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The Fossil Record Proves Speciation, Not Evolution of Lifeforms Observed

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Thanks. Did human make the hybridization? When was it made? How do we know if they would still exist thousands of years later?

BTW, I just read that the last white rhino is dying.
 
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Lol

Living organisms maintain homeostasis, are composed of cells, undergo metabolism, can grow, adapt to their environment, respond to stimuli, and reproduce. Plants do all of these things, and are thus alive.

NOT good criteria. As I said, by those conditions, a rock is alive.
 
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This dolphin is "discovered", but is not artificially created. Right?
If so, its "hybridization" would only be an interpretation. It should not be used to illustrate the lab result of hybridization.
 
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NOT good criteria. As I said, by those conditions, a rock is alive.

A rock does none of those things, and a rock is not alive by sense of the word.
Seriously, you are just a stunningly bad teacher.
 
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Thanks. Did human make the hybridization?
No, humans did not make this hybrid. We only realized something was off when people noticed that all collected specimens were female.


When was it made?
I've already expressed that I have no idea when that hybridization event took place. Heck, it could have been multiple ones for all I know. There are multiple lizard species that are all female that arose this way, so I would not be surprised if at least one of them had existed for thousands of years.

How do we know if they would still exist thousands of years later?
-_- we don't know that for sure about anything, dude. Species can persist for millions of years and then all suddenly die off within just a few years as a result of environmental changes. We do know, however, that they aren't going to widespread become infertile, if that's what you are curious about. Even if we had discovered them right after they started existing, too many generations have passed with viability maintained for them to be hindered by that. They are also fairly adaptable, so they probably won't be going extinct any time soon.

BTW, I just read that the last white rhino is dying.
-_- it's certainly not due to the inability for white rhinos to reproduce. Overhunting, dude. Northern white rhino, a specific subspecies, is most likely going to go extinct. 3 individuals left, 1 male and 2 females, and the male is dying. Artificial insemination could be tried, but I doubt conservation attempts at this point will be able to save them long term.

The southern subspecies isn't in near as dire a situation.
 
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-_- we don't know that for sure about anything, dude.

Fine, then DON'T be sure, at all, that human evolved from ape.
And in this thread, DO NOT be sure that evolution makes speciation.
 
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Just the opposite.

Nope. You're just wrong. Minerals are not cells. They have nothing in common with cells.
I am seriously now thinking that everything you said about being a teacher is a lie.
 
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Rock has rock cells.
they don't.

cell definition: the smallest structural and functional unit of an organism, typically microscopic and consisting of cytoplasm and a nucleus enclosed in a membrane.

Rocks contain no cells that fit this description. They don't have phospholipid membranes. They don't have genetic material. Rocks do not have cells.
 
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CF posters in unbelief trying to corner those who understand Intelligent Deisgn.

As per OP topic, there are thousands of feet of staratigraphic rock record. Contained therein are zero transitions of one complex creature into higher lifeform in fossils morphology.

I did say zero. The fossil recored shows the grandeur of Kinds and variations thereof.

There is no proof in the fossil record the Almighty used Evolution. Not one example. What He has left to observe is Kinds. Billions of them.

Yea, stern on Evolution. I was once the same. But one must walk by faith to be an Evolutionist. The fossil record is a stretch in saying Evolution happened. You stand by faith to state such, with evidence to observe that only Kinds are represented in billions of fossils. ID happened. Not Evolution.
 
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Rock cell definition: the smallest structural and functional unit of a rock, typically microscopic and has special chemical composition and internal structure.
 
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Speciation in Reverse

Darwin's finches have become a textbook example in evolutionary biology, speciating as they adapted to different environments in their spread through the Galapagos islands. In the past two decades, the opposite has been happening on Floreana island in the south of the archipelago, according to a paper published in the journal American Naturalist. The opposite of speciation, however, isn't necessarily extinction — at least, not in the familiar sense of a species dying out. Another way for speciation to roll backwards is through hybridization, a process that raises many more (and more interesting) questions than 'straightforward' extinction. (nature.com)
 
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Fine, then DON'T be sure, at all, that human evolved from ape.
And in this thread, DO NOT be sure that evolution makes speciation.

Humans are apes.

Really really wishing something doesnt make it true.
 
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