The GOALS of the SEVENTIETH WEEK are KEY TOPICS of the NEW TESTAMENT.

[grafted branch]

Sorry, I’ve been out of town for a few days. Let’s now look at how the fifth goal of the seventieth week was understood by New Testament writers to have been fulfilled.

• Fifth, they (the weeks) sealed the vision, authenticating Jesus as the One from God and his ministry as the fulfilment of the promise.

The final two objectives were achieved following the Cross and by the conclusion of the 70th week. To ‘seal up vision and prophecy’ is speaking of the authentication and completion of Messiah’s ministry.

@Spiritual Jew provides three verses in his post #10 and I re-quote one of them here.

"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished." (Luke 18:31)​

This is not meant to infer that prophecy (per se) has ended, or that nothing of future events can be anticipated in the sense that a Preterist might understand it. But ‘vision and prophecy’, in the context given, relates to the messianic purpose which was fulfilled in Jesus Christ and sealed when the times in question were completed. As for last-day events predicted in the book of Revelation, these are independent of the atonement and correspond to Daniel chapter seven, not to Daniel chapter nine. Bible students, therefore, need to discern which area of prophecy has been sealed up and which has not.

Just an observation here, the vision and prophecy are sealed up because the things Jesus did fulfilled the scriptures by the end of the 70th week. In Revelation 5:9 the book with the seals is able to be opened because the Lamb was slain.

So Jesus both sealed and prevailed to unseal at the same time.

 

[parousia70]

My argument is still this. Verse 27, the entire verse, it is pertaining to the 70th week. It is impossible to interpret this without it involving a gap somewhere, in light of, that verse 27, the entire verse, pertains to the 70th week.

So, it is therefore correct to assert that The Distance from Seattle Washington to New York City is EXACTLY 70 Miles.
The fact that there is a 2930 mile gap between mile 69 & mile 70 does not change this fact.
The two cities are ONLY 70 miles apart.
Do I have this right?

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Are you suggesting that no one in Israel will sin ever again at that point? I was hoping you would be more straightforward with your answer this time, but it doesn't look like it.

Have you somehow forgotten about Satan's little season that occurs after the thousand years? How does your view that the end of sins comes at the return of Christ fit with your belief that Satan's little season occurs after the return of Christ (a literal thousand years later)?

Hi reconciliation is restoration of right relationship between parties that have something between them. The LORD judged Israel in 70 AD and deemed them not his people. The reconciliation between Daniels people and the LORD is what is taking place. To finish the transgression is unbelieving Israel is now believing Israel. Those in hell are there for unbelief as all sin can be removed that only transgression that keeps you out of heaven in unbelief. The end of sins must be defined and until after the great white throne judgment there will still be sin in the world so what is this talking about? The tribulation will have the man of sin revealed and his dominion is over everything. The liberation from this reign of sin is one way it could be.

Israel is and has always been the stiff necked rebellious people and after this liberation at the 2nd coming things are different which bring us to your last point of Satans little rebellion after the 1000 years are over. Here you seem to see that the gap is real and the events of Armageddon and this rebellion are separated by 1000 years. Yes I believe this is exactly what is coming. Daniel 7 11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

These are powers and principalities who never regain their dominion but their lives are prolonged for 1000 years season to be released for a time at the end of that. This is where the Rev narrative of Satan being loosed ties in. That is why Armageddon is a much different event than the end of this rebellion. The plain reading of all these texts shows the same result. Before and after deliverance just like Luke 1 says. The reign of Jesus for these 1000 years will be established with judgment and justice from that time forward forever over all the earth. Nothing like we have seen the last 2000 years.

 

[DavidPT]

So, it is therefore correct to assert that The Distance from Seattle Washington to New York City is EXACTLY 70 Miles.
The fact that there is a 2930 mile gap between mile 69 & mile 70 does not change this fact.
The two cities are ONLY 70 miles apart.
Do I have this right?

Your analogy is not making sense to me in light of what I'm arguing. If all of verse 27 involves the 70th week, the portion involving abominations did not occur within 3.5 years of Christ's death and resurrection, thus only a gap could explain this.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Let's assume 2 things here. 1) the first 2 pronouns are meaning Christ. 2) This entire verse involves the 70th week. None of it involves anything outside of the 70th week.

IOW---And Christ shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week Christ shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

So then, did the following happen within the remaining 3.5 years following the sacrifice and oblation ceasing---and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate? If no, and that this entire verse pertains to the 70th week, it is impossible to interpret it without it involving a gap. The way a lot of you try and get around this, you insist that some of verse 27 doesn't even involve the 70th week, it involves something outside of it, beyond it.

 

[Timtofly]

So, it is therefore correct to assert that The Distance from Seattle Washington to New York City is EXACTLY 70 Miles.
The fact that there is a 2930 mile gap between mile 69 & mile 70 does not change this fact.
The two cities are ONLY 70 miles apart.
Do I have this right?

Only for those asleep at the wheel.

Only Preterist claim the 70 miles as being factual. Most accept that Jesus implied "2930" because the "car" is still moving, and not quite there. 70 miles happened about 2860 miles back.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Hi reconciliation is restoration of right relationship between parties that have something between them. The LORD judged Israel in 70 AD and deemed them not his people. The reconciliation between Daniels people and the LORD is what is taking place. To finish the transgression is unbelieving Israel is now believing Israel. Those in hell are there for unbelief as all sin can be removed that only transgression that keeps you out of heaven in unbelief. The end of sins must be defined and until after the great white throne judgment there will still be sin in the world so what is this talking about? The tribulation will have the man of sin revealed and his dominion is over everything. The liberation from this reign of sin is one way it could be.

Israel is and has always been the stiff necked rebellious people and after this liberation at the 2nd coming things are different which bring us to your last point of Satans little rebellion after the 1000 years are over. Here you seem to see that the gap is real and the events of Armageddon and this rebellion are separated by 1000 years. Yes I believe this is exactly what is coming. Daniel 7 11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

These are powers and principalities who never regain their dominion but their lives are prolonged for 1000 years season to be released for a time at the end of that. This is where the Rev narrative of Satan being loosed ties in. That is why Armageddon is a much different event than the end of this rebellion. The plain reading of all these texts shows the same result. Before and after deliverance just like Luke 1 says. The reign of Jesus for these 1000 years will be established with judgment and justice from that time forward forever over all the earth. Nothing like we have seen the last 2000 years.

Sorry, but I can't make any sense out of anything you're saying here. To make the end of sins have something to do with "liberation from this reign of sin" of the man of sin makes no sense to me at all. It's pretty clear to me that you don't really have any idea of how that prophecy could be fulfilled in the future.

Jesus came to shed His blood as a sacrifice for sins in order to take away penalty for sins. That is what making an end of sins means and it was fulfilled long ago.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Your analogy is not making sense to me in light of what I'm arguing. If all of verse 27 involves the 70th week, the portion involving abominations did not occur within 3.5 years of Christ's death and resurrection, thus only a gap could explain this.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Let's assume 2 things here. 1) the first 2 pronouns are meaning Christ. 2) This entire verse involves the 70th week. None of it involves anything outside of the 70th week.

IOW---And Christ shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week Christ shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

So then, did the following happen within the remaining 3.5 years following the sacrifice and oblation ceasing---and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate? If no, and that this entire verse pertains to the 70th week, it is impossible to interpret it without it involving a gap. The way a lot of you try and get around this, you insist that some of verse 27 doesn't even involve the 70th week, it involves something outside of it, beyond it.

Why does the entire verse have to relate directly to the 70th week? You always insist that, but I see no reason why that has to be the case.

Verse 26 references the destruction of the city and the sanctuary. Why can't verse 27 allude to that as well? Jesus made the temple spiritually desolate with His death (the veil tearing in two signified that). It remained spiritually desolate even until the consummation, which I take to be a reference to the time when it was made physically desolate by being physically destroyed.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Just an observation here, the vision and prophecy are sealed up because the things Jesus did fulfilled the scriptures by the end of the 70th week. In Revelation 5:9 the book with the seals is able to be opened because the Lamb was slain.

So Jesus both sealed and prevailed to unseal at the same time.

I’ve never connected the Revelation seals with Daniel 9:24, but it’s an interesting thought, isn’t it?

 

[grafted branch]

I’ve never connected the Revelation seals with Daniel 9:24, but it’s an interesting thought, isn’t it?

Yea, I thought about this for several hours and just couldn’t come to any conclusion other than Jesus both sealed and prevailed to unseal during the same time period.

I thought maybe it could be that the old covenant was sealed and new covenant unsealed but that doesn’t really seem to fit with most interpretations of Revelation 6. So for now it’s just one of those thing to keep in the back of my head.

 

[Christian Gedge]

So for now it’s just one of those thing to keep in the back of my head.

It might regurgitate in the back of your head into a full blown revelation.

 

[Christian Gedge]

This last goal of the seventieth week has not been well understood in modern times, but here is what I believe New Testament writers thought it meant.

• Sixth, they (the weeks) raised and anointed a new temple - the Church, holy to the Lord, not made by man’s hands.

To understand this phrase 'to anoint the most holy' we need to consider the tabernacle of Moses and see how it was anointed originally. Indeed, the structure was anointed with holy oil along with every item of furniture and finally the priests were anointed as well. It took 7 days to complete. Therefore, to ‘anoint the most holy’ means to consecrate the temple in its entirety both tabernacle as well as priest. (Exodus 30:22-31, Leviticus 8)

The new covenant context therefore refers to Christ who is the cornerstone of His holy temple, and we who are the stones of which the temple is being completed. So, Daniels last clause began at Christ's baptism and continued until the Gentile Pentecost at Cornelius' house. The 7 days to anoint the tabernacle represents the 7 years required to confirm the New Covenant.

“Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.” (Ephesians 2:19-22)​

 

[grafted branch]

This last goal of the seventieth week has not been well understood in modern times, but here is what I believe New Testament writers thought it meant.

• Sixth, they (the weeks) raised and anointed a new temple - the Church, holy to the Lord, not made by man’s hands.

To understand this phrase 'to anoint the most holy' we need to consider the tabernacle of Moses and see how it was anointed originally. Indeed, the structure was anointed with holy oil along with every item of furniture and finally the priests were anointed as well. It took 7 days to complete. Therefore, to ‘anoint the most holy’ means to consecrate the temple in its entirety both tabernacle as well as priest. (Exodus 30:22-31, Leviticus 8)

The new covenant context therefore refers to Christ who is the cornerstone of His holy temple, and we who are the stones of which the temple is being completed. So, Daniels last clause began at Christ's baptism and continued until the Gentile Pentecost at Cornelius' house. The 7 days to anoint the tabernacle represents the 7 years required to confirm the New Covenant.

“Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.” (Ephesians 2:19-22)​

All the things in the Daniel 9:24 list are permanent and eternal. It can be debate as to whether the Holy Spirit remained with Jesus or not. I personally think when Jesus cried “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani” that the Holy Spirit was no longer with him at that time.

So to eternally anoint the Most Holy (in my opinion) had to happen after the cross. I do agree that the anointing was completed and proved by the Holy Spirit coming to Cornelius house.

 

[Christian Gedge]

It can be debate as to whether the Holy Spirit remained with Jesus or not. I personally think when Jesus cried “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani” that the Holy Spirit was no longer with him at that time.

Hmmm, no longer with (3 days) = no longer anointed?

 

[grafted branch]

Hmmm, no longer with (3 days) = no longer anointed?

Well, unless there is another type of anointing to consider other than the Holy Spirit, then it stands to reason that if He no longer had the Holy Spirit, He no longer had that particular anointing, even if it was for only 3 days.

If the “to anoint the Most Holy” was to anoint Jesus as King then yes Jesus never ceases to be King, and if the Gentiles are anointed in the same “to anoint the Most Holy”, (as the body of the King) then they would also never cease being the body of Christ. This leads to the Gentile branches never being broken off and Satans little season involving the deception of “the most holy”.