Returning to earth from heaven in eternal life bodies. But not restricted to earth, and certainly not restricted to middle east in an expanded Israel. We will be like the angels in that regards, but made higher than the angels in Christ.Where do you get 'returning' from? We never leave Planet Earth and our destiny is to be with the Lord in Jerusalem and all of the holy Land.
2 Peter 3:7 & 10 refer to the forthcoming terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Revelation 6:12-17
2 Peter 3:11-13 refer to the NH,NE which will come AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7
What absolute unscriptural opinion and wrong beliefs!Returning to earth from heaven in eternal life bodies. But not restricted to earth, and certainly not restricted to middle east in an expanded Israel. We will be like the angels in that regards, but made higher than the angels in Christ.
The sequence is given - from Revelation 19:11 to the end of the Bible.So where does your millennium take place after v10??
If the old passes away at v10 then you must have this millennium taking place on the NHNE.....which is wrong.
The Great Second Exodus of all the Lords faithful people, will happen soon after all the holy Land area is cleared and cleansed by the Lord on His Day of fiery wrath. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Zephaniah 1:1-16, +The exodus you speak of is a return to the holy land before the old passes away yes?.
The sequence is given - from Revelation 19:11 to the end of the Bible.
The Return of Jesus, [after all what is prophesied from Revelation 6:12 has occurred] then the Millennium and after that; the GWT Judgment.
Then finally; Eternity.
Future prohibition about men going to heaven is not what Jesus was teaching in that verse.People never go to heaven, Jesus said so; John 3:13
That men can go to heaven is implied in Matthew 6:18-21. Your heart is not in heaven? At least part of you is supposed to be there, right now, in spirit.
On the old , but regenerated Earth.I would much prefer a more direct answer to post 42.
Where does your millennium take place.... on the old or the new?
Implied is it?Future prohibition about men going to heaven is not what Jesus was teaching in that verse.
In context, Jesus was telling Nicodemus no man could teach what He Jesus was teaching because no one else is qualified but Himself as the Son of God come down from heaven.
That men can go to heaven is implied in Matthew 6:18-21. Your heart is not in heaven? At least part of you is supposed to be there, right now, in spirit.
On the old , but regenerated Earth.
Those two references are:2 Peter 3:7 & 10 refer to the forthcoming terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Revelation 6:12-17
2 Peter 3:11-13 refer to the NH,NE which will come AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7
We Christians will be on earth when God sends His fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal, but I see it as mostly affecting the Middle East region.These questions arise with your references to 2 Peter 3:7-13...
1) who are the "they" of verse 16 & 17?
2) what "great day" does verse refer to?
3) what "wrath" is to come in the future?
Clearly you are not saying that born-again Christians go through God's wrath are you?
Those people who stand strong during all that must happen, do not have anything to fear as God promises them His protection. Isaiah 41:13, Isaiah 43:2, Zephaniah 2:3, + His wrath is directed at the ungodly peoples. Zephaniah 3:8Therefore, there is nothing to fear for us on the Last Day (the Day of Judgment) nor is there to be a "LITERAL" temple nor a 1,000 year millennium in between that final event where both believers and unbelievers (along with those who are raised from their graves) stand before our God ----of which those who are not believers go the hell (after experiencing God wrath) and the believers go to heaven for eternity without experiencing God's wrath because they/we believed in the New Covenant promises.
Holding this view only makes the same mistake that the Jews who crucified Christ made -- they were not satisfied with a spiritual kingdom; they had to have a literal, worldly rule....which is the very reason God destroyed all brick and mortar temples and if that temple is constructed and sacrifices reinstated I have a strong feeling He will make sure it too will suddenly and "mysteriously" disappear!There WILL be a new Temple and a literal Millennium, when King Jesus will rule the world. These are clearly prophesied.
A far greater mistake is to ignore, or simply not see the many clearly stated Bible prophesies that do tell us there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem. 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Revelation 11:1Holding this view only makes the same mistake that the Jews who crucified Christ made -- they were not satisfied with a spiritual kingdom; they had to have a literal, worldly rule....which is the very reason God destroyed all brick and mortar temples and if that temple is constructed and sacrifices reinstated I have a strong feeling He will make sure it too will suddenly and "mysteriously" disappear!
Have you not just declared yourself to be a prophet as I understand that Pentecostalism claims is still in effect for this age?The whole scenario of the end times, has a logical sequence to it. Now in the latter days,, we can see how things are happening that will see a confederation of Islamic states and entities that will be motivated to get rid of the ‘ cancer ‘ in their midst, that is the State of Israel. The moment of their attack, is the moment that God will intervene. This great Day of the Lord, will take the form of a natural event: a Coronal Mass Ejection, a massive sunstrike of cosmic particles, causing intense heat and electrical storms. The attacking armies will be destroyed by their own weaponry, as they will all explode before firing, caused by an extreme Electro-Magnetic Pulse. Psalms 7:12-16, Habakkuk 3:14. Joel 3:4
This literally fulfils the prayer in Psalms 83:13-18
This reply isn't intelligible.Have you not just declared yourself to be a prophet as I understand that Pentecostalism claims is still in effect for this age?
The whole scenario of the end times, has a logical sequence to it. Now in the latter days,, we can see how things are happening that will see a confederation of Islamic states and entities that will be motivated to get rid of the ‘ cancer ‘ in their midst, that is the State of Israel. The moment of their attack, is the moment that God will intervene. This great Day of the Lord, will take the form of a natural event: a Coronal Mass Ejection, a massive sunstrike of cosmic particles, causing intense heat and electrical storms. The attacking armies will be destroyed by their own weaponry, as they will all explode before firing, caused by an extreme Electro-Magnetic Pulse. Psalms 7:12-16, Habakkuk 3:14. Joel 3:4
This literally fulfils the prayer in Psalms 83:13-18
Um, you do have yourself listed as "New Zealand - Pentecostal - married." It is not important to me; but you should not chastise anyone because you have mislead them. People normally put down their real denomination so that people have a basic idea of what that person believes....i.e. Catholics/pope, Baptist/baptism, Assemblies of God/ Charismatics, J.W.'s / enough said. You get the point.Actually the Church I attend, is not 'Pentecostal',
I leave my designation as Pentecostal, as the best way to show that I don't conform to the rote traditions and false doctrines of the mainstream faiths.Um, you do have yourself listed as "New Zealand - Pentecostal - married." It is not important to me; but you should not chastise anyone because you have mislead them. People normally put down their real denomination so that people have a basic idea of what that person believes....i.e. Catholics/pope, Baptist/baptism, Assemblies of God/ Charismatics, J.W.'s / enough said. You get the point.
I base my beliefs on the Bible. But we do have the benefit of hindsight and modern knowledge. From all of it, we can understand what will soon happen, as God resets our civilization. He did it before, we are again 'as in the days of Noah'. We Christians should be ready physically and spiritually for all what the Prophets have said will happen.As far as the other stuff goes, there are unlimited bizarre mis-interpretations of scripture when people base their beliefs on current events,
You have yet to properly address the scriptures or prove me wrong in any of my posts. All I have seen from you is your opinions and the parroted beliefs taught to you.As for you not adhering to what the scripture has revealed in 2 Thessalonians and how you intend to stick with what you want it to say even though it does blow your theology apart that is your call - not mine! To me that would be deceiving my readers. Have you not read 2 Timothy in the NT lately --- "rightly interpreting and preaching scripture" (paraphrased). I find it appalling that anyone would willing continue misleading hearers after knowing the word is intended to be of a "spiritual nature" rather than a "literal nature."
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