The Fossil Record- As God Would Have Made It Through Time

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That's what I've been saying all along.

Scientists realize the sheer number of impossibly intricate, elaborate, precise, and successful changes that are necessary for even the simplest change to take place in an organism. That's why evolution is presented in giant leaps to the general public. And if questioned we are dazzled with terminology and details that are unfathomable to any except themselves.

You really just can't help but be wrong, can you?
Just because YOU can't understand the science behind evolution, doesn't mean that scientists are in a conspiracy to keep the information away from you.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

This looks like the far left skull in the top row (without the lower jawbone).

The skull of an adult female gorilla



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Then you would be wrong since underneath the top left skull it clearly says "Chimpanzee".

 

[Jimmy D]

You know, there are millions of fossils of advanced mammals that the fossil record shows zero sequence of one type of mammal remains going through morphological changes to a structurally different life form.

Zero is zero.

Why are you deliberately ignoring responses to you assertions.

You are just making yourself look extremely foolish and dishonest, par for the course I suppose.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Why are you deliberately ignoring responses to you assertions.

You are just making yourself look extremely foolish and dishonest, par for the course I suppose.

I think it's his modus operandi.

 

[tas8831]

And of the below picture, imagine the many very complex mutations to bring about mental, nerve, blood vessel array, and such to transition one human-like species to another. Incredibly complex and intricate biomoleculer and anatomical mutations.

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Tell us all about these mutations to mental array (whatever that means).

I am guess you think that each nerve required a certain number of mutations or something?

 

[tas8831]

That's what I've been saying all along.

Scientists realize the sheer number of impossibly intricate, elaborate, precise, and successful changes that are necessary for even the simplest change to take place in an organism. That's why evolution is presented in giant leaps to the general public. And if questioned we are dazzled with terminology and details that are unfathomable to any except themselves.

Your cargo-cult folk science is cute and all, but the fact that you and Heisso do not understand how developmental genetics works is not actually evidence that Goddidit.

A single mutation can give a fruit fly an entire additional body segment. No number of impossibly intricate, elaborate, precise, and successful changes that are necessary for even the simplest change to take place in an organism needed.

Just one.


It would be awesome if the posers could ACTUALLY try to learn just a little bit about the subject matter BEFORE pontificating with their phony, juvenile 'see, told ya!' pronouncements...


The 'awe' factor that creationists so readily rely on for their 'arguments' is the awe of ignorance, not of valid study.

 

[tas8831]

This looks like the far left skull in the top row (without the lower jawbone).

Look at these female chimp and gorilla skulls!

My gosh - they are like totally exactly the same! Identical!

I get it - you are a "superficial" guy. That one skull looks superficially like a gorilla skull to a retired economist who has admitted ignorance of biology, therefore, all of the skulls in that top row look like gorillas.

As a retired economist, I'm betting you can tell when someone that does not understand one thing about economics pontificates on the subject, right?

Yeah, same here...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Look at these female chimp and gorilla skulls!

My gosh - they are like totally exactly the same! Identical!

I get it - you are a "superficial" guy. That one skull looks superficially like a gorilla skull to a retired economist who has admitted ignorance of biology, therefore, all of the skulls in that top row look like gorillas.

As a retired economist, I'm betting you can tell when someone that does not understand one thing about economics pontificates on the subject, right?

Yeah, same here...

They look like the products of the same designer.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

... hmm. CF just said that a post of mine was quoted, but the post quoted wasn't from me but from tas8831. Weird.

 

[tas8831]

They look like the products of the same designer.

When all you have is a hammer....

... throw away, dodgy one-liners is the best you can offer when shown to be in error.

 

[tas8831]

... hmm. CF just said that a post of mine was quoted, but the post quoted wasn't from me but from tas8831. Weird.

The Designer at work...

 

[HitchSlap]

It is quite clear you have not taken paleontology, nor view such texts. There are only presumptions of transitions, no actual physical anatomy sequence in the rock record.

You have never understood nor acknowledged the missing fundamental evidence foundation that is missing to support evolution.

And you want replies to such ignorance?

Don't sweat it dude, you can't understand science, and it's not your fault.

 

[HitchSlap]

When all you have is a hammer....

...everything looks like a goddidit?

 

[Brightmoon]

Get educated in paleontology. Got it? Otherwise you may be unkowingly thinking there are real sequences in the rock recored in geographic regions of one lifeform that changes in morphological features into another lifefore.

You seem to have amiss of this glaring fact. Evolution has no fossil record foundation to prevent sequential remains where such actually happened.

Look at these female chimp and gorilla skulls

I get it - you are a "superficial" guy. That one skull looks superficially like a gorilla skull to a retired economist who has admitted ignorance of biology, therefore, all of the skulls in that top row look like gorillas.
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they don’t look alike to me so I don’t dont see how they could be mistaken for each other. I do understand that creationists tend to be deliberately ignorant ( but sheesh! ) The gorilla has a huge flange at the back of the head to support its jaw muscles . You can see the muscle scars where the jaw muscles attach on top of the head . In just by looking in a mirror you can see where your same jaw muscles attach at the side of your head . And these are females , gorilla males have a sagittal (bony )crest to hold the muscles at the top got the head ( don’t remember what a chimp male looks like and don’t feel like looking it up) Those big jaw muscles obviously prevent the brain from growing larger . In the fossil record you can see that the canine teeth are also getting smaller. The chimp has a less pronounced muzzle and even given the size difference in the living animal that’s not Totally due to just the change in size. Gorillas split from the chimp/ human/ gorilla lineage long before humans and chimps separated.

 

[Ophiolite]

Zero evidence of what evolution claims- not one lifeform shown by fossils to change progressively into another lifeform.

I suppose you are going to assert that the remarkable (and incidentally, beautiful) increase in complexity and diversity of ammonite sutures over many millions of years is irrelevant, since at the end of it the creatures were still ammonites?

Or will you amaze me by acknowledging the significance of those changes?

Where do you place the dividing line of "another lifeform"? Clearly not at the level of species or genus. What about a different Family? A different Sub-Order, or Order? How about a different Class, or Sub-Class? What's the level of change you would accept as constituting a different lifeform?

 

[Brightmoon]

The dividing line is species and what makes up a species is a little fluid because nature doesn’t fit exactly into the neat little boxes that we plan for it . You can Google species concepts but for me it’s usually the biological species concept that works
Humans and chimps are separate species because the eggs and sperm form fertilised eggs that die or the sperm never gets into the egg .(the Nazis did those experiments-ugh! )
Lions and tigers can produce healthy hybrids but they’re infertile so they’re separate species.
Gorillas don’t see chimps as potential mates so they won’t even have sex. And a lot of otherwise identical looking (to humans) species won’t see each other as potential mates because they are different species. Lonesome George the tortoise was an example of that

 

[USincognito]

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You need to fix your quote tags in that post.

 

[theQuincunx5]

This is a forum about creation and evolution. I make a post which says: fossils do not support evolution. What is wrong with that? Why is it not adequate? Why must I give any explanation to that?

I would think it problematic because the fossil record actually does support evolution. Change over time. Fossils are a really good way to see how life has changed over the history of the earth.

I mean, obviously there's a ton of additional data from a wide variety of other sources in biochem etc. but fossils are a great, simple way to show it.

 

[Ophiolite]

You need to fix your quote tags in that post.

Cheers. Late night carelessness on my part.

 

[juvenissun]

I would think it problematic because the fossil record actually does support evolution. Change over time. Fossils are a really good way to see how life has changed over the history of the earth.

I mean, obviously there's a ton of additional data from a wide variety of other sources in biochem etc. but fossils are a great, simple way to show it.

Stratigraphic sequence of fossil record IS a good way to see the change of life form on the earth. But it does NOT prove life evolution. Don't be cheated by imaginations of people. The bad part of fossil sequence is that it strongly stimulates your erroneous imagination.