The Fossil Record- As God Would Have Made It Through Time

[Speedwell]

Man wanted to follow his lusts and debauchery and believing in God was getting in the way. That is in fact, written in history.

Keep in mind that this forum is not about the existence of God. It's not a contest of theism versus atheism. It's about a particular Protestant sect versus everybody else; Christians, other theists and atheists all together.

 

[marineimaging]

Are you saying that when God created the earth satan planted fossils and bones of animals that didn't exist yet?

I didn't say that. I said that as in the Biblical account of Satan being allowed to do what he did to Job, to plant illness and failings to test him, the bones and fossils and byproducts that were found underground weren't in the ground UNTIL man began digging for them. But, hey. What I believe and what I know has no impact on you so don't worry about it. I am just toying with possibilities like a scientist is permitted to create a hypothesis and explore the "what if's".

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Man wanted to follow his lusts and debauchery and believing in God was getting in the way. That is in fact, written in history.

... what?

 

[Inkfingers]

Well there’s evidence for evolution. But God talks to us as individuals. So there’s no verifiable evidence for God.

You are mistaken here.

 

[Shemjaza]

Man wanted to follow his lusts and debauchery and believing in God was getting in the way. That is in fact, written in history.

I'm curious about when exactly you think man didn't follow his lusts and debauchery?

Greed, lust, cruelty and selfishness have been prevalent in all times and in all cultures.

 

[USincognito]

Man wanted to follow his lusts and debauchery and believing in God was getting in the way. That is in fact, written in history.

Oh brother! You're not repeating a butchered version of the bogus Julian Huxley "quote" spuriously spread by D. James Kennedy, are you?

 

[marineimaging]

Oh brother! You're not repeating a butchered version of the bogus Julian Huxley "quote" spuriously spread by D. James Kennedy, are you?

I have never quoted anybody to that degree without giving them credit. And I have no idea who Julian Huxley is and am pretty sure I have not listened to or quoted Kennedy. Granted, it might be that I am following the fringes of some groundwork laid out by some others but I do have the ability to derive my own thoughts based on my own research over the past 50 years. It isn't hard to find or do yourself. What is hard to find is a polite person who doesn't believe in God. All of the folks who deny the existences of God, at least most of those I have experience with, seem to suffer from various levels of narcissism and get a lot of gratification from espousing their own attributes. Find one who is polite to a Christian and I would be immediately suspicious of their motives.

 

[USincognito]

I have never quoted anybody to that degree without giving them credit. And I have no idea who Julian Huxley is and am pretty sure I have not listened to or quoted Kennedy. Granted, it might be that I am following the fringes of some groundwork laid out by some others but I do have the ability to derive my own thoughts based on my own research over the past 50 years. It isn't hard to find or do yourself. What is hard to find is a polite person who doesn't believe in God. All of the folks who deny the existences of God, at least most of those I have experience with, seem to suffer from various levels of narcissism and get a lot of gratification from espousing their own attributes. Find one who is polite to a Christian and I would be immediately suspicious of their motives.

Your comment sounded suspiciously similar to one falsely attributed to Julian Huxley - "The reason we leaped at The Origin of Species was because the idea of God interfered with our sexual mores.”

That's why I asked.

 

[Hank77]

What I believe and what I know has no impact on you so don't worry about it. I am just toying with possibilities like a scientist is permitted to create a hypothesis and explore the "what if's".

Everything that a Christian publicly states does impact other Christians. You are not an island.
Seeing your hypothesis has no facts to establish it, it is based on a guess. A guess that can't be supported either by science/nature or by scripture.

Job was tempted but God didn't leave Job in deception or confusion. There was a clear lesson to be learned. You're saying that God tricked man and continues to play the trickster.

 

[marineimaging]

Everything that a Christian publicly states does impact other Christians. You are not an island.
Seeing your hypothesis has no facts to establish it, it is based on a guess. A guess that can't be supported either by science/nature or by scripture.

Job was tempted but God didn't leave Job in deception or confusion. There was a clear lesson to be learned. You're saying that God tricked man and continues to play the trickster.

Once again somebody is putting words in my mouth. Not even close to what I said. But I will make it easy for you.

 

[Hank77]

Once again somebody is putting words in my mouth. Not even close to what I said. But I will make it easy for you.

If God is allowing satan to trick people and continue to trick people with false physical evidence, creating deception and confusion, what lesson is God teaching by doing this? It's nothing like Job, there was no false evidence presented to Job.

 

[Brightmoon]

You are mistaken here.

. Am I ? Show us some verifiable evidence then . A photo, a fingerprint , God’s social security number Something ! Natural phenomena being evidence for God’s existence is a belief not a fact. As a Christian I believe that, but as someone trained as a scientist I know that natural phenomena only gives evidence of natural processes. I’m not mistaken, you are mixing up facts and opinions ( religious dogmas are all opinions)

 

[Inkfingers]

. Am I ? Show us some verifiable evidence then . A photo, a fingerprint , God’s social security number Something ! Natural phenomena being evidence for God’s existence is a belief not a fact. As a Christian I believe that, but as someone trained as a scientist I know that natural phenomena only gives evidence of natural processes. I’m not mistaken, you are mixing up facts and opinions

No, I'm not, I'm just not willing to parade my reasons on the web.

 

[Brightmoon]

I stated that God speaks to us as individuals. But there’s no verifiable physical evidence of this . Neither your non answer nor your objections speaks to that . I also stated that I don’t have a problem with God doing this and I don’t look for this in nature (but I still think that the information about Tiktaalik going public during the Dover trial was God trying to get creationists attention

 

[marineimaging]

If God is allowing satan to trick people and continue to trick people with false physical evidence, creating deception and confusion, what lesson is God teaching by doing this? It's nothing like Job, there was no false evidence presented to Job.

You called it false physical evidence. I didn't think of it as false physical evidence nor as creating confusion. I have no confusion. My parents don't, nor my sister and brother in law. My son, my daughter..., none of us have any confusion. Why should anybody else? But you are probably right. Still,blessed is he that believes when seeing, but even more so he that believes and has not seen.

 

[Brightmoon]

I didn't say that. I said that as in the Biblical account of Satan being allowed to do what he did to Job, to plant illness and failings to test him, the bones and fossils and byproducts that were found underground weren't in the ground UNTIL man began digging for them. But, hey. What I believe and what I know has no impact on you so don't worry about it. I am just toying with possibilities like a scientist is permitted to create a hypothesis and explore the "what if's".

. I think that’s an interesting idea but you do understand that these fossil organisms were once living animals

 

[GeorgeJ]

All of the folks who deny the existences of God, at least most of those I have experience with, seem to suffer from various levels of narcissism and get a lot of gratification from espousing their own attributes.

Gee...........sounds like many Christians I have known and met. Imagine that. Christians with human flaws and characteristics.

Find one who is polite to a Christian and I would be immediately suspicious of their motives.

Because we all know only Christians are polite to other Christians.

 

[Speedwell]

. I think that’s an interesting idea but you do understand that these fossil organisms were once living animals

So Satan planted them here as living species of which some were subsequent fossilized. Which is not a bad idea. It would preserve the literal inerrancy of Genesis--which after all is the only important thing to a creationist--and it would still account for the diversity of life we see around us.

 

[Heissonear]

As a machine designer and an employee working on the Superconducting Super Collidor I frequently demanded proof of God, until one day I realized that the scientific world and the spiritual world will never reside side by side in harmony in the conscious thoughts of mankind. If we were spiritually permanent seeking temporary physical existence it would work. But as a temporary physical being seeking permanent spiritual existence with our creator, those two things simply will not thrive in our minds. You can't have it both ways.

You are correct, the fact of creationism is being denied for a reason, but I could have told you that 2000 years ago as did our forefathers. What you base you statement on is the work of other men, right? Not on work you did yourself, but work done by others who you follow like a little puppy, searching for a bone to support your selfish lusts and desires. Consider that the regimented, financially supported studies of geology, paleontology, anthropology..., all of such sciences did not really begin in earnest until the Mid 1600's at the earliest and really until the mid 1700's and 1800's as a dedicated effort supported by universities. And many of those studies of the day had hidden monetary reasons to push the boundaries and likewise, many have been debunked as science was fine tuned.

A lot of us contend that we are in the last days of Satan. Yes, of Satan. Not of mankind. And we are not looking for a reason to exist. We have that reason. Nor are we looking for the chemical composition of Love because if it is nothing more that a brain squirt, then it cannot exist in the non-physical being of our God. We are close to the end of Satan and he will do what ever he can to hang on. It is his selfish nature that led him to turn against God and his selfish nature that causes him to want to be God. But his days are numbered. How do we know? Answer this;

How did those who contributed to our bible 2000 years ago know the following:
2 Timothy

3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.​

And as for False Christs in the last days
Matthew 24

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (Then they thought it happened in 70AD, but there was much more to come.)
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.​

How many times have you heard that the prophesies have been around for ages and nothing has happened? Well, in all of those prophesies and promises of things to come there was something that had not happened yet. Not until now...

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By Irvin Baxter - "From 70 AD until today, Jerusalem has continued to be under Gentile control. When Jerusalem was captured by Israel in the 1967 War, many Bible students thought the times of the Gentiles were over. However, Israel’s secular government returned control of the Temple Mount to the Muslims." And then we read, "Jerusalem is the most disputed piece of real estate on earth today. The nation of Israel is now reborn after almost 2,000 years of exile. A peace treaty that will settle the control of the Temple Mount is being crafted by representatives of the world community. All of these factors speak loud and clear to us. The times of the Gentiles are almost over and the second coming of Jesus is very near!"

Friends, you may think you are following those of the sciences with the true answers, but just remember as you prepare to embark on your next excursion into sin that lovers of their own selves, the covetous, the boasters, the overtly proud, the blasphemers, unthankful and unholy, without natural affection, treaty breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those people that are good, traitors, high-minded lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; your Wanted Poster was nailed on the bulletin board under a cross 2000 years ago. It is now time to step up to the plate and make an accounting of yourself. Will you have anything to hand over to the judge?

So many things understood and spoken well, Sir Marine.

Most of your post content is quite higher than many posters on CF can see in Reality.

Yes, major universities and lower level school classrooms in bondage to presenting false knowledge, 180° opposite of what is truth.

A time of major deception is upon multitudes. It is before us to view. Such grand scale deceoption has overtaken even the smartest and most educated people of our time, people who spread deceptive words and principles. All thinking the Bible is full or error and non-sense.

We may be on the eve of the Lord Jesus exposing Satan and the mutitudes deceived by him. The deceiver of Mankind and the present grand-scale deception many are in bondage to. They speak lies as truth.

Evolution has zero fossil record proof. Time to face up to all that has been unearthed and what it shows.

 

[Heissonear]

Once again somebody is putting words in my mouth. Not even close to what I said. But I will make it easy for you.

It is in many cases misunderstanding. Things still to out of reach for them to grasp with their present maligned knowledgebase. So they malign the truth.