The Four Gospels on Sabbath & Resurrection

[Travis93]

Jesus implicitly commands Sabbath observance here:
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

This hasn't happened yet, and won't at least until the end of the 1000 year kingdom of heaven.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

[amadeois]

@Cribstyl

The Bible is the word of God.
And the word if Jesus, so the Sabbath was mentioned 55 times in the New Testament:

Matthew 12:1; 12:2; 12:5; 12:8; 12:10; 12:11; 12:1012

Mark 1:21; 2:23; 2:24; 2:27; 2:28; 3:2; 3:4; 6:2; 15:42; 16:1

Luke 4:16; 4:31; 6:1; 6:2; 6:5; 6:6; 6:7; 6:9; 13:10; 13:14; 13:15; 13:16; 14:1; 14:3; 14:5; 23:54; 23:546

John 5:9; 5:10; 5:16; 5:18; 7:22; 7:23; 9:14; 9:16; 19:31

Acts 1:12; 13:14; 13:27; 13:42; 13:44; 15:21; 1613; 17:2; 18:4

Col 2:16

Some of this passages have words that Jesus spoke Himself, the others He did not speak but are His word.

55 Times in the New Testament.

 

[Bob S]

You're doing nothing here but harassing people.

bugkiller[/QUOTEAmen!

 

[Bob S]

Did I address you or Travis93 about walking on water? My conversation with you is about your claim from the 4gospels. You said:
Jesus said so much about the Sabbath on the Four Gospels and it seems you were probably half asleep or on a daze that you missed what He said.
Do you believe in Jesus or about Him? or do you understand what you read?
I am at a loss with you and several other brothers here that our purpose here is to share the truth but some people don't want to see it.


I want you to put up the scriptures from the 4gospels where Jesus said much about the Sabbath.
The rest of your dialog appear fruitless and disrespectful to members who don't agree with you. Man up and clean up your act. We're not going anywhere. (You have the nerves to say "brother" and "peace be with you" after you hurl insults to members who wont get in the mud with you.)

Oh so true. You know we can just ignore those who harass.

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

Great resource: https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4521&t=KJV

 

[amadeois]

YESLORDIWILL knows where to find things.

Good for you YESLORDIWILL and I'll will too.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There has been a lot of discussion on CF of the relation between the Jewish day of rest and worship, Saturday, and the Christian day of rest and worship, Sunday. When and how was this change made, and by who? Does the Bible authorize the church to change the day of worship? Gentile Christians were free of the Jewish food laws and other miscellaneous laws but Christians have always followed the Ten Commandments. Sabbath observance is one of those commandments.
Is commemorating the Resurrection a sufficient reason to change the day of worship?....................................................

The phrase “first of the sabbaths” appears in all four Gospels, in the YLT.
Surely it is important to understand what it means.

Good thread.
You can try this site and perhaps others like it:

http://torahtimes.org/First_of_Sabbaths_vs_First_of_Week.html

First of the Sabbaths vs. First Day of the Week

All the resurrection accounts show that Yeshua was raised from the dead on the first Sabbath after Passover (μια των σαββατων; Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; cf. vs. 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; cf. Acts 20:7; cf. 1Cor. 16:2). In 1 Cor. 16:2 Paul tells the faithful to save up a contribution "down from the first of Sabbaths" (κατα μιαν σαββατων) to send to Jerusalem for Pentecost (1 Cor. 16:8). The anniversary of the resurrection always falls right after Passover. It is marked on the "first of the sabbaths" in Acts 20:7 (Εν δε τη μια των σαββατων), when the disciples met to "break bread", which is a near eastern expression for a common meal. The next day, a common Sunday morning, Paul departed on his journey. The expression showing the time of the resurrection appears eight times in the Apostolic Writings. It designates a special Sabbath (cf. Lev. 23:15) along with the regular Sabbaths. Even John received his vision on the Sabbath (cf. Rev. 1:10).

Before the Gentiles fell into the Baalistic apostasy that became the proto-Catholic Church and the various Gnostic movements, faithful Messianic Israelites met and worshiped on the Sabbath day, and observed the Jewish feast days (cf. Col. 2:16; 1Cor 5:8; 1Cor 16:8). The apostates developed a web of deceit to lay as a foundation for their new religion taken from old Babylonia, and then proceeded to persecute the original faith into near extinction with the zeal of Jezebel. In this article we will look at the lies, half truths, and admitted truths that can be confirmed in an article published by Eric Lyons for Apologetics Press. Quotations will be from that article which are sourced at the link under Mr. Lyons name. He writes:

Admittedly, a form of the Greek word for sabbath (sabbaton or sabbatou) does appear in each of the eight passages translated “first day of the week.” For example, in Acts 20:7 this phrase is translated from the Greek mia ton sabbaton. However, sabbaton (or sabbatou) is never translated as “the Sabbath day” in these passages. Why? Because the word is used in these contexts (as Greek scholars overwhelmingly agree) to denote a “week” (Perschbacher, 1990, p. 364), “a period of seven days” (Danker, et al., 2000, p. 910; cf. Thayer, 1962, p. 566). Jesus once used the term “Sabbath” in this sense while teaching about the sinfulness of self-righteousness (Luke 18:9).



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[bugkiller]

Jesus implicitly commands Sabbath observance here:
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

This hasn't happened yet, and won't at least until the end of the 1000 year kingdom of heaven.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I don't see any supporting passages to your claim.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

@Cribstyl

The Bible is the word of God.
And the word if Jesus, so the Sabbath was mentioned 55 times in the New Testament:

Matthew 12:1; 12:2; 12:5; 12:8; 12:10; 12:11; 12:1012

Mark 1:21; 2:23; 2:24; 2:27; 2:28; 3:2; 3:4; 6:2; 15:42; 16:1

Luke 4:16; 4:31; 6:1; 6:2; 6:5; 6:6; 6:7; 6:9; 13:10; 13:14; 13:15; 13:16; 14:1; 14:3; 14:5; 23:54; 23:546

John 5:9; 5:10; 5:16; 5:18; 7:22; 7:23; 9:14; 9:16; 19:31

Acts 1:12; 13:14; 13:27; 13:42; 13:44; 15:21; 1613; 17:2; 18:4

Col 2:16

Some of this passages have words that Jesus spoke Himself, the others He did not speak but are His word.

55 Times in the New Testament.

So the word "Sabbath" appears 55 times in the NT. Big deal. Now which ones are promoting the Sabbath, not merely using the word. I have a concordance too.

bugkiller

 

[Travis93]

So the word "Sabbath" appears 55 times in the NT. Big deal. Now which ones are promoting the Sabbath, not merely using the word. I have a concordance too.

bugkiller

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

 

[bugkiller]

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

This does not promote the Sabbath. Its nothing more than a historical statement of fact.

bugkiller

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So the word "Sabbath" appears 55 times in the NT. Big deal. Now which ones are promoting the Sabbath, not merely using the word. I have a concordance too.

bugkiller

The plural word "sabbaths" occurs 53 times in the Bible........
So how many Sabbaths do the Jews have to observe?

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=sabbaths&t=YLT#s=s_primary_0_1
"sabbaths" occurs 53 times in 50 verses in the YLT.

1st time used:

Exo 31:13
'And thou, speak unto the sons of Israel, saying, Only, My sabbaths ye do keep, for it is a sign between Me and you, to your generations, to know that I, YAHWEH, am sanctifying you.......

last time used:

Col 2:16
Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

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[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I want you to put up the scriptures from the 4gospels where Jesus said much about the Sabbath.

Said Jesus anything like this, Luke 13:15; 14:5, about Sunday?


No!


Said Jesus concerning an ox or donkey, that He would overcome all sinners’ protestations and be raised from the dead on the Sunday? Or meant He the ox and the donkey which figured Him forth, that they would overcome human neglect and drink of the water of Resurrection Life, as He Himself would, not on the Sabbath, but on the day of the lord Sun?

Did Jesus mean these things which He spoke about Himself, that they would happen and be fulfilled on the Sabbath Day of the Lord or on the Sunday of pagan idolatry?!


Meant Jesus what He said for judgement and witness in defence of his, the Lord’s, Day, against the hypocrites the Pharisees and other Jews? Or meant He it in protest for Sunday’s sake?

Definitely not!

Then meant Jesus what He said from a Divinely valid standpoint on the Sabbath, or on Sunday!?

Could Jesus say what He said of on the Sabbath, was the Sabbath from God's perspective of no concern or relevancy or worth for Him, but Sunday was?!


How vain are the thoughts of Jesus' adversaries about Him, the Son of Man the Lord of the Sabbath, that what has been written and had been spoken by Jesus of the Sabbath Day, is not, cannot and may not apply to it because it applies to Sunday?!


Or would you say what Jesus spoke concerning the Sabbath in prophetic parable attributes to Sunday's sacredness and not the Sabbath’s?

What vanity is it that protests unworthy of Jesus in his Triumph from the dead the thought, the comparison, in fact the prophetic meaning and truth, of these and several other such parables wherein Jesus predicted, yea, guaranteed, his Resurrection from the dead on the Sabbath Day!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

While Gerald Heancy is of many the lawgiver claiming NT prophet given laws by God at this time, let them obey him, not in part only, but wholly, and declare righteous and let live every Sabbath breaker, blasphemer and adulterer.

 

[amadeois]

Do they need to celebrate the Sabbath 53 times because is mentioned that many times in the Bible?

No.

But they need to celebrate it 52 sabbaths for every week of the year plus the High Sabbaths of the special festivities.

The Jewish moon calendar has a problem. The 6 of Sivan is not the third day of the third month, is the 6th: so that calendar is not the correct one. (It has sabbaths also) Read Exodus 19 nineteen times and you'll get the message.

The first of the sabbaths (sabbaton) means just the regular first day of the week, nothing spectacular.

The 7th day of the week or sabbath, shabbat, was hallowed by God to remind that He rested from His work of creation on His day, His day of rest. This is a spectacular day according to God and also Jesus.

He told the Jews at that time, to do it for ever. To remind them that He is the Boss, the Creator of all things.

Also when Jesus came, He said that He was LORD of the Sabbath and He was resurrected on the sabbath, contrary to what a lot of people believe the big deception of all times.

The Sabbath created only for the jew?

The Sabbath created for MAN. Jesus own words. Not only for the jew but everybody.

His gift was also for everybody.
But you need to accept that gift.
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Some are not willing to accept it.

 

[Cribstyl]

Said Jesus anything like this, Luke 13:15; 14:5, about Sunday?


No!


Said Jesus concerning an ox or donkey, that He would overcome all sinners’ protestations and be raised from the dead on the Sunday? Or meant He the ox and the donkey which figured Him forth, that they would overcome human neglect and drink of the water of Resurrection Life, as He Himself would, not on the Sabbath, but on the day of the lord Sun?

Did Jesus mean these things which He spoke about Himself, that they would happen and be fulfilled on the Sabbath Day of the Lord or on the Sunday of pagan idolatry?!


Meant Jesus what He said for judgement and witness in defence of his, the Lord’s, Day, against the hypocrites the Pharisees and other Jews? Or meant He it in protest for Sunday’s sake?

Definitely not!

Then meant Jesus what He said from a Divinely valid standpoint on the Sabbath, or on Sunday!?

Could Jesus say what He said of on the Sabbath, was the Sabbath from God's perspective of no concern or relevancy or worth for Him, but Sunday was?!


How vain are the thoughts of Jesus' adversaries about Him, the Son of Man the Lord of the Sabbath, that what has been written and had been spoken by Jesus of the Sabbath Day, is not, cannot and may not apply to it because it applies to Sunday?!


Or would you say what Jesus spoke concerning the Sabbath in prophetic parable attributes to Sunday's sacredness and not the Sabbath’s?

What vanity is it that protests unworthy of Jesus in his Triumph from the dead the thought, the comparison, in fact the prophetic meaning and truth, of these and several other such parables wherein Jesus predicted, yea, guaranteed, his Resurrection from the dead on the Sabbath Day!

Nonsense..... #1. What Jesus said to those who were under the law does not mean we're required to be under the law after the cross. #2. Scripture say, if someone holds a day as sacred, to him it is sacred. Or if someone holds every day as sacred, it's also a personal choice.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Nonsense..... #1. What Jesus said to those who were under the law does not mean we're required to be under the law after the cross. #2. Scripture say, if someone holds a day as sacred, to him it is sacred. Or if someone holds every day as sacred, it's also a personal choice.

Nonsense? Who says, <<What Jesus said to those who were under the law does not mean we're required to be under the law after the cross.>>? Who requires who to be under the law, after, or before the cross?



Jesus in the above passages tells that He would rise … ~after the cross~ … from the pit like the life that was rescued on the Sabbath Day. Jesus tells the parable as a figure of HIMSELF … ~after the cross~! So what is your problem? That He did not say was left to die in the pit on the Sabbath Day so that it could be raised from the dead the next day of Sunday?



And take note, You are not the Scriptures, and cannot write your own Gospel for authority above the words that ARE written. Where are you from?



The Word of God Scriptures do NOT say what you are contriving.



And the Doctrine of the Almighty and his Anointed leaves no one <<a personal choice>> with regard to the truth of what is really written.



You are wasting your breath here.

 

[Cribstyl]

Who requires who to be under the law, after, or before the cross?

It's clear in the OT scriptures that God required righteousness according to the law (before the cross.) It is clear in scripture that the Old Covenant is keeping the commandments given through Moses.
Deu 6:24 And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.

Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

It's also clear to some that righteousness by faith is without the law according to the New Testament.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Jesus in the above passages tells that He would rise … ~after the cross~ … from the pit like the life that was rescued on the Sabbath Day. Jesus tells the parable as a figure of HIMSELF … ~after the cross~! So what is your problem? That He did not say was left to die in the pit on the Sabbath Day so that it could be raised from the dead the next day of Sunday?

Complete nonsense. Here are your scriptures ( Luke 13:15; 14:5,)Are you saying that Jesus said He would rise from the pit like the ass or the ox on the Sabbath? I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

And take note, You are not the Scriptures, and cannot write your own Gospel for authority above the words that ARE written. Where are you from?



The Word of God Scriptures do NOT say what you are contriving.



And the Doctrine of the Almighty and his Anointed leaves no one <<a personal choice>> with regard to the truth of what is really written.



You are wasting your breath here.

My words (breath) are based on these scriptures you don't know or understand.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
(These scriptures teach that believers in Christ are not under the law)

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. (This scripture teach that; If a man is convinced that he should observe 1 day or all days that's between him and God.)

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(According to these scriptures, the cross caused the end of ordinances that was against us, including the Sabbath and food restrictions.)

 

[amadeois]

The Sabbath is not part of the ordinances is part of the Commandments, totally different.

Check the Hebrew words. Reread Ephesians 2 and Colossians 2.

The law was never nailed to the cross.

 

[BobRyan]

I believe that the Gospels themselves made Sunday the Christian day of worship. There is no need for anyone to make that decision later.

Wouldn't it be great if the Bible actually said that??

As it is you merely "quote you"