The Great Oxygen Event

[Doug Brents]

What do you mean? And yes, the Bible is my baseline for truth.

Treating the Bible like a science textbook has never been canon.

And it's just a basic fact of reality that BIF stratigraphy predates fish, birds, and terrestrial plants. So I'm not sure what the issue here is.

Genesis says nothing of the age of the earth, if that is your concern:

Genesis 1:1-3 NRSV
[1] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

Yes, Genesis gives the exact age of the Earth. In six days (consisting of one morning and one evening each) God made from nothing everything that is. And then He details in further chapters the age when each generation fathered the next generation down through the 23 generation (Judah). We can place the birth of Moses based on his being 80 at the Exodus, and the Exodus occurring 430 years after Abraham left Ur (Exo 12:40, Gal 3:17). And then, through archeological evidence, we can link the pharaoh of the Exodus with modern calendars (circa 1446BC). Then counting backwards from there to when Adam was created, and we have the age of the Earth at 2923.

None of that requires the Bible to be a "science textbook". It simply requires that we accept it as truth. And then we must fit all of our scientific observations into what God tells us the age of His world is.

 

[Job 33:6]

Yes, Genesis gives the exact age of the Earth. In six days (consisting of one morning and one evening each) God made from nothing everything that is. And then He details in further chapters the age when each generation fathered the next generation down through the 23 generation (Judah). We can place the birth of Moses based on his being 80 at the Exodus, and the Exodus occurring 430 years after Abraham left Ur (Exo 12:40, Gal 3:17). And then, through archeological evidence, we can link the pharaoh of the Exodus with modern calendars (circa 1446BC). Then counting backwards from there to when Adam was created, and we have the age of the Earth at 2923.

None of that requires the Bible to be a "science textbook". It simply requires that we accept it as truth. And then we must fit all of our scientific observations into what God tells us the age of His world is.

As noted before. The heavens and the earth are created in 6 days. But the text does not speak to how long the heavens or earth were present before creation.

Genesis 1:1-3 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Creationists: how close is the Jewish Calandar to the age of the Earth?

Sure it does allow for pre existent things. In many ways. Ive made a pizza ex materia. Does that negate the truth that God made all things? Of course not. But however many pizzas you've made, you (as far as I know) do not claim to have made all things without exception. John says that all...

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[Doug Brents]

As noted before. The heavens and the earth are created in 6 days. But the text does not speak to how long the heavens or earth were present before creation.

Genesis 1:1-3 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

The heavens and earth were not present before creation. There was nothing there before creation, because it was in creation that God made the heavens and the earth from nothingness.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." When everything began (the beginning), God made from nothing everything that is (the heavens and the Earth).

 

[Job 33:6]

The heavens and earth were not present before creation. There was nothing there before creation, because it was in creation that God made the heavens and the earth from nothingness.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." When everything began (the beginning), God made from nothing everything that is (the heavens and the Earth).

Creation is an active process. It's not an event.

Genesis 1:1-3 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

When God began, the earth was chaos. It doesn't say when it was that God began creating. Only that He did. And in 6 days, he created the tohu wa bohu earth into an earth that was no longer tohu wa bohu.

Creationists: how close is the Jewish Calandar to the age of the Earth?

Sure it does allow for pre existent things. In many ways. Ive made a pizza ex materia. Does that negate the truth that God made all things? Of course not. But however many pizzas you've made, you (as far as I know) do not claim to have made all things without exception. John says that all...

www.christianforums.com

 

[Doug Brents]

Creation is an active process. It's not an event.

Genesis 1:1-3 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

When God began, the earth was chaos. It doesn't say when it was that God began creating. Only that He did. And in 6 days, he created the tohu wa bohu earth into an earth that was no longer tohu wa bohu.

The creation event in Gen 1 & 2 started with absolutely nothing. When God began, there was nothing at all. and God made everything that is form absolutely nothing, but what He made was formless and in darkness, and His Spirit was there among the "chaos". Then He created light out of nowhere.

 

[Job 33:6]

The creation event in Gen 1 & 2 started with absolutely nothing. When God began, there was nothing at all. and God made everything that is form absolutely nothing, but what He made was formless and in darkness, and His Spirit was there among the "chaos". Then He created light out of nowhere.

Nope.

Genesis 1:1-3 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

When God began, the earth was chaos. It doesn't say when it was that God began creating. Only that He did. And in 6 days, he created the tohu wa bohu earth into an earth that was no longer tohu wa bohu.

God didn't create chaos and then go back and say "oh wait, this is a problem, let me create it again in 6 days".

Oops! I didn't mean to create that, let me take six more days to go back and clean it up.

 

[Diamond72]

The whole Earth is only 5928 years old,

I come up with 5995 from when Adam was born or created. 1995 years from the beginning of the Church Age. The church age is ending and the Kingdom age is beginning.

 

[Diamond72]

When God began, there was nothing at all.

So the universe is expanding into nothing? What if the universe would shrink? Would nothing return?

 

[Diamond72]

Why would mankind, of day 6, come before the breakup of Pangea, if the fossils of mankind are only present after the presence of evidence of of Pangea separation?

Day 6 began around 250 million years ago. Day six ended 125 million years ago. Pangea broke up 200 million years ago. Most of my research on that has to do with the remains of dinosaurs in flood deposits in the Rocky mountains. The first mammals appeared in the late Triassic period, about 225 million years ago.

The atmosphere had to change. If we study the air bubbles in the ice core samples we see that the Sky was pink at the time of the dinosaurs and not blue. They had very wet conditions. The Turtle and Alligators survived and they still live a very long life and they grow to be very big. They are actually reptiles.

 

[Job 33:6]

Day 6 began around 250 million years ago. Day six ended 125 million years ago. Pangea broke up 200 million years ago. Most of my research on that has to do with the remains of dinosaurs in flood deposits in the Rocky mountains. The first mammals appeared in the late Triassic period, about 225 million years ago.

The atmosphere had to change. If we study the air bubbles in the ice core samples we see that the Sky was pink at the time of the dinosaurs and not blue. They had very wet conditions. The Turtle and Alligators survived and they still live a very long life and they grow to be very big. They are actually reptiles.

Ok. So, how does that fit in with paleontology, where human fossils do not appear until 200,000 years ago? It sounded like you were suggesting that God created mankind before the extinction of the dinosaurs?

 

[Diamond72]

Ok. So, how does that fit in with paleontology, where human fossils do not appear until 200,000 years ago? It sounded like you were suggesting that God created mankind before the extinction of the dinosaurs?

According to Schroeder day six takes us up to the time of Adam 6,000 years ago. So all of day 6 covers the last 230 million years. (.23 billion) 7.1; 3.6; 1.8; 0.89; 0.45; 0.23 in billions of years. I got a little sloppy in my explanation and I should have kept it more exact. I recently reread Schroeder book on this subject.

Gerald Schroeder - Articles - Age of the Universe

 

[Job 33:6]

According to Schroeder day six takes us up to the time of Adam 6,000 years ago. So all of day 6 covers the last 230 million years. (.23 billion) 7.1; 3.6; 1.8; 0.89; 0.45; 0.23 in billions of years. I got a little sloppy in my explanation and I should have kept it more exact. I recently reread Schroeder book on this subject.

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Gerald Schroeder - Articles - Age of the Universe

You're not making any sense here. Let's go back to what you said before:

Day five - 500 million years ago Cambrian explosion.

Day six 250 million years ago. God created male and female in His image.

Day 7 125 million when God was resting we had the break up of pangea.

Day 8 75 million years ago was the Cretaceous Period and the extinction of most dinosaurs and other species.

So, mankind is made on day 6. And then, later, on day 7, there was the separation of Pangea, 125 million years ago.

So what do you mean that you're now saying that Adam and Eve were 6,000 years ago?

 

[Diamond72]

You're not making any sense here.

You need to read the article by Schroeder. I am NOT sayings anything different from what he says in that article - that you can read in five min or less. It is not like I am asking people to read a whole book. But now a days we have AI that can read a book for us and give us the important information. So you can run your questions through AI also.

If you have a question write Schroeder an Email and he will answer you. His students keep him in line. If there is a problem they will draw it to his attention so he can resolve the issue.

 

[Diamond72]

So what do you mean that you're now saying that Adam and Eve were 6,000 years ago?

Of course Adam and Eve were ONLY 6,000 years ago. Science AND History AND the Bible confirm that. So you have at least three witness as we see with Bishop Usshers book. The bible says generations. Today we use the term genealogy. The Cohan is the best example for their virginity or purity. We read about the 144,000 in John's book of revelation.

• Biblical Lineage: The Cohanim, or Kohanim, are descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses, from the tribe of Levi. They were designated as priests in the Temple of Jerusalem and held specific religious duties.
• Genetic Studies: Modern genetic studies have identified markers in the Y-chromosome (the Cohen Modal Haplotype) that are common among many men who identify as Cohanim, suggesting a common ancestry.

The issue IS that on day six of chapter one we are not talking about Adam and Eve from Chapter two. We are talking about mankind. Male and female. I have done a lot of study on WHY God made us male and female. Even HOW God made us male and female. Chapter two had to do with one man and one women. In fact at first women was Eves' name before Adam named her Eve.

The terms "female" and "woman" are often used interchangeably, but they have distinct meanings:

Female:​

• Biological Term: "Female" is a biological term that refers to the sex of an individual who has reproductive organs that produce eggs. This term is used across species, not just for humans.
• Scientific Context: It's often used in scientific and medical contexts to describe sex-based characteristics.

Woman:​

• Gender Identity: "Woman" is a term that refers to a person's gender identity. It is used to describe an adult human female.
• Cultural and Social Role: The term encompasses not just biological aspects but also social, cultural, and personal identity factors.

Key Differences:​

• Scope: "Female" can refer to any species, while "woman" specifically refers to human beings.
• Context: "Female" is more often used in biological and scientific contexts, whereas "woman" is used in social, cultural, and personal contexts.

Understanding these distinctions helps in appreciating the nuances of language and identity.

 

[Job 33:6]

Of course Adam and Eve were ONLY 6,000 years ago. Science AND History AND the Bible confirm that. So you have at least three witness as we see with Bishop Usshers book. The bible says generations. Today we use the term genealogy. The Cohan is the best example for their virginity or purity. We read about the 144,000 in John's book of revelation.

• Biblical Lineage: The Cohanim, or Kohanim, are descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses, from the tribe of Levi. They were designated as priests in the Temple of Jerusalem and held specific religious duties.
• Genetic Studies: Modern genetic studies have identified markers in the Y-chromosome (the Cohen Modal Haplotype) that are common among many men who identify as Cohanim, suggesting a common ancestry.

The issue IS that on day six of chapter one we are not talking about Adam and Eve from Chapter two. We are talking about mankind. Male and female. I have done a lot of study on WHY God made us male and female. Even HOW God made us male and female. Chapter two had to do with one man and one women. In fact at first women was Eves' name before Adam named her Eve.

The terms "female" and "woman" are often used interchangeably, but they have distinct meanings:

Female:​

• Biological Term: "Female" is a biological term that refers to the sex of an individual who has reproductive organs that produce eggs. This term is used across species, not just for humans.
• Scientific Context: It's often used in scientific and medical contexts to describe sex-based characteristics.

Woman:​

• Gender Identity: "Woman" is a term that refers to a person's gender identity. It is used to describe an adult human female.
• Cultural and Social Role: The term encompasses not just biological aspects but also social, cultural, and personal identity factors.

Key Differences:​

• Scope: "Female" can refer to any species, while "woman" specifically refers to human beings.
• Context: "Female" is more often used in biological and scientific contexts, whereas "woman" is used in social, cultural, and personal contexts.

Understanding these distinctions helps in appreciating the nuances of language and identity.

But you just said this:

Day six 250 million years ago. God created male and female in His image.

Day 7 125 million when God was resting we had the break up of pange

So what are you talking about, saying that mankind was around 250 million years ago? And then day 7, 125 million years ago, Pangea split.

So, do you think that mankind was created before the splitting of Pangea?

 

[Job 33:6]

You need to read the article by Schroeder. I am NOT sayings anything different from what he says in that article - that you can read in five min or less. It is not like I am asking people to read a whole book. But now a days we have AI that can read a book for us and give us the important information. So you can run your questions through AI also.

If you have a question write Schroeder an Email and he will answer you. His students keep him in line. If there is a problem they will draw it to his attention so he can resolve the issue.

You have to understand your own source. You're deflecting now in an effort to avoid explaining your own thoughts.

 

[Job 33:6]

Of course Adam and Eve were ONLY 6,000 years ago. Science AND History AND the Bible confirm that. So you have at least three witness as we see with Bishop Usshers book. The bible says generations. Today we use the term genealogy. The Cohan is the best example for their virginity or purity. We read about the 144,000 in John's book of revelation.

• Biblical Lineage: The Cohanim, or Kohanim, are descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses, from the tribe of Levi. They were designated as priests in the Temple of Jerusalem and held specific religious duties.
• Genetic Studies: Modern genetic studies have identified markers in the Y-chromosome (the Cohen Modal Haplotype) that are common among many men who identify as Cohanim, suggesting a common ancestry.

The issue IS that on day six of chapter one we are not talking about Adam and Eve from Chapter two. We are talking about mankind. Male and female. I have done a lot of study on WHY God made us male and female. Even HOW God made us male and female. Chapter two had to do with one man and one women. In fact at first women was Eves' name before Adam named her Eve.

The terms "female" and "woman" are often used interchangeably, but they have distinct meanings:

Female:​

• Biological Term: "Female" is a biological term that refers to the sex of an individual who has reproductive organs that produce eggs. This term is used across species, not just for humans.
• Scientific Context: It's often used in scientific and medical contexts to describe sex-based characteristics.

Woman:​

• Gender Identity: "Woman" is a term that refers to a person's gender identity. It is used to describe an adult human female.
• Cultural and Social Role: The term encompasses not just biological aspects but also social, cultural, and personal identity factors.

Key Differences:​

• Scope: "Female" can refer to any species, while "woman" specifically refers to human beings.
• Context: "Female" is more often used in biological and scientific contexts, whereas "woman" is used in social, cultural, and personal contexts.

Understanding these distinctions helps in appreciating the nuances of language and identity.

Here is the only tangible statement in the entire weblink that you've shared:

"Introducing this correction into the exponential equation that details the duration of the six 24 hour days of Genesis Chapter One results in an age of the universe from our perspective of 14 billion years [14, 000,000,000 years]. From the Bible’s perspective of time for those six evocative days of Genesis, the number of our years held compressed within each of those six 24 hour days of Genesis, starting with Day One, would be, in billions of years, respectively, 7.1; 3.6; 1.8; 0.89; 0.45; 0.23."


Day 1: 7.1 billion years
Day 2: 3.6 billion years
Day 3: 1.8 billion years
Day 4: 0.89 billion years
Day 5: 0.45 billion years
Day 6: 0.23 billion years
Day 7: 0.12 billion years (this value follows the decreasing trend)

And I'm sorry, but scientifically, this doesnt make any sense.

Let's convert it for simplicity:
Day 1: 7.1 billion years
Day 2: 3.6 billion years
Day 3: 1.8 billion years
Day 4: 890 million years
Day 5: 450 million years
Day 6: 230 million years
Day 7: 120 million years

Now, people were not around 230 millions years ago, and if day 7 came after day 6, and day 7 was 120 million years ago, then that presents an obvious conflict. People were likewise not around 120 million years ago.

Indeed, you did properly translate the information from your source. However, it is inconsistent with paleontology, and it is plainly incorrect.

Also, if birds and fish were created on day 5, that might imply that birds were around in the ordovician, and I'm sorry but that's completely wrong. Birds were not around in the Paleozoic.

This is just as bad as reading young earth creationist content. People cant seem to come to terms with the fact that the Bible is not a science textbook.

 

[Diamond72]

if day 7 came after day 6, and day 7 was 120 million years ago

Then day 8 with Adam would be 60 million years ago, not 6,000 years ago. Science and the Bible line up and agree with each other. That is the main consideration here. Not to work out all the minute details.

Many believe that science and the Bible are not in conflict, but rather complement each other. The Bible provides a spiritual and moral framework, while science helps us understand the physical universe. Throughout history, numerous scientists who were also people of faith have made significant contributions to our understanding of the natural world, showing that faith and reason can coexist harmoniously.

 

[Job 33:6]

Then day 8 with Adam would be 60 million years ago, not 6,000 years ago. Science and the Bible line up and agree with each other. That is the main consideration here. Not to work out all the minute details.

Exactly. And since Adam didn't actually live 60 million years ago, and since mankind as a whole didn't exist 60 million years ago, then we know that it's wrong to say that day 8 is that long ago.

In conclusion, your resource is wrong. And it's pretty easy to see that it is with just a brief glance.

 

[Diamond72]

In conclusion, your resource is wrong.

My resource is the ONLY game in town. You say I am wrong because I do not want to take the time to answer your questions. OH well, so be it, I have better things to do with my time.