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[Apple Sky]

So as I suggested earlier, you don't know who posted the video.

Does it matter who posted the video ? This still doesn't render the articles in the video as untrue.

 

[d taylor]

Well, I tried a search for "Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony" and it brought up just one hit, an AI overview starting:

"The phrase "Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony" is not a widely known historical term, but it is the name of a specific museum exhibition. It may also be a descriptive phrase referring to the spiritual leadership within certain religious communities, particularly the Shakers or the Mormon pioneers, who established "Zion" colonies."

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Ok so the person in 2025 is not well known and not well known by some articles name that a writer applied to the person.

I had never heard of him till this thread.

 

[David Lamb]

Does it matter who posted the video ? This still doesn't render the articles in the video as untrue.

But (again I am repeating what I have written before about this matter) the articles are posted as though the newspaper were publishing them as serious scientific findings. We don't know if that is so or not. Also, if the person who posted the video was so sure of his facts, why did he post it anonymously?

 

[Apple Sky]

I had never heard of him till this thread.

I'd never heard of the "Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony" until this thread.

 

[Apple Sky]

why did he post it anonymously?

He didn't he is known as 'Odysee'.

 

[d taylor]

Well, I tried a search for "Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony" and it brought up just one hit, an AI overview starting:

"The phrase "Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony" is not a widely known historical term, but it is the name of a specific museum exhibition. It may also be a descriptive phrase referring to the spiritual leadership within certain religious communities, particularly the Shakers or the Mormon pioneers, who established "Zion" colonies."

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Maybe this is what you need.

 

[Apple Sky]

Poor Rob, no one will let him rest in peace.

I will not let Rob to have died in vain, his good work needs telling to the world.

 

[d taylor]

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This is the nonsense science has brought into christianity

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...iving-on-other-planets.8339384/#post-78342280

 

[prodromos]

Thats right Prodromos. Geocentrism was the prevalent view of the Orthodox Church along the Protestant and Catholic Church there was certainly nothing else that looked like a prevailing view until the 16 century that even looked like a competitor until the Heliocentric model began . And you did mention the Orthodox Church did you not in your post 48. before unleashing your brutal remarks in saying I was Full of it. Maybe you should read more carefully before shooting your mouth off with such brutal comments more so when they turn out not to be true.

And still, I never claimed that the Orthodox Church NEVER embraced Ptolemy's system, which is what you falsely claimed I said. Perhaps you should read more carefully before shooting your mouth off. I had pointed out that in Greece, Aristarchus of Samos had already shown evidence of the earth orbiting the sun before the 2nd Century BC, so whereas geocentrism was the only view in many other countries it was not so in Greece, nor was it dogmatically declared to be so in the Eastern Churches, unlike Rome.

 

[Apple Sky]

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This is the nonsense science has brought into christianity

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...iving-on-other-planets.8339384/#post-78342280

It's weird what people will believe today, why can't they just come to see whats right in front of their eyes ?

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

 

[Apple Sky]

I will not let Rob to have died in vain, his good work needs telling to the world.

@prodromos

You laugh when you have no answer.

 

[prodromos]

@prodromos

You laugh when you have no answer.

I have given plenty of responses to Rob's failures in the past. I'm laughing at your nonsense post.

 

[Kathleen30]

Where did you ever mention Aristarchus in your post 48 or anywhere else in this post on that matter. You didn't’. Aristotle also also believed in a heliocentric viewpoint but it was never accepted. Everyone went with Ptolemy”s system . I never said the Orthodox dogmatically believed as the Roman Church did but they believed in Geocentrism. More so than what they believed of Aristotle or Aristarchus in their their belief about heliocentricity. all I wrote on my post 47 to your reply of when you asked who were they . I wrote post 47 that this was the accepted viewpoint of most Christian nations at the time be they Roman Catholic the Orthodox Church and the Protestant church. I never mentioned any church being dogmatic on the matter. Only that Geocentrism was the predominant belief . So that gives you the right to say I’m full of it ( twice ) once in post 48 and then later in another post and in another post some pathetic statement saying that you have unveiled my falsehood. ???Is this because of Aristarchus you have done this ??? who you did not even mention in your post 48.??? And who was never really taken seriously nor really accepted by anyone on the matter little lone Aristotle when it came to Heliocentrism .. Prodromus perhaps you should seriously think about what you said in calling someone full of it .???? And saying you revealed their falsehood over the matter of my post 47 It’s not a light thing to make such false accusations.. that’s all I say

 

[prodromos]

Where did you ever mention Aristarchus in your post 48 or anywhere else in this post on that matter. You didn't’.

I included a link to Wikipedia in the text of my post regarding how long heliocentrism has been a consideration.

 

[prodromos]

Post #42

 

[prodromos]

It’s not a light thing to make such false accusations.. that’s all I say

Yet you continue to double down on your false accusation that I claimed the Orthodox Church never accepted geocentrism. Perhaps you should remove the beam from your own eye.

 

[Kathleen30]

Yet you continue to double down on your false accusation that I claimed the Orthodox Church never accepted geocentrism. Perhaps you should remove the beam from your own eye.

prodromas it wasn’t so much me accusing you of not believing that the Orthodox Church church never believed in Geocentrism but to work out why in your post 48 after you mentioned the Orthodox Church you said I was full of it and continued to attack me with those words in another post . And considering that all I ever said in my post 47 was that most Christian nations believed in the geocentric model be it the Roman Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant church because that was the only thing I referenced in my post 47. So I was rather baffled to why you kept attacking me when you also believed the same that All denominations were geocentric As to your post 42 my apologies yes you did quote the reference I did not notice the reference below it But I already knew that there were Greek astronomers like Aristarchus , Aristotle and a few others that had promoted the heliocentric theory close enough to 2000 years ago but it was rejected by the majority in favor of the geocentric model. and certainly not even a minority of the Eastern Orthodox Church would have favoured the heliocentric model over all those millennial . Sure there would been some that would favoured the heliocentric view but not many as is shown by the majority choosing the the geocentric model. So your entire premise is based on a mere technicality that some in the Eastern Orthodox Church favoured the heliocentricity view but certainly most favoured the geocentric view . So do you think that gives you the right to say that someone is full of it and that you have revealed my falsehood because of that ?. ARE YOU SERIOUS? . Considering your post 42 wasn’t even related to the issue and you did not mention until recently. Aristarchus had nothing to with my post 47. Why didn’t you mention in your post 48 that this was the issue Nor did I know that’s what you were referring to of some in the Eastern Orthodox Church that believed in heliocentricism. As far as I knew And with you only finally revealing that it was the real issue in your post 169 that some in the Eastern Orthodox didn’t follow the geocentric view. But that still doesn't change the fact that the majority of the churches believed in the geocentric model. As to the beam in my eye . I’m not even going to go there . But saying what you said in your post 48 is unacceptable more so when you didn’t reveal what the real issue was until your post 169 when it was discovered what the real contention was that some believed in the heliocentric view . A mere technicality.

 

[David Lamb]

He didn't he is known as 'Odysee'.

No, Odysee is the name of the video channel he used:

"ODSYSEE Explore a whole universe of videos on Odysee "

That was from Odysee's home page: Odysee