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[Kathleen30]

Well before the 19th century.

Not necessarily there are still hold outs of those who believe in the geocentric viewpoint. Certainly in the Roman Cathode Church and Protestant churches right up to this present day. And I’m sure for the Orthodox Church too but I can’t say for certain with the Orthodox Church

 

[Kathleen30]

You ignore that the Church Fathers profess a range of different interpretations of Genesis, from literal to allegorical. In some areas there is a clear consensus and in others there exists a wide range of views.

Also, it was Rome who seperated from the Orthodox. Cardinal Humbert's Bull of excommunication, which itself was a litany of false accusations, excommunicated Patriarch Michael and all who agreed with him, which turned out to be all 4 Eastern Patriarchates. In contrast, the council of bishops which responded to Cardinal Humbert's Bull of excommunication, only excommunicated Cardinal Humbert, Archbishop Peter of Amalfi and Cardinal Frederick of Lorraine. So Rome, by legitimising the Bull of excommunication, effectively cut themselves off from the Eastern patriarchates and went into schism.

Well certainly some of the church fathers professed a range interpretations from Literal to allegorical. The Orthodox Church has never really been a fan of literalism. As to the schism between eastern and western church. Ok I read what you say . But I’m sure the Catholic Church has got their version of the events with how the schism occurred . They normally do : )

 

[Kathleen30]

That was more for @Apple Sky 's benefit.

Oh really. You send to me for Apples benifit. ??? Well I be sure to pass the message on

 

[Kathleen30]

You argued that Islam accepted the geocentric model. Islam is false religion, so how does that help your argument?

Well it’s a fact of history. Doesn't change the reality that Islam is still a false religion only that they embraced Ptolemys system as well. I was merely showing you the vastness of the geocentric system and that it wasn’t just embraced by Christianity

 

[Apple Sky]

OK but don't you count them all as fakes because they are NASA productions, and you think NASA always lies?

Yes but I still watched them.

 

[Kathleen30]

Take Isaiah 43:1-7 which are the words from God. Compare that to 1 Chronicles 1. Then compare it to Song of Songs 1. Then you have 1 Corinthians 7:12 compared to Galatians 1:11. All of the Bible is true and God inspired the authors to record things. However, some texts are private poetry or written accounts or genealogies and lists of materials, but when author says something is from God, it is of the highest inspiration, like the Ten Commandments. This is why some publications of the New Testament put Jesus’s words in red. It has greater weight being from God directly.

Jerry you mention Isaiah 43:17, 1st Corinthians 7:12, Galatians 1:11 along with a few other passages, emphasising the importance of when God speaks. You then say all the Bible is true. However you then say some texts are private, poetry, written accounts or genealogies along with a list of materials. You than say but when the author says something is from God then it is the highest inspiration from God. I would agree with that many passages hold higher importance but would disagree that they have a higher inspiration than other scriptures. Simply because all Gods scripture is equally inspired . But when thinking upon Joshua 10:12-13 when Joshua directly asks God to give power to still the Sun and the moon. What category does that fall into ?

As the the publications of the New Testament with the words of Jesus in red having greater weight being from God directly. Ok. But others have argued why not the Old Testament as well. Yu know like the 10 commandments or where God speaks directly to Adam and Eve or Abraham or Moses.Just out of curiosity I guess some have debated the issue that the Bible should have remained the one colour. But it does no harm from what i can see. Yours Kathleen

 

[Apple Sky]

I would agree with that many passages hold higher importance but would disagree that they have a higher inspiration than other scriptures. Simply because all Gods scripture is equally inspired . But when thinking upon Joshua 10:12-13 when Joshua directly asks God to give power to still the Sun and the moon. What category does that fall into ?

Yes Kathleen I too would also like to know what category this verse falls into, hmm.

 

[Jerry N.]

Jerry you mention Isaiah 43:17, 1st Corinthians 7:12, Galatians 1:11 along with a few other passages, emphasising the importance of when God speaks. You then say all the Bible is true. However you then say some texts are private, poetry, written accounts or genealogies along with a list of materials. You than say but when the author says something is from God then it is the highest inspiration from God. I would agree with that many passages hold higher importance but would disagree that they have a higher inspiration than other scriptures. Simply because all Gods scripture is equally inspired . But when thinking upon Joshua 10:12-13 when Joshua directly asks God to give power to still the Sun and the moon. What category does that fall into ? View attachment 374608As the the publications of the New Testament with the words of Jesus in red having greater weight being from God directly. Ok. But others have argued why not the Old Testament as well. Yu know like the 10 commandments or where God speaks directly to Adam and Eve or Abraham or Moses.Just out of curiosity I guess some have debated the issue that the Bible should have remained the one colour. But it does no harm from what i can see. Yours Kathleen

There is a problem with defining “divine inspiration.” Sometimes, God inspires the writer to record something in the writer’s own words. Take for example, I Kings 1-5. The author is just writing down what happened, but I’m sure God used His influence to make sure the author wrote it down accurately and truthfully, or maybe God chose the right person who feared God to be the author. I don’t know if you would call that inspiration, but you can if you like. David was inspire to write beautiful psalms to praise God, but the talent to do so was David’s which was given to him by God; however, God probably didn’t give David the individual words. Nowhere in Joshua 10:12-13 does God speak or even tell Joshua what He was doing. The account is from Joshua’s point of view and limited to a human description, even if the writer was inspired to record the event. Divine inspiration does not mean that every word came from God, and that is evident because the writers of the books of the Bible always make it clear when the words came directly from God. If every word came from God, the writers would not make the distinction. I’ve never seen a “Red Letter Bible” that put God’s words in the Old Testament in red. Maybe one exists. My guess is that rabbis have been arguing this very problem verse by verse for many years. The only thing they agree on is that the Torah has a separate importance to the writings of the other books. The Torah even has its own holiday.