The Great Oxygen Event

[Diamond72]

Science tells us about the Great Oxygen Event. In the Bible that would be the third day: Genesis 1: 11Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so." On the fourth day we read about: "the vault in the sky" also called the firmament. We know that the "sky" has an atmosphere made up of oxygen. We know this oxygen comes from plants. When we see red rocks or clay this is from the oxygen being absorbed by the earth. Man is said to be ruddy or red from the red clay that God formed man from. God gives us physical evidence that we can see. Lots and Lots and LOTS of physical evidence to give a witness to what God has done.

According to the Bible, God created the first man, Adam, from the dust of the ground. In the Hebrew Bible, the word for "man" (Adam) is "אָדָם" (Adam), and it is closely related to the word for "ground" or "earth" (adamah).

Isaiah 64:8 (NIV):​

• "Yet you, Lord, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand."

Romans 9 21 "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?"

 

[Doug Brents]

Science tells us about the Great Oxygen Event. In the Bible that would be the third day: Genesis 1: 11Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so." On the fourth day we read about: "the vault in the sky" also called the firmament. We know that the "sky" has an atmosphere made up of oxygen. We know this oxygen comes from plants. When we see red rocks or clay this is from the oxygen being absorbed by the earth. Man is said to be ruddy or red from the red clay that God formed man from. God gives us physical evidence that we can see. Lots and Lots and LOTS of physical evidence to give a witness to what God has done.

According to the Bible, God created the first man, Adam, from the dust of the ground. In the Hebrew Bible, the word for "man" (Adam) is "אָדָם" (Adam), and it is closely related to the word for "ground" or "earth" (adamah).

Isaiah 64:8 (NIV):​

• "Yet you, Lord, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand."

Romans 9 21 "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?"


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Does the "great oxygen event" have geological evidence above the "great unconformity"? If so, then it is a post flood event. The "great unconformity" is the line of wear down to which the Flood eroded the land during that event. Everything above that surface was deposited during or after the Flood.

 

[Diamond72]

Does the "great oxygen event" have geological evidence above the "great unconformity"? If so, then it is a post flood event. The "great unconformity" is the line of wear down to which the Flood eroded the land during that event. Everything above that surface was deposited during or after the Flood.

Noah's flood came much later. Noah had to have oxygen to live. The Bible talks about the breath of life. This is why God created plants first because they created the oxygen that we need to live. Through the process of photosynthesis, ancient plants and cyanobacteria produced oxygen, which gradually increased the levels of oxygen in the atmosphere—a pivotal event known as the Great Oxygenation Event.

 

[Doug Brents]

Noah's flood came much later. Noah had to have oxygen to live. The Bible talks about the breath of life. This is why God created plants first because they created the oxygen that we need to live. Through the process of photosynthesis, ancient plants and cyanobacteria produced oxygen, which gradually increased the levels of oxygen in the atmosphere—a pivotal event known as the Great Oxygenation Event.

Any evidence of that event at Creation would have been completely scoured away by the Flood.

And there was only two days between the creation of plants and the creation of sea animals, three days between the creation of plants and the creation of land animals (including humans). So there was no time for there to be a "gradual increase" in the oxygen level.

You are speaking from an evolutionary mindset, but the Scripture tells us that there was no evolution involved with Creation. God made every kind of animal and plant unique from the very instant that He made them. There was no time for evolution, because there were only 6 days from nothing at all to a fully populated Earth.

 

[Diamond72]

Any evidence of that event at Creation would have been completely scoured away by the Flood.

They say that the grand caynon is evidence for Noah's flood. They also say the layers in the Grand Caynon were created by Noah's flood. So it has to be one or the other. It can not be both.

We find dinosaurs that lived 200 billion years ago in flood deposits. They say that is evidence for Noah's flood because of the remains we find. Now you say the opposite that the flood destroyed all evidence of anything.

Maybe that is why people think that the moon landing was a holly wood production. They lack any confidence in Science and the claims of science. Even though Science created the computer or phone that are using to have the conversation.

So there was no time for there to be a "gradual increase" in the oxygen level.

I do not remember saying anything about gradual. The geologist you are talking about was a Christian. Their gradualism theory is based on layers in the earth and ice cores samples. I live in a Great Lakes state and we have 15 feet of muck here that was left by the glaciers when they melted. Geology and the study of rocks can be very interesting. Every rock has a story to tell. I esp like river rocks that have been formed by the water.

The geologist who is most famously associated with the idea of gradual geology is James Hutton. He is often referred to as the "Father of Modern Geology". Hutton's theory, known as uniformitarianism, proposed that the Earth's features were shaped by slow, continuous processes over immense periods of time, rather than by sudden, catastrophic events.

Hutton's ideas laid the foundation for modern geological thought and greatly influenced later scientists, including Charles Lyell, who further developed and popularized the concept of gradualism.

 

[Diamond72]

You are speaking from an evolutionary mindset

That is the term we use: "Theistic Evolution". It is misleading because we do not actually believe in Darwin's Evolution. That is just a word in our dictionary that Darwin hijacked and tried to redefine. We need a better term and soon enough one will come along. People have always believed that God uses natural laws to create the universe.

Theistic Evolution​

• Integration of Faith and Science: Theistic evolution is the view that God uses the process of evolution to create life in its diversity. Proponents see natural laws as tools employed by the divine to shape the universe.

Natural Theology​

• Observing Creation: Natural theology argues that evidence of God can be found in the natural world. By studying nature and its laws, believers feel they can gain insights into the nature and intentions of the divine.

 

[Doug Brents]

They say that the grand caynon is evidence for Noah's flood. They also say the layers in the Grand Caynon were created by Noah's flood. So it has to be one or the other. It can not be both.

Yes, it can be both. From what can be told of the geology of the area, the layers we see in the Grand Canyon were laid down very rapidly as the dirt settled out of the water of the Flood, mounding up almost a mile thick in some places. And then when the waters receded, they left a giant lake in what is today "four corners" USA (northern Arizona and New Mexico, and southern Utah and Colorado. When that lake spilled over, it very quickly carved the canyon in which the Colorado River flows today. This function was demonstrated in the Mt St Helen's eruption in 1980, and the subsequent fallout and erosion caused by melted ice on the mountain's face. We now have the mini-grand canyon on the side of the mountain, and it was carved in less than a week, not billions of years.

We find dinosaurs that lived 200 billion years ago in flood deposits. They say that is evidence for Noah's flood because of the remains we find. Now you say the opposite that the flood destroyed all evidence of anything.

No, the evidence of the dinosaurs we find are either from the Flood or from post Flood disasters. They are not pre-Flood, and certainly not "200 billion years" old. The whole Earth is only 5928 years old, and the Flood occurred in the year 1658 after Creation.

Maybe that is why people think that the moon landing was a holly wood production. They lack any confidence in Science and the claims of science. Even though Science created the computer or phone that are using to have the conversation.

I do not remember saying anything about gradual.

which gradually increased the levels of oxygen

This is your statement about the "gradual increase".

The geologist you are talking about was a Christian. Their gradualism theory is based on layers in the earth and ice cores samples. I live in a Great Lakes state and we have 15 feet of muck here that was left by the glaciers when they melted. Geology and the study of rocks can be very interesting. Every rock has a story to tell. I esp like river rocks that have been formed by the water.

The geologist who is most famously associated with the idea of gradual geology is James Hutton. He is often referred to as the "Father of Modern Geology". Hutton's theory, known as uniformitarianism, proposed that the Earth's features were shaped by slow, continuous processes over immense periods of time, rather than by sudden, catastrophic events.

Hutton's ideas laid the foundation for modern geological thought and greatly influenced later scientists, including Charles Lyell, who further developed and popularized the concept of gradualism.

It does not matter if a person is "Christian" or not. If their theories are contrary to Scripture, then their theories are worthless. Any theory of "gradual" formation of the Earth, atmosphere, etc. is worthless. It does not account for catastrophic events, and the actions of God in the formation of what we see.

 

[Doug Brents]

That is the term we use: "Theistic Evolution". It is misleading because we do not actually believe in Darwin's Evolution. That is just a word in our dictionary that Darwin hijacked and tried to redefine. We need a better term and soon enough one will come along. People have always believed that God uses natural laws to create the universe.

Theistic Evolution​

• Integration of Faith and Science: Theistic evolution is the view that God uses the process of evolution to create life in its diversity. Proponents see natural laws as tools employed by the divine to shape the universe.

Natural Theology​

• Observing Creation: Natural theology argues that evidence of God can be found in the natural world. By studying nature and its laws, believers feel they can gain insights into the nature and intentions of the divine.

The thing is though that God DIDN'T use "natural laws" or processes to create the universe. He set and established the natural laws after He caused everything to come into being from nothingness. There were no natural laws, because there was no nature, before He caused them to be.

 

[Diamond72]

There were no natural laws, because there was no nature, before He caused them to be.

You can not have a universe without laws to regulate and govern that universe. WE do not know where the laws are. We can only see the effect of the laws. But for the most part we believe that in the Beginning God created the natural laws.

Many people of faith believe that the natural laws governing the universe were established by God in the act of creation. This view is rooted in the opening verse of the Bible, Genesis 1:1:
> "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

God not only created the physical universe but also the fundamental principles and laws that allow it to function in an orderly manner. These natural laws, which include gravity, electromagnetism, and the laws of motion, are seen as the framework within which the universe operates.

 

[Doug Brents]

You can not have a universe without laws to regulate and govern that universe. WE do not know where the laws are. We can only see the effect of the laws. But for the most part we believe that in the Beginning God created the natural laws.

That is what I said. There were no natural laws before there was a nature. But when God created the universe out of nothing, He also created the laws which govern the universe.

Many people of faith believe that the natural laws governing the universe were established by God in the act of creation. This view is rooted in the opening verse of the Bible, Genesis 1:1:
> "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

God not only created the physical universe but also the fundamental principles and laws that allow it to function in an orderly manner. These natural laws, which include gravity, electromagnetism, and the laws of motion, are seen as the framework within which the universe operates.

My point was that there were no natural laws for God to use to make the universe, because the natural laws are a part of the universe that He created from nothing. He didn't use the natural laws to create the world, because creating life from nothing is a violation of all "natural" laws. And there was no time for natural selection to make all the diversity of life we see in the world, because the world has only been around for 5928 years. God created all the diversity that is in the Earth (and more since some kinds of animals have gone extinct) on just two days.

 

[Job 33:6]

Science tells us about the Great Oxygen Event. In the Bible that would be the third day: Genesis 1: 11Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so." On the fourth day we read about: "the vault in the sky" also called the firmament. We know that the "sky" has an atmosphere made up of oxygen. We know this oxygen comes from plants. When we see red rocks or clay this is from the oxygen being absorbed by the earth. Man is said to be ruddy or red from the red clay that God formed man from. God gives us physical evidence that we can see. Lots and Lots and LOTS of physical evidence to give a witness to what God has done.

According to the Bible, God created the first man, Adam, from the dust of the ground. In the Hebrew Bible, the word for "man" (Adam) is "אָדָם" (Adam), and it is closely related to the word for "ground" or "earth" (adamah).

Isaiah 64:8 (NIV):​

• "Yet you, Lord, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand."

Romans 9 21 "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?"


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Plants are not found anywhere near strata of banded iron formations. Nor any other fossils of fish and birds.

The Bible is not a science textbook. You're wasting your time trying to align these things.

 

[Diamond72]

But when God created the universe out of nothing

In the beginning of time was something. Mostly hydrogen and helium with a little lithium. Nothing does not exist, there is always something. The vacuum of space, often thought of as "nothing," actually teems with particles and energy fluctuations.

the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN operates under conditions that are as close to "nothing" as we can achieve in a laboratory setting, but it is still filled with activity at the quantum level. The concept of absolute "nothing" remains largely theoretical and elusive in practical physics.

The universe is expanding now but eventually it will all come back together again.

 

[Diamond72]

The Bible is not a science textbook. You're wasting your time trying to align these things.

It is a waste of time to explain to people what I have discovered. I still do what I do for my own benefit and understanding. People have to arrive at their own conclusions in their own time.

 

[Doug Brents]

In the beginning of time was something. Mostly hydrogen and helium with a little lithium. Nothing does not exist, there is always something. The vacuum of space, often thought of as "nothing," actually teems with particles and energy fluctuations.

That is true. But before there was time there was nothing, not even space. You are talking about the existence of the physical realm. But before God created it, there was no physical anything. There was only Spirit, because that is what God is, and He is all that existed before He created the heavens (space) and the Earth.

the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN operates under conditions that are as close to "nothing" as we can achieve in a laboratory setting, but it is still filled with activity at the quantum level. The concept of absolute "nothing" remains largely theoretical and elusive in practical physics.

The universe is expanding now but eventually it will all come back together again.

That is all well and good, but it does not account for the purely spiritual realm where nothing physical exists, not time, not matter, not energy (as we know it), nothing.

 

[Job 33:6]

It is a waste of time to explain to people what I have discovered. I still do what I do for my own benefit and understanding. People have to arrive at their own conclusions in their own time.

Well, here are some considerations for your internal review:

BIFs of the great oxidation event, long predate, superpositionally, any bird or fish fossil, and any plant fossil of the fossil record. And thus, this would not align with the Genesis days of creation.

Id recommend considering a non-concordist approach to Genesis. I'm a professional geologist, and I've been looking at this topic for some 15 years now. And I'm just making an effort to help you save the time that the rest of us have lost over the years. Bible scholars such as Dr. John Walton and Dr. Micheal Heiser, in their lectures on Genesis, offer the most sound approach to reconciliation between science and the Bible. Id recommend review on of their content and books. Especially, The Unseen Realm and divine council content by Dr. Micheal Heiser (and obviously his Genesis and the Ancient near east lecture), and Dr. John Walton's lost world of Genesis 1 content. As well as a book titled "Reading Genesis 1 and 2: An Evangelical Conversation".

 

[Job 33:6]

Well, here are some considerations for your internal review:

BIFs of the great oxidation event, long predate, superpositionally, any bird or fish fossil, and any plant fossil of the fossil record. And thus, this would not align with the Genesis days of creation.

Id recommend considering a non-concordist approach to Genesis. I'm a professional geologist, and I've been looking at this topic for some 15 years now. And I'm just making an effort to help you save the time that the rest of us have lost over the years. Bible scholars such as Dr. John Walton and Dr. Micheal Heiser, in their lectures on Genesis, offer the most sound approach to reconciliation between science and the Bible. Id recommend review on of their content and books. Especially, The Unseen Realm and divine council content by Dr. Micheal Heiser (and obviously his Genesis and the Ancient near east lecture), and Dr. John Walton's lost world of Genesis 1 content. As well as a book titled "Reading Genesis 1 and 2: An Evangelical Conversation".

BIFs of course are billions of years old. Early fish appear in perhaps the Cambrian or so. Birds do not appear until the Mesozoic. And plants, at least In a terrestrial sense as might be thought of in Genesis, do not appear until the devonian. But this is a drastic oversimplification. Ultimately just to get the point across that, trying to fit BIFs in with Genesis, is going in the wrong direction.

Similar to how the early church tried to align geocentrism with the Bible. That's just not what the Bible is about.

 

[Doug Brents]

BIFs of course are billions of years old. Early fish appear in perhaps the Cambrian or so. Birds do not appear until the Mesozoic. And plants, at least In a terrestrial sense as might be thought of in Genesis, do not appear until the devonian. But this is a drastic oversimplification. Ultimately just to get the point across that, trying to fit BIFs in with Genesis, is going in the wrong direction.

Similar to how the early church tried to align geocentrism with the Bible. That's just not what the Bible is about.

Is the Bible your baseline for truth? Or is your opinion of how an observed phenomenon should be interpreted your baseline for truth? If you are your baseline for truth, then there is no TRUTH, because it can be entirely different for each person. But if God is your baseline for truth, then you must fit all of your interpretations of what you see into what He said. And none of what you said about BIFs is true within the confines of what God wrote.

 

[Job 33:6]

Is the Bible your baseline for truth? Or is your opinion of how an observed phenomenon should be interpreted your baseline for truth? If you are your baseline for truth, then there is no TRUTH, because it can be entirely different for each person. But if God is your baseline for truth, then you must fit all of your interpretations of what you see into what He said. And none of what you said about BIFs is true within the confines of what God wrote.

What do you mean? And yes, the Bible is my baseline for truth.

Treating the Bible like a science textbook has never been canon.

And it's just a basic fact of reality that BIF stratigraphy predates fish, birds, and terrestrial plants. So I'm not sure what the issue here is.

Genesis says nothing of the age of the earth, if that is your concern:

Genesis 1:1-3 NRSV
[1] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

 

[Diamond72]

I'm a professional geologist, atnd I've been looking at this topic for some 15 years now.

I do a lot with rock art. Every rock has a story to tell. I like to balance them. It is amazing how easy they are to balance.

The events line in the Bible line up with science, but the time is clearly not consistent. Gerald Schroeder's PhD resolves that issue with Einstein's theory of relativity. Each day in Genesis is half the length of the day before. I struggled with that for 20 years until Schroeder provided the solution. I do not do a lot of fancy math. Each day is half the day before. Schroeder does the exact math on his website. For me day one is 8 billion years. Very simple math. The earth is 4.5 billion years, the universe is 12.5, so that means the first day when God made the Heavens and the Earth is 8 billion years.

The second day is 4 billion. What happened? The earth cooled enough so that water became just that water a liquid. Water can be solid, a liquid or gas - vaper depending on the temperature. We are MOSTLY made up of water. Individual humans can be considered drops of water in the sea of humanity. And so on. No water, no humans.

Day three is 2 billion years ago. What happened? The great oxygen event. As a geologiest you would know a lot about day three because we can see the red in the rocks at that layer. The bible makes second hand referance to this. The clay God used to make Adam was red. God beathed life into Adam, that in part involves oxygen.

Day four is 1 billion years. Mesoproterozoic Era That has to do with light. Where does oxygen come from? Light. What does google say? "Around one billion years ago, a significant event in Earth's history was the evolution of multicellular life, marking a shift from primarily single-celled organisms to more complex life forms, often referred to as a "slow revolution" in the evolution of life on Earth; this period also saw the development of more diverse microbial organisms."

Day five - 500 million years ago Cambrian explosion.

Day six 250 million years ago. God created male and female in His image.

Day 7 125 million when God was resting we had the break up of pangea.

Day 8 75 million years ago was the Cretaceous Period and the extinction of most dinosaurs and other species.

 

[Job 33:6]

I do a lot with rock art. Every rock has a story to tell. I like to balance them. It is amazing how easy they are to balance.

The events line in the Bible line up with science, but the time is clearly not consistent. Gerald Schroeder's PhD resolves that issue with Einstein's theory of relativity. Each day in Genesis is half the length of the day before. I struggled with that for 20 years until Schroeder provided the solution. I do not do a lot of fancy math. Each day is half the day before. Schroeder does the exact math on his website. For me day one is 8 billion years. Very simple math. The earth is 4.5 billion years, the universe is 12.5, so that means the first day when God made the Heavens and the Earth is 8 billion years.

The second day is 4 billion. What happened? The earth cooled enough so that water became just that water a liquid. Water can be solid, a liquid or gas - vaper depending on the temperature. We are MOSTLY made up of water. Individual humans can be considered drops of water in the sea of humanity. And so on. No water, no humans.

Day three is 2 billion years ago. What happened? The great oxygen event. As a geologiest you would know a lot about day three because we can see the red in the rocks at that layer. The bible makes second hand referance to this. The clay God used to make Adam was red. God beathed life into Adam, that in part involves oxygen.

Day four is 1 billion years. Mesoproterozoic Era That has to do with light. Where does oxygen come from? Light. What does google say? "Around one billion years ago, a significant event in Earth's history was the evolution of multicellular life, marking a shift from primarily single-celled organisms to more complex life forms, often referred to as a "slow revolution" in the evolution of life on Earth; this period also saw the development of more diverse microbial organisms."

Day five - 500 million years ago Cambrian explosion.

Day six 250 million years ago. God created male and female in His image.

Day 7 125 million when God was resting we had the break up of pangea.

Day 8 75 million years ago was the Cretaceous Period and the extinction of most dinosaurs and other species.
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Why would mankind, of day 6, come before the breakup of Pangea, if the fossils of mankind are only present after the presence of evidence of of Pangea separation? Or, why would mankind be created before the extinction of the dinosaurs, if human fossils are not found in the Cretaceous?