I'm not talking about public places in general, I'm talking about the seaside and only the seaside.
I'm talking very hot weather, swimming in the sea, sunbathing and possibly eating ice creams that melt and make a mess all over the place. What do you suggest for these activities - full length evening gown?
Are you aware there are some folks that go to the beach just to lust after women in bikinis and swimsuits?
The same may be true of public swimming baths; that doesn't mean I shouldn't swim just because men can't control their thoughts. A few people may go to supermarkets just to shoplift; does that mean the rest of us can't go shopping? Some people buy computers just to look at inappropriate content on line; does that mean computers are wicked and those of us who use them are wrong? If no one bought computers, the firms would go out of business and online inappropriate content/computer addiction wouldn't be a problem. By using the things that cause others to sin, are we adding to the problem? Of course not.
If a man wants to fantasize about, or make a pass at, a woman, he is perfectly capable of doing so wherever he is and whatever she's wearing.
But as this is actually becoming a rather ridiculous thread - if it wasn't in the first place, and does not play a huge part in the current theological debate of the church, I think I'll leave you all to it.
If bikinis bother you, don't wear them, or go to places where women wear them and risk becoming tempted - simple.
Tell me, why do you think that prostitutes often wear skimpy outfits?
Why would you advocate for Christian women to wear skimpy outfits in public places, when you clearly know that doing so may cause others to stumble?
Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! Matthew 18:7
Scriptures does discourage wearing revealing attires in public.
I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 1 Timothy 2:9-10
Why would you advocate for Christian women to wear skimpy outfits in public places, when you clearly know that doing so may cause others to stumble?
Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! Matthew 18:7
You can run but you can't hide!Did you check behind the trees?
Get's more amazing as it goes lolSeriously, though, even though I cannot stomach following these threads anymore,
That's kind of you to say.I do appreciate that you seem to be a woman who actually is affected by the Word of God and not by what society deems to be normal or acceptable. Good for you.
According to your faith...
She probably got that from reading the Bible:
When He entered the house, the blind men came up to Him,
and Jesus said to them, "Do you believe that I am able to do this?"
They said to Him, "Yes, Lord."
29Then He touched their eyes, saying,
"It shall be done to you according to your faith."
30And their eyes were opened.
I was answering to a specific scenario.Lazarus and Tabitha were raised from the dead - they had no faith at all.
Lazarus and Tabitha were raised from the dead - they had no faith at all.
If someone prays for healing and the healing has notI think, though, that one could argue that it was attributed to the faith of those around these people. The centurion's daughter, for example, also could be said to have no faith, but the centurion believed.
I just think it's a mistake to tell someone that if they pray for healing or curing or for whatever and it's not granted that they lack faith. That is just simply not something we can judge.
This passage isn't actually about outward appearances. Note the second half, which talks about good deeds. Christians aren't to be judged on their appearance, but by how their faith lives out.
On a beach, a bikini is not considered "skimpy". It is part and parcel of what people wear at beaches, much like running shorts are a part of what people may wear when they run.
At any point in time, something I may or may not do may cause someone to stumble - NOT because of me necessarily but because of a lack of understanding on their part.
I am a pastor's wife. I like to be social with my friends. We often go to the winery and sometimes to the restaurants and yes, we do drink. We do NOT get drunk. There are some, though, that think several incorrect things about what I do. There are some who think that if the pastor's wife can go out and get drunk, then so can they. There are others who believe that I am somehow wrong for going out with my friends.
As I said earlier in the thread, it does no good for me to change who I am to please others when there is nothing wrong with who I am. I do not control your thoughts. For all I know, you are aroused at the thought of women wearing burkas. Does this then mean I am at fault for your thoughts if I wore a burka?
Hardly
Going by your interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:9-10, it would mean that Christians can dress whatever way they want to church and it would be ok....because we ain't supposed to judge outwards appearance. Right?
I would tell her how glad I was to see her in church.Well then, since you are a pastor's wife, what would you advise a young woman coming to church wearing a low cut top that accentuate her breasts and a very short skirt? How would you handle that situation?
Again, not what I said.So, because other people dress in short and revealing clothing, it's ok for Christians to do the same?
In appropriate public places, I don't think He'd really care.Answer this honestly if you can: would Jesus approve of seeing Christians today wearing bikinis in public places?
Would you eat pork in front of a person who considers such meat as unclean?
Why would you advocate for Christian women to wear skimpy outfits in public places, when you clearly know that doing so may cause others to stumble?
Not a fan of bikes anymore, but I had a few when I was a teenager.My best friend just bought her first ever motorcycle at age 52 (53 in less than a month). Half her family disapproves and thinks she's nuts, and some have stopped speaking to her. Being the conciliatory sort that I am, I suggested she top it off by getting her first tattoo. I recommended an artfully done tramp-stamp saying "What are YOU looking at?"
:-D
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