The Great Second Exodus

joshua 1 9 · Oct 9, 2019

keras said:
I don't see this anywhere in the Bible.
Not until after the Millennium, anyway.

Ok so you are not ready for the deep things of God then. You can start with the word: "Manifest". "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them" Romans 1:19

"For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19

Ed Parenteau · Oct 9, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
Ok so you are not ready for the deep things of God then. You can start with the word: "Manifest". "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them" Romans 1:19

"For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19

Manifestation(Transliteration: apokalupsis
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ok-al'-oop-sis)
Definition: an uncovering)
Usage: an unveiling, uncovering, revealing, revelation.
Romans 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Since Christians are those led by the Spirit of God they are the sons of God.
Since Christianity = the sons of God
Therefore, the revealing(manifestation) of the sons of God = the revealing of Christianity.
Question, has Christianity been revealed?

joshua 1 9 · Oct 9, 2019

Ed Parenteau said:
the revealing of Christianity.
Question, has Christianity been revealed?

Christianity is being revealed, we are in a time of transition. The Church age is coming to an end and the Kingdom age is beginning. Even Moses tells us that the latter rain will be greater then the beginning to bring in the Harvest. If we take part in the resurrection, then the resurrection power of God is already at work in us to prepare us.

Romans 8:18
I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us.

keras · Oct 9, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
They say during the kingdom age are manifest sons and daughters of God. Able to manifest or demonstrate the power of God.

Your belief of people with spiritual powers and having a glorified body at anytime before the final Judgment after the Millennium, is wrong and is never stated in the Bible.

All part of the very bad and unscriptural 'rapture to heaven' theory.

joshua 1 9 · Oct 9, 2019

keras said:
Your belief of people with spiritual powers and having a glorified body at anytime before the final Judgment after the Millennium, is wrong and is never stated in the Bible.

That is not what I said. Is this to complicated for you to understand? I thought it was all pretty easy. Let give you an example. 15 years ago, my heart stopped and I died. Then God raised me up from the dead. Now you know and I know that the resurrection has not happened yet. I did not receive a glorified body. Still the resurrection power of God is at work in me otherwise I would be dead and you and I could not be having this conversation.

joshua 1 9 · Oct 9, 2019

keras said:
All part of the very bad and unscriptural 'rapture to heaven' theory.

You do not believe we go to heaven when we die? The rapture is just a "theory" that a lot of people die at the same time and are taken up to heaven as a group. My theory is that if there is a rapture it will take place during a world wide disaster like an all out nuclear war.

What I wonder about is the resurrection when we actually receive our glorified body. Some people think that takes place at the end of the tribulation period when Jesus returns with His Bride or His Church. So we rule an reign with Him for 1,000 years hear on the earth.

keras · Oct 9, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
That is not what I said. Is this to complicated for you to understand? I thought it was all pretty easy. Let give you an example. 15 years ago, my heart stopped and I died. Then God raised me up from the dead. Now you know and I know that the resurrection has not happened yet. I did not receive a glorified body. Still the resurrection power of God is at work in me otherwise I would be dead and you and I could not be having this conversation.

God's Power or the benefit of modern medical practices?

joshua 1 9 said:
You do not believe we go to heaven when we die? The rapture is just a "theory" that a lot of people die at the same time and are taken up to heaven as a group. My theory is that if there is a rapture it will take place during a world wide disaster like an all out nuclear war.

Jesus said six times that we humans cannot go to heaven. Eventually God and heaven come to us. Revelation 21:1-7
There will be no nuke war, the Lord will intervene and destroy all weapons and military powers. Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms 11:4-6

joshua 1 9 said:
What I wonder about is the resurrection when we actually receive our glorified body. Some people think that takes place at the end of the tribulation period when Jesus returns with His Bride or His Church. So we rule an reign with Him for 1,000 years hear on the earth.

What the Bible says, is that the Judgment of every individual happens after the Millennium. Jesus Judges the nations at His Return; Matthew 25:31-34

Note; that He Returns accompanied by angels, as Revelation 19:14 plainly states.
His Bride awaits His Return, as they are gathered to Him then; Matthew 24:31

lismore · Oct 9, 2019

David Neos said:
Well, Christians are called a Nation in the New Testament :
1 Peter 2:9-10
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

Hello David. Please, before changing the subject, I'm pleading with you, read Jeremiah chapter 31. God Bless

joshua 1 9 · Oct 9, 2019

keras said:
God's Power or the benefit of modern medical practices?

My chance of being alive is 1 in 1500. You can ask your fire chief in your city. What are the odds that they can revive someone if the heart is not beating when they get there.

I do not claim exclusive rights to anything. Other people are able to receive miracles from God also. Everyone that is going to take part in the resurrection has the resurrection power of God working in them and in their life. As far as the doctor was concerned. He told me I had a 12 year old son that needed a father so he did what he could for me. Although all he did was put in a stint. They had no idea what the effect was going to be on my brain when they brought me out of the coma a week later. My brother is a medical doctor. He kept insisting that I must have had a NDE, but I did not remember anything. But to pacify him I told him of a vision I had of a tunnel like optical fiber and two angels who told me it was not my time yet and I had to go back. But that was from another time. I do not remember anything like that during this incident. The only thing I remember was my wife asking me if I remember who she was. Which I though was really funny. Of course I remember, your my wife. But she said she freaked out that I was laughing like that. I do remember that my arm was a mess from the nurse trying to put needles in me. I thought that was why the doctor moved me off of intensive care was to save me and get me away from that nurse. That was kind of a miracle that my arm cleared right up right away. I do not remember there being any issue after I was moved to the new ward.

The point is IF we are to be the manifest sons and daughters of God then that is a work God is already doing in our life to prepare us for that day. God is doing a work in us to prefect us and to prepare us for the day when He will Glorify us. So we should see some evidence along the way that God is doing a work in us to prepare us. "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." (Philip 2:13)

"By His power God raised the Lord from the dead, and He will raise us also." (1Cor6:14)

I had no idea what I had been through. All I knew was I woke up in a hospital and I was hungry. I heard that they had some food in a refrigerator. So I went to get something to eat. I remember moving around quite a bit. They must have taken all that stuff off of me though. I just remember being hungry. It was kinda nice though because I had lost some weight. When I got home my clothing was to big so I had to take them in and I did buy some new clothing also.

If anyone wonders why God let me go through that. I smoked for 40 years and the pastor at the church kept trying to get me to quit. I did quit after that. I did not go back to smoking when I left the hospital. So God did give me a second chance as far as all of that is concerned. Maybe this was just God's way to get my attention to get me to quit smoking. This all took place 15 years ago. I have a card I carry in my wallet from when they put the first defibrillator in me.

Not David · Oct 9, 2019

lismore said:
Hello David. Please, before changing the subject, I'm pleading with you, read Jeremiah chapter 31. God Bless

I read the Old Testament with the view of the New Testament

Ed Parenteau · Oct 10, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
Christianity is being revealed, we are in a time of transition. The Church age is coming to an end and the Kingdom age is beginning. Even Moses tells us that the latter rain will be greater then the beginning to bring in the Harvest. If we take part in the resurrection, then the resurrection power of God is already at work in us to prepare us.

Romans 8:18
I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us.

"Church age is coming to an end." Where is that written?

I agree there's a transition period between this age and the age to come.

So, let me ask you this: Which age was Christ in?

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,

And which age was Paul and the Apostles in?

8the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;

Read 2 Thess chapter 1 and tell me who was suffering persecution and tribulation and when were they going to get relief.

keras · Oct 10, 2019

This thread is about the Great Second Exodus of the Lord's faithful people.

Entering the Promised Land:
Isaiah 62:10 Hoist a signal to the peoples, clear a road, go out; you people of Zion.

Isaiah 49:11-12 I shall make a highway for My people, they come from every direction.

Isaiah 40:1-4 Comfort My people, their penalty is paid. Prepare a highway through the waste lands, make smooth the way.

Isaiah 11:11-12 On that Day, the Lord will recover the remnant of His people from the four corners of the world.

Micah 2:12 I shall assemble the whole House of Jacob and gather you like sheep into a sheep yard, the Lord will lead the way. The same as before: 1 Corinthians 10:4

Ezekiel 34:11-12 Now I will search for My sheep...where they are scattered on the Day of wrath.

Hosea 8:10 I will now round up My people....

Zechariah 8:7-8 I am about to rescue My people, from all the countries they are in and bring them back to live in Zion. They will be My people and I will be their God.

Isaiah 60:1-9 Jerusalem, your Light will shine on you, your sons and daughters are coming back to you. Vessels assemble to bring your children from far away.

Jeremiah 16:15-16 I shall hunt for My people from wherever they are now dispersed and bring them back to the Land that I gave to their forefathers.

Zechariah 10:8-10 I shall whistle to call in My people, for I have delivered them and they will be as many as they used to be. Though dispersed among the nations, they will remember Me. I will lead them into the Land until there is no more room for them.

Isaiah 52:11-12 Go out of Babylon, [the ungodly nations] keep yourselves pure, you will not leave like fugitives or in urgent haste. The Lord will go before you, to guide and guard you.

Isaiah 66:20 From every nation you will be brought, on every kind of transport...

Isaiah 35:8-10 A highway will appear, the Way of Holiness, by that way all those the Lord has redeemed will enter Zion, with shouts of triumph and great joy.

Isaiah 49:9-13 I will lead My people along paths beside streams, they will neither hunger or thirst, nor will scorching heat affect them. They come, some from far away, in every direction, on level highways, for the Lord comforts them in their distress.

Jeremiah 31:8-9 See how I bring My people from every part of the earth, the blind, lame and pregnant women among them. They are a vast company, weeping as they come home, but I shall comfort them and lead them on smooth paths.

Isaiah 30:21 A voice from behind you will tell you the right path to follow.

Isaiah 58:11-12 The Lord will be your guide and will satisfy your needs in the desert. You will rebuild the ruins, you will be called the restorers of the Land.

Ezekiel 20:42 You will know that I am the Lord, [not present as yet, before the Return of Jesus] when I bring you home to the Land of Israel. The Land I swore to give to your ancestors.

Psalm 68:7-10 Lord, You go before Your people, marching through the barren wastelands. When Your Land languishes You restore it. You send rain and there Your people settle. In Your goodness, You provide for the needy.

Hosea 2:14-23 Now, I shall woo them and lead them into the wilderness, I will restore them ......they will be My new sowing in the Land. I will say: ‘You are My people’ and they will say: ‘ You are our God’. [The Lord is not seen – the same as the 1st Exodus; 1 Corinthians 10:4]

Micah 7:11-12 The Day the people return to the Land will be a Day to extend your boundaries.

Ezekiel 36:8-12 The Land will become fruitful and the whole House of Israel [every faithful Christian] will settle there, they will increase, more prosperous then in ancient days.
Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.

joshua 1 9 · Oct 10, 2019

Ed Parenteau said:
"Church age is coming to an end." Where is that written?

Where is it written that there is a church age? The dispensational belief is that the Church age is two days or 2,000 years. So just do a search on the second day, for example: "After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight." (Hosea 6:2)

The third day of course is the 1,000 year reign of Christ. The issue has to do with a tribulation period between the second and third day. There is not much scriptural support for that. So I am questioning how we are going to transition from the Church age to the Kingdom age. The Kingdom age is the 7th day when man will rest from his works. This is the Sabbath. 6,000 from Adam & Eve and Eden.

There was a lot of commotion in the year 2,000 because people believed we measure from the time Christ came into the world. Now the belief is the church began on the day of Pentecost when Peter was preaching in the upper room. I believe that took place in the year 29. So 2029 would be the 2,000 year anniversary or birthday of the church. On the day of Pentecost. Of course Peter was preaching on the Hebrew day. The church today has their own day when they celebrate Pentecost. This of course takes place 49 or 50 days after passover.

joshua 1 9 · Oct 10, 2019

Ed Parenteau said:
So, let me ask you this: Which age was Christ in?

Jesus said: "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 15:24) The disciples were very surprised that the gentiles were able to receive the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not teach them about that. Even He called the gentiles: "dogs": "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs." (Matthew 15:26) Even there was discussion that they had to convert and become "Jewish" and keep the law in order to become saved and become a Christian. "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." Galations5:2)

The Church age or the time of the gentiles is called the Holy Spirit Dispensation and other names. When this age comes to an end then the Kingdom age will begin or the 1,000 year reign of Christ when we rule and reign with Christ here on the Earth. The we will have the new Heavens and the New Earth.

keras · Oct 10, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
Jesus said: "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)

Jesus was a Jew of the House of Judah.
The House of Israel was exiled by Assyria circa 720-715 BC and has been lost to our knowledge since then, still is today.
The Apostles and the historian Josephus did know where and who they were, scattered among the nations.
Jesus was rejected and killed by the Jews, but His Gospel message was taken to the Gentiles, to the lost House of Israel and we Christians are the successful result.
So the truth is that the House of Israel have mainly become Christian, Israelites by descent and by faith.

What we wait for now is the call to migrate back to our heritage, the 'whistle' as Zechariah 8:8-10 says. Psalms 107 is a prophecy about it and how the Lord will help us.

joshua 1 9 · Oct 10, 2019

keras said:
Jesus was a Jew of the House of Judah.

"Jew" means Judah. When I was in High School this was a word that they did not like to use. Although today it does not seem to be an issue because this is a word the world knows the meaning of.

lismore · Oct 14, 2019

David Neos said:
I read the Old Testament with the view of the New Testament

It doesn't seem to be that you are willing to read the Old Testament at all. So, the New. The Apostles including Peter expected National Israel to return:

Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1:6)

Jesus replied telling them that only the Father knows the day. Well, now we know it too! May 14th 1948!

Not David · Oct 14, 2019

lismore said:
It doesn't seem to be that you are willing to read the Old Testament at all. So, the New. The Apostles including Peter expected National Israel to return:

Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1:6)

Jesus replied telling them that only the Father knows the day. Well, now we know it too! May 14th 1948!

The Church is Israel.

lismore · Oct 14, 2019

David Neos said:
The Church is Israel.

Why did Peter '1st Pope' disagree with you?

Peter '1st Pope' didn't say 'the church is Israel'.

Peter said:

“Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1:6)

Peter and the Apostles said that Israel is Israel and that the Kingdom of Israel would be restored- we can see that in our day.

Not David · Oct 14, 2019

lismore said:
Why did Peter '1st Pope' disagree with you?

Peter '1st Pope' didn't say 'the church is Israel'.

Peter said:

“Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1:6)

Peter and the Apostles said that Israel is Israel and that the Kingdom of Israel would be restored- we can see that in our day.

Everytime you see Israel in Scriptures is mainly talking about the Church. I already showed the "chosen race" verse.

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