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You're mistaken. The fact that 'Sabbaton' also means "week" does pose a challenge for some people.There has been a lot of discussion on CF of the relation between the Jewish day of rest and worship, Saturday, and the Christian day of rest and worship, Sunday. When and how was this change made, and by who? Does the Bible authorize the church to change the day of worship? Gentile Christians were free of the Jewish food laws and other miscellaneous laws but Christians have always followed the Ten Commandments. Sabbath observance is one of those commandments. Is commemorating the Resurrection a sufficient reason to change the day of worship?
These discussions have generally assumed that the Gospels are silent on this. It is usually assumed that they do not discard Sabbath observance or give Sunday any special significance.
Translators have often tried to make the Bible sound more formal than it did in the original. They have often passed over details. All versions reflect the time when the translation took place. Young's Literal Translation attempts to avoid these problems.
In Young's Literal Translation, Sunday does have a special significance. It was not, as most other translations assume, simply the first day of the week.
Matthew 28
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
2 and lo, there came a great earthquake, for a messenger of the Lord, having come down out of heaven, having come, did roll away the stone from the door, and was sitting upon it,
3 and his countenance was as lightning, and his clothing white as snow,
4 and from the fear of him did the keepers shake, and they became as dead men.
Mark 16
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
16 And the sabbath having past, Mary the Magdalene, and Mary of James, and Salome, bought spices, that having come, they may anoint him,
2 and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun,
3 and they said among themselves, `Who shall roll away for us the stone out of the door of the sepulchre?'
Luke 24
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain [others] with them,
2 and they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb,
3 and having gone in, they found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
John 20
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,
2 she runneth, therefore, and cometh unto Simon Peter, and unto the other disciple whom Jesus was loving, and saith to them, `They took away the Lord out of the tomb, and we have not known where they laid him.'
The phrase “first of the sabbaths” appears in all four Gospels, in the YLT.
Surely it is important to understand what it means.
Soyeong, you quote from sabbathtruth.com, which is an SDA site, and not a good source of information on the Catholic Church.
When a Catholic priest says the church changed the day of worship, you have to remember that to them the Catholic Church started with Peter and the Apostles. If the Apostles changed the day of worship after talking with the resurrected Jesus, to them, that means that the church changed the day of worship. It doesn't necessarily mean that a Pope changed the day of worship hundreds of years later.
I believe that the Gospels themselves made Sunday the Christian day of worship. There is no need for anyone to make that decision later.
Indeed, both Jesus and Paul regularly observed sabbath.Nothing wrong with the first day of the week as the bible clearly states, he rose as the sun went down on Saturday and it was now Sunday and they discovered he was already gone when they got there hours later at dawn..
But there is no such thing as a Christian Sabbath that replaces the actual Sabbath..... The Sabbath is still and will always be Saturday and Sunday is just a day of worship that Christians have been doing for the last 1800yrs, but its not a command, just a tradition.
Follow the bible and actions of Christ, not commentators, who many times are wrong themselves.
YLT is a great translation,tho because it literally follows the Hebrew and Greek word for word, it can be awkward to read, but very rewarding if one reads it slow.There has been a lot of discussion on CF of the relation between the Jewish day of rest and worship, Saturday, and the Christian day of rest and worship, Sunday. When and how was this change made, and by who? Does the Bible authorize the church to change the day of worship? Gentile Christians were free of the Jewish food laws and other miscellaneous laws but Christians have always followed the Ten Commandments. Sabbath observance is one of those commandments. Is commemorating the Resurrection a sufficient reason to change the day of worship?
These discussions have generally assumed that the Gospels are silent on this. It is usually assumed that they do not discard Sabbath observance or give Sunday any special significance.
Translators have often tried to make the Bible sound more formal than it did in the original. They have often passed over details. All versions reflect the time when the translation took place. Young's Literal Translation attempts to avoid these problems.
In Young's Literal Translation, Sunday does have a special significance. It was not, as most other translations assume, simply the first day of the week.
Matthew 28
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
2 and lo, there came a great earthquake, for a messenger of the Lord, having come down out of heaven, having come, did roll away the stone from the door, and was sitting upon it,
3 and his countenance was as lightning, and his clothing white as snow,
4 and from the fear of him did the keepers shake, and they became as dead men.
Mark 16
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
16 And the sabbath having past, Mary the Magdalene, and Mary of James, and Salome, bought spices, that having come, they may anoint him,
2 and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun,
3 and they said among themselves, `Who shall roll away for us the stone out of the door of the sepulchre?'
Luke 24
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain [others] with them,
2 and they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb,
3 and having gone in, they found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
John 20
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,
2 she runneth, therefore, and cometh unto Simon Peter, and unto the other disciple whom Jesus was loving, and saith to them, `They took away the Lord out of the tomb, and we have not known where they laid him.'
The phrase “first of the sabbaths” appears in all four Gospels, in the YLT.
Surely it is important to understand what it means.
Excellent post!Look long and hard enough and you will find someone that agrees with the beliefs of another. The NLT is not the King James warmed over. They researched the earliest texts to determine what the original thoughts were. What past Christians believed about the 10 commandments doesn't make the 10 our guide today. Scripture plainly states that the 10 commandments were temporary laws given to Israel. Read and study Paul's writings in 2Cor3:7-11 and you will find that Christians are not under the covenant given to Israel. That covenant was the ministry of death written on stones. All the law could do is condemn and it certainly did just that. God didn't break His covenant with Israel, Israel broke it. God kept His promise, Israel didn't. When a covenant is broken it ceases to exist and that is what Paul wrote over and over. Travis can pound the keys all day and doing so does not make his belief system Biblical.
Christians can pound the keys over and over declaring Sunday to be the Christian Sabbath, but that does not make make it the Bible Sabbath. The Sabbath of old Israel ceases to exist.
Jesus never said to change the law, he said not to think he came to destroy the law (Matthew 5:17) and whoever follows it and teaches others to do so will great in the kindgom of heaven (Matthew 5:19). He said heaven and earth would pass before the law does (Luke 16:17). He says to listen to those who preach Moses (Matthew 23:2-3). And he says after his death to teach all people to do everything he said during his life (Matthew 28:20).
I'd say I'm in agreement with Jesus.
I was raised a Baptist, but as soon as I read the Bible for myself I rejected their ideas. I can't change my status though.Travis,
Your profile page says that you are a Baptist.
Have you ever heard a Baptist sermon?
He fulfilled the law when He died on the cross for our sins.
That is how the law is fulfilled.
So simple, even a child can understand........Dale said: ↑
Travis,
Your profile page says that you are a Baptist. Have you ever heard a Baptist sermon?
He fulfilled the law when He died on the cross for our sins. That is how the law is fulfilled.
What would you change it to?I was raised a Baptist, but as soon as I read the Bible for myself I rejected their ideas. I can't change my status though.
But Jesus was resurrected exactly on the Sabbath day at 3:00 PM or the ninth hour of the day, exactly 72 hours after He gave up the ghost.
He finished His work of "Redemption" as His father finished His work of Creation on the sabbath.
Never on Sunday, the day of the Sun that pays respect to the creation instead of the Creator.
The Christians separated themselves from the Jews when they started the tradition of getting together to collect things and to break bread on the first day of the week.
God asked the Jews what did you do with my sabbath during the 70 years captivity in Babylon.
Jesus when He comes back is going to ask the same question,
What have you done with my sabbaths?
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But Jesus was resurrected exactly on the Sabbath day at 3:00 PM or the ninth hour of the day, exactly 72 hours after He gave up the ghost.
He finished His work of "Redemption" as His father finished His work of Creation on the sabbath.
Never on Sunday, the day of the Sun that pays respect to the creation instead of the Creator.
The Christians separated themselves from the Jews when they started the tradition of getting together to collect things and to break bread on the first day of the week.
God asked the Jews what did you do with my sabbath during the 70 years captivity in Babylon.
Jesus when He comes back is going to ask the same question,
What have you done with my sabbaths?
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Indeed, both Jesus and Paul regularly observed sabbath.
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Even after the death of Jesus the sabbath was still observed.
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
And of course, the feast days were still observed as well (Acts 18:21, Acts 20:6-16, Acts 27:9).
Excellent points Dale. Why do some try to convince us that we must observe shadows? Col2 Why do some ignore scripture like 2Cor 3:7-11? Why do some try to explain away the new covenant in Christ?It sounds like you are saying that we are still under Old Testament law.
If we are still under the laws of the Old Testament, what need is there for the ministry of Jesus?
What need for the crucifixion? What did it accomplish?
It sounds like you are saying that we were under the OT law, Jesus came, was crucified, and we are still under the OT law.
Here's a question for you. The Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans around 70 AD.
First and second century Christians never had any interest in rebuilding it. They didn't need a Temple because Christians aren't under Old Testament law and have no need to sacrifice at the Temple.
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