body. We are spirits connected with a body. But in an altered state, reached under drugs, Yoga, hypnosis, visualization, this passive but alert state, the connection between the spirit and the brain, is loosened. That allows another spirit to interpose itself, to begin to tick off the neurons in the brain, and create an entire universe of illusion. You've then opened yourself up to the spiritual realm which God forbids for us to enter. It's called sorcery. Those encouraged to use meditation, yoga, visualization, chakra energizing, Spirit guides could certainly take advantage of these open areas.

Unbeknown to many people they are literally teaching themselves how to be demonized, asking guiding spirits to help teach and relieve them of their stress. All in the name of stress reduction and developing one's full potential. The fact is that one practicing yoga, the Asana's, are to be able to release themselves from the trappings of reincarnation by working off their karma.

Yoga is to help one neutralize their karma and find a way off the cycle of rebirth (reincarnation). How can this spiritual exercise by sanitized for Christian use. And for what reason would it be used? To relax! The Bible teaches God will “keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on You, because he trusts in You.” (Isa. 26:3). One cannot make an excuse that they want to us it to experience peace and or the divine.

The poses that they so diligently practice in their stretching are named after Hindu Gods, and what one is actually doing, is calling on them. In that worshipful pose, they are bowing and for all intents and purposes worshipping that God. Our God says “You shall have no other Gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God.

As Christians who are in relationship with the God who created the universe, we should not be among those who exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worship and serve created things rather than the Creator (Romans 1:25). While many Christians rationalize the exercises as neutral they only need to ask a professional Yoga instructor what it is really about to find that it is in fact religious.

As a Christian we need to ask ourselves would Jesus or the apostles be doing yoga? If not why not. Would they promote another religions way to be united with a different gods? According to the Bible Yoga is an idolatrous practice which leads one away from the one true God and into the spiritual realm of false gods and demonic spirits, and there are consequences? If we sin ignorantly God understands, He is merciful, giving us grace on the one hand, but not to continue after we receive knowledge of the truth. On the other He cares of our sin, not willing to leave us to our deception. “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.”

In Hosea’s time people had a lack of knowledge concerning God. As a result, they turned to other gods, and their idolatrous practices became a snare to them and a delusion. They became the prey of false gods-even while thinking that their lifestyle was pleasing to the true God.

There is absolutely no problem in stretching exercises in and of themselves. What would be wrong is taking yoga positions assuming they are stretching exercises and non-religious, when in fact they are worshipful poses to Hindu gods. No one can deny that stretching helps the blood flow, that breathing in oxygen helps our overall health. There are numerous other ways unattached to a religion that can accomplish this.

There are numerous exercise programs that incorporate stretching that in no way relates to yoga (and it worldview) that one can substitute. Religious syncretism is probably the most dangerous we can involve ourselves in because we can rationalize its purpose. From the Hindu viewpoint nothing is merely physical, because in Hinduism the physical is merely maya, an illusion, so when you practice yoga it is not a physical exercise for the body but a spiritual exercise.

All exercise helps the blood flow and keeps us limber. Breathing in oxygen helps our overall health and vitality. All these can be pursued in other ways than having it attached to a religion that teaches to discover you are god.

Essentially one cannot practice a portion of Hinduism and continue to walk with the true Christ who is not a Hindu Guru.

I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE. NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME.
 
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[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]Hi Melody, I glad for you that you have discovered the healing codes are not of God and our in fact a form of modern occultism. [/FONT]


[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]I suspected that yoga was of the same demonic root as tai-chi there are just to many similarity's for it not to be. Thanks for your research. [/FONT]


[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]Blessings,[/FONT]
[FONT=Century Schoolbook L, serif]Tee:)[/FONT]
 
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Tee, you expressed it so well. Thank you for bringing up the Holy Spirit !! The HC's make it sound so biblical, but it's almost like they are being used as a replacement for the Holy Spirit --

'The Healing Codes are like a gardening tool that you can use to clear away the rocks of unhealthy beliefs and the weeds of fear so that the seed of truth can take root. The HC’ prepare the soil. They are not the seed itself. God’s truth is the seed, and the seed alone carries the life.'
http://www.thehealingcodeinfo.com/Spiritual-Underpinnings-of-the-Healing-Codes-web.pdf

Through my research and examining the material that's been available to me, I have noted so many contradictions...( My eyes are so wide open now) The greatest contradiction, because it matters most to me, is about the source of energy. I have noted there have been 2 explanations for the Source of this energy by Loyd and his mentor Napier. (The 1st explanation is that the energy is not God and then 2nd explanation is that it is God). You know when the creators of the HC's change their stance on the source of the Energy, you know you are on very scary ground ! If I had seen this from the very start, I would have surely never even considered the HC's.

Here's what I am referring to::

From : http://www.thehealingcodeinfo.com/Spiritual-Underpinnings-of-the-Healing-Codes-web.pdf
Energy is the basis of the healing codes. and energy as something God created, is in itself good..(Some people believe that energy itself is God. We reject that. God made energy and is apart from and over above his creation).

compare to :

From: http://www.letusreason.org/Nam47.htm (it is long..)
In a Healing Codes Testimonial webpage, it tells a story about a man named Larry Napier who had a lesion on his arm that he didn't deal with for over a year. His doctor said it was basal cell carcinoma and told him to get it taken off before it metastasizes.

Napier explains: “I got a call from Alex on Monday morning saying, ‘We need to meet, we need to talk, I have some things I could use some help with from you, I need to let you know what I'm doing.’ I couldn't believe as he started to talk to me what he was doing. Because from my biblical background, what he was saying would give me a lot of problems. So as he described what he was doing, I pulled up my sleeve and showed him the lesion on my arm. I said, ‘Are you telling me that what you're doing could remove this?’ He said, ‘I can teach you what to do to get it removed.’ I said, ‘I need a couple of days to pray and then I'll let you know if I'm willing to do this.’

“So after a couple of days I called him. He gave me exercises to do and I started doing them faithfully. About the third day, I saw a change, and in about six weeks, it was totally gone. It had been there for over a year. I'd been praying about it for over a year and nothing had happened to change it, it was just getting worse. But in the six weeks time it was totally gone. And I watched it disappear on a daily basis, almost, right before my eyes.”

“… Since then, I've had other things that have shown up. and just immediately, any kind of problem that comes up, I immediately turn and start dealing with these exercises.

“…. And at that particular point, I became a full believer in what was happening because I had experienced myself and then began a lot of extensive Bible study to help Alex explain in more detail from a Scripture basis what was happening.” (Larry Napier, Thomson Station, TN. Healing Code website)
Larry Napier (whom Alex Loyd calls his “mentor”) is stating that he can prove from Scripture that this is all biblical. In a radio interview, Alex states anything made can be used for good or bad:

“The core issue is what’s the source . . . and the fear and the concern that anybody would have when they hear about the codes and think about running energy back into the body, that that source is an evil source. . . I spent years. Wrote a whole piece in 1976 on God is all and in all and meditating on those two thoughts now since 76. And I told Alex and Hope the other day, we were together, I said I have been meditating on God is all since 1976 and I don’t think I have a thimble full of understanding of what that is. He is so awesome, he is some wonderful, he is so beyond. He says my thoughts are as high above your thoughts as the heavens are above the earth; that’s pretty far… here’s the essence for me “God is all” and he’s in all, there’s nothing that exists anywhere in the universe that he’s is not in. … and this aspect of every single thing that is created out here, all of creation … functions the exact same for everybody out here, no matter where you are and no matter what you believe. Creation functions according to absolute law. God’s the source of that. He’s the source of energy, he’s the source of life. When he takes his presence out of this particular body that I’m now in, there will no longer be energy flowing out of those fingers that no longer have life in them. But until he removes his presence, there’s going to be flowing out of my fingers. Now if energy is coming out of my fingers all day long and all my life, then the question become real simple. Whose the source of that energy. Do I take that energy and turn it back into my body and the instant I turn that energy back into my body, the energy that is God’s very presence in me and God’s presence that’s leaving me because God’s presence is always going out being replaced. Is that energy being turned back in become demonic? That’s not very sound thinking. . . . Every single thing works the same for everybody. Jesus made it absolutely clear, he said be like your heavenly Father who makes the sun shine and the rain to fall on the just and the unjust alike.” (interview with Diane Eble)
This is not a biblical view: God in all things He created? God is transcendent from creation. Did Napier ever consider that the energy may not be coming from our body? Did he not consider that other sources, not of God, may be at work? Napier is stating this energy is God’s presence. According to Scripture, God’s presence is the Holy Spirit and He ONLY lives in believers because of their accepting the gospel. Yet, he is claiming the Holy Spirit is in everyone (like a life force). Is God’s presence being replaced? With what? More presence? Why? Yes, the Father gives the necessities of life to all. But that is not the same thing as the panentheistic view that God is in all people.


What Napier is saying is that this God energy (His presence) is in everyone. That is not Christian teaching no matter how many Bible words you may use to try to prove it is. That is a total distortion and misuse of God’s Word. God is all in all and he is all? This is not the biblical view. This is a panentheistic view of God - flowing through us and all things - and cannot be reconciled with the Bible. It is what we commonly find in the New Age, that everyone’s body is an energy dynamo, but somehow we become sick with this energy present, so we direct it flowing from our fingers back into the body to heal ourselves.

It is not biblical to manipulate this energy (God’s presence, which is the Holy Spirit). So why does it heal from the fingers and not while it is in the body?

Really, the biggest problem with The Healing Code and with any other New Age kind of healing method has to do with man’s heart. The Bible lays it out very simply, that man’s heart is full of sin and every evil thing. It is only when a man sees himself as that wretched sinner and realizes his need for a Savior and accepts Jesus Christ into his heart by faith as the needed Savior that God will live inside a person. It is not Biblical to manipulate energy (God’s presence, which is the Holy Spirit). Those without Christ have no healing energy within themselves, and those who have Christ know that it is not their own energy that heals from within them, rather than searching out for some quantum energy within, we look to the Great Healer to take care of us in both in health and in sickness. '
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Salvation, I totally agree with you on the disobedience issue. In a large majority, I believe too, it is a factor. I myself had been ill for 8 years, and a large part of me becoming well was humbling myself before God and repenting of my sin. From the outset I looked like a victim, so many people and circumstances to blame. But I had so much unforgiveness and anxiety etc. My jouney started with meditating on the Bible Psalm 91 and Romans 8:28-39. They were the key ones for me. For months I spent hours chewing, mumbling and meditating,. I sought, humbled and waited on God. It took a looong while for things to get better but He always provided His mercy and comfort. Looking back now, I believe that it seemed that God was actually more interested in my spiritual growth and His desire for me to get to know Him, than to heal me. What a painful process it was.., and although I would never want to go back, the closeness I felt with God was indescrible.. my faith grew ! I spent a lot of time in prayer, as well. It was impressed upon me that I must repent for my fear, anger, bitterness etc


This to the Healing codes prayer:


“Dear God, I pray that you would find, open, and heal all known and hidden negative images, beliefs, cellular and generational memories, and all resulting physical issues, related to [insert the issue, e.g. “any unforgiveness issues that are at the source of his/her issue”], by filling [person’s name] with the love, life, and light of the Most High God. I also pray that you would magnify the effectiveness of this healing to the maximum level for [person’s name] highest good, at an optimal pace, and restore everything to Your original design. Thank you, God.”


Quite a difference......
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My bible meditation.and prayer was also combined with a change of diet (biblelife.org) and supplements replenishing my body with missing nutrients it needed. I started taking care of my temple in the right way. Together, I slowly got better. It was not a quick fix, and it certainly was not like a vending machine experience. I got to know God like I never would have been able to . That is my testimony.


Salvation, I so agree with you about Satan... He can come across like an angel of light. In the last days, the Anti-Christ will perform miracles like he's Jesus and people will be deceived.. That is also why a billion HC testimonies could never make me sure..

When I found the Immune Key Master Key info I got another big red flag. .I also agree with your views. The child was exposed to many different religions. How was it determined that it was from God and not Satan ? Or was it? I have a weird feeling when I read that the child's parent's gave it to Loyd free of charge, yet they charge hundreds of dollars for the program.

Thank you very much for sharing your explanation on the Word of God. What an amazing truth ! I will definitely look up those scriptures you gave me to meditate and strengthen my faith and witness !


God Bless to both of you!
 
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There was a bit more I wanted to add in the last post. And that is, that despite my healing testimony, I was still interested in the HC's. It would have never interested me had it not come across as being from God and Christian. So that was why I came and posted here to see if it was true. But if it was, I have to admit it looked very attractive to me. it looked easy... easier. And faster. Yep.... lol.

Just thought I'd mention since you or someone may wonder why I would have been interested.
 
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