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The Great Tribulation
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Jerrysch said:
the Bible only speaks of two ages:
1) This Age - This Present Age
2) The Age to Come - Eternity
Matt. 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mark 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
Luke 18:30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
Ephesians 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
This is what the Bible says that will happen in the age to come.
1. - The harvest occurs at the same time as the judgment of the wicked - Matt. 13:39
2. - The Judgment is at the end of this age - Matt. 13:39
3. - The weeds (wicked) are gathered and burned at the end of the age - Matt. 13:40,49-50
4. - The resurrection of the good is on the last day - John 6:39,40,44,54;11:24
5. - The resurrection of the good is at the end of this age - Mark 10:30; Matt. 13:39,40,49
6. - The resurrection of the good is on the day of the Lord - John 6:39-54; 1 Thess 4:16-5:2
7. - The elect are gathered at the end of the age with the sound of a trumpet - Matt. 24:1-31
8. - At the last trumpet the dead are raised and the rapture occurs - 1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:16
9. - Therefore, the resurrection and the rapture occur at the end of this age, which is the day of the Lord, which is His return, which is the last trumpet.
All of this happens when Jesus returns.
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Jerrysch said:
The Tribulation started at Pentecost (Acts 2:15-20) during the dispensation of the Law. The Tribulation, and the dispensation of the Law, were interrupted when God set the nation of Israel aside after the stoning of Stephen in Acts 7. God then raised up Saul/Paul to usher in the dispensation of GRACE. This dispensation of GRACE will end with the rapture of the Chruch, the Body of Christ, and then the dispensation of the Law and the Tribulation will again resume.
God Bless.
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Dispensationalism is manmade.
I can make the Great Tribulation either way on my chart.
I can make the Great Tribulation either way on my chart.
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The Apostle Paul was a dispensationalist. In Epehsians chapter 2 he list three different dispensation. In 2:11,12 he speaks of TIMES PAST, when the Law and circumcision was in effect.
In 2:13 he speaks of BUT NOW The Law and circumcision no longer required, and the "middle wall of partition" between Jew and Gentile is broken down.
In vs. 7 he speaks of THE AGES TO COME When God will bring his purposes to fruition.
Paul's writing were Divinely inspired.
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ShirleyFord said:
During the above Biblical references you give above (Matt., Mark, Luke), they are referring to THAT present dispensation, which was the Law, and the TIMES PAST era of Eph. 11, 12. The dispensation of Grace, that was revealed to the Apostel Paul, was still future revelation and cannot be found in the OT or the Gospels. We live in the BUT NOW era of Ephesians 2:13, which was kept secret "...since the world began."
The AGES TO COME spoken of in Matt., Mark, Luke, and Paul (Eph. 2:7) pertain to the time when Jesus establishes His kingdom here upon the earth.
Ephesians 1:21 was written by Paul in the BUT NOW period, and is speaking of [/b]THE AGES TO COME[/b] when God brings His purposes to Fruition (Eph. 2:7)
ShirleyFord said:
I agree with 1-5 above.
The disagreement I have with #6 is that the reference to 1 Thess. 4:16-52, is not "the day of the Lord", but "the day of Christ," when He raptures His Chruch, the Body of Christ, to heaven.
I agree with #7, which is speaking of the 7th Trump of the book of the Revelation.
#8 - The trumpet of 1Cor. 15:52, & 1 Thess. 4:16 are not the same trump as the last trump of the book of the Revelation. It is sounded at the end of this dispensation of Grace, with the rapture of the Chruch, the Body of Christ.
#9 - The resurrection of the dead that happens in 1 Thess. 13, 14, is to heaven, at the end of this dispensation of Grace, and they are raptured to heaven "...to ever be with the Lord (vs.17). The resurrection of the dead that happens at end of the Tribulation (the last trump of the book of the Revelation), is the 1st resurrection of prophesy. Those that are resurrected will enter the earthly kingdom.
God Bless.
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Bob Hill made 12 dispensations.
http://www.biblicalanswers.com/
http://www.biblicalanswers.com/book_12dispensations.htm
http://www.biblicalanswers.com/chart_12dispensations.htm
You're saying Bob Hill is not divinely inspired?
Should there be 7 dispensations, like Scofield made, because 7 is the perfect number?
How many did you say there are, again?
http://www.biblicalanswers.com/
http://www.biblicalanswers.com/book_12dispensations.htm
http://www.biblicalanswers.com/chart_12dispensations.htm
You're saying Bob Hill is not divinely inspired?
Should there be 7 dispensations, like Scofield made, because 7 is the perfect number?
How many did you say there are, again?
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There are no set amount of the number of dispensations one can find in the Bible. However, the majority view is 7 major dispensations. I don't have a problem with anyone seeing 12, or as little as 3.
Paul in Ephesians 2 mentions 3 dispensations. TIMES PAST/BUTNOW/ AND AGES TO COME.
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