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That’s why we have these discussions, to provide evidence. Unfortunately most people don’t care enough to actually investigate it.Christian interpretations of Genesis vary. Each of those is by someone who thinks he or she has it right. We have to be careful to distinguish between our interpretations and what He actually said. They might not be quite the same thing.
No. That's the point you're missing.All of these civiliazation had language. And the symbols represented that language.
No. Most languages that have existed do not have writing. And symbols are not writing.The gate of the sun had a writing on it...everyone who speaks...will write.
Yom has a lot of meanings, including "day", "always", "forever" and so on. Putting that prefix on a Hebrew root does not change it to a plural. As you seem to realize, "in the day" means one day. But it can also mean "in my day" in the right context. Not the one in Genesis, though. I'm no Hebrew scholar, but I'm told by someone who is, that there are infixes that would change it. Don't know much about those, however; infixes are pretty rare in English.That’s because you don’t study the actual Hebrew words. You’re comparing Yovm (day) to Beyovm (in the day).
Then you obviously don’t know how the Hebrew language works and you’re most likely getting your information from Strong’s Concordance which doesn’t differentiate between the different usages of the word Yom. I would recommend using Biblehub because it will show the particular usage of the word that’s being used in each verse.Yom has a lot of meanings, including "day", "always", "forever" and so on. Putting that prefix on a Hebrew root does not change it to a plural. As you seem to realize, "in the day" means one day. But it can also mean "in my day" in the right context. Not the one in Genesis, though. I'm no Hebrew scholar, but I'm told by someone who is, that there are infixes that would change it. Don't know much about those, however; infixes are pretty rare in English.
I started reading early. My parents had a bookcase in a corner of the living room where two couches made a nice little nook where I could hide out and read. One of the books was a Douay Bible. Got to tell you, some of it is kinda shocking for little kid. But I spent a lot of time reading it, trying to understand.That’s why we have these discussions, to provide evidence. Unfortunately most people don’t care enough to actually investigate it.
I mentioned some of them. I prefer actual Hebrew sites to Strong's, although it is often useful for many things. You can find some of the sources on Google Scholar.Then you obviously don’t know how the Hebrew language works and you’re most likely getting your information from Strong’s Concordance which doesn’t differentiate between the different usages of the word Yom.
Can you provide just one example of yovm being used in reference to a period of time other than 24 hours in the OT? You can use blue letter Bible to search for every usage of the word day in the OT. Here’s a link below.Yom has a lot of meanings, including "day", "always", "forever" and so on. Putting that prefix on a Hebrew root does not change it to a plural. As you seem to realize, "in the day" means one day. But it can also mean "in my day" in the right context. Not the one in Genesis, though. I'm no Hebrew scholar, but I'm told by someone who is, that there are infixes that would change it. Don't know much about those, however; infixes are pretty rare in English.
Strong’s Concordance can definitely be helpful but it is kind of vague. It doesn’t differentiate between day, days, in the day, etc etc. it just applies the transliteration Yom to every usage and gives a broad definition of how all of the different spellings are used but doesn’t specify which definition is associated with which spelling that’s being used.I mentioned some of them. I prefer actual Hebrew sites to Strong's, although it is often useful for many things. You can find some of the sources on Google Scholar.
I find it interesting how Jesus and the New Testament authors refer to the first 11 chapters and the context of how they took those chapters. Pretty amazing that they even refer to those chapters IMHO.
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:Can you provide just one example of yovm being used in reference to a period of time other than 24 hours in the OT?
You didn’t pay attention to anything I said.Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:
Genesis 1 says 6 yom. Genesis 2 says 1 yom.
Exodus 12:40 The time [yom] that the people of Israel lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years
Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time (yom) to come for ever and ever.
Kings 11:42 And the time (yom) that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years.
How many would you like to see?
Just one would be sufficient to support your usage of the word.How many would you like to see?
All those use yom. Did you not check the Hebrew original?Obviously you’re just looking at verses that have the word day and not looking on Biblehub to see which Hebrew word is actually being used.
See above. Hebrew scholars have already verified all those uses of yom in scripture. Check an actual Hebrew copy and see.Obviously you’re just looking at verses that have the word day and not looking on Biblehub to see which Hebrew word is actually being used.
No they don’t, did you look at any of the links I included for each verse? They’re a completely different form than the usage used in Genesis 1. In Genesis 1 YOVM is used. Not one of those verses you provided uses YOVM. Your link is completely ignoring the different usages of the words that are actually used, which is completely unsurprising since they’re quoting from Strong’s Conclusion like I already said.All those use yom. Did you not check the Hebrew original?
Eight times in the Old Testament Yom is translated "age." These range from sentences like "stricken in age," meaning old age (Genesis 18:11 and 24:1; Joshua 23:1 and 23:2), and other times it says "old age" (Genesis 21:2, Genesis 21:7). Genesis 47:28 refers to "the whole age of Jacob," therefore yom here refers to an entire lifetime. In Zechariah 8:4, it says old men and women will sit in the streets of Jerusalem, "each with cane in hand because of his age."
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible (symbols omitted)"It can denote: 1. the period of light (as contrasted with the period of darkness), 2. the period of twenty-four hours, 3. a general vague "time," 4. a point of time, 5. a year (in the plural; I Sam 27:7; Ex 13:10, etc.)."
As you can see, Hebrew dictionaries attest to the fact that the word Yom is used for anywhere from 12 hours up to a year, and even a vague "time period" of unspecified length.from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), [often used adv.]:--age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, end, evening, (for)ever(lasting), ever(more), full, life, as long as (...live), even now, old, outlived, perpetually, presently, remaineth, required, season, since, space, then, (process of) time, as at other times, in trouble, weather (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), whole (age), (full) year (-ly), younger
I don't think denial is going to be an adequate response here. Hebrew scholars have more credibility.No they don’t did you look at any of the links I included for each verse? They’re a completely different form than the usage used in Genesis 1. In Genesis 1 YOVM is used. Not one of those verses you provided uses YOVM. Your link is completely ignoring the different usages of the words that are actually used.
Like I said you can’t provide a single usage of the word Yovm that refers to anything other than a 24 hour period of time.I don't think denial is going to be an adequate response here. Hebrew scholars have more credibility.
Although yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, the word can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans:
- A point of time (a specific day)
- A time period of a half or whole day:
- A general term for time (as in "days of our lives")
- A year (in the plural use, as in "lived a lot of days")
- A time period of unspecified length
- A long, but finite, span of time
Genesis 1:5 יֹ֔ום DayI don't think denial is going to be an adequate response here. Hebrew scholars have more credibility.
Although yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, the word can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans:
- A point of time (a specific day)
- A time period of a half or whole day:
- A general term for time (as in "days of our lives")
- A year (in the plural use, as in "lived a lot of days")
- A time period of unspecified length
- A long, but finite, span of time
Its more the manner in which Jesus and the New Testament authors refer to it. The deference given is quite remarkable.It is interesting, but knowing what I know, it doesn't seem out of the ordinary to see the New Testament authors refer to the first 11 chapters of Genesis. I'm not sure why anyone would expect them not to.
Its more the manner in which Jesus and the New Testament authors refer to it. The deference given is quite remarkable.
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