The Flood

[philadiddle]

2) not enough time for the rain. most of the water came from underground. The bible says there was water above and below the firmament so if the firmament is the ground then when the "fountains of the deep" broke open then that is saying the water also came up.

First problem, the dry land was under the firmament:
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Second problem, the sun, moon and stars are all in the firmament (which also means there are waters above the sun, moon and stars):

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

Why do you think it was written to describe it that way? What was the firmament then?

 

[AnswersInHovind]

First problem, the dry land was under the firmament:
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Second problem, the sun, moon and stars are all in the firmament (which also means there are waters above the sun, moon and stars):

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

Why do you think it was written to describe it that way? What was the firmament then?

I still can't believe there are people who don't understand canopy theory. Its so simple and works so well, while giving an explanation of other things too, such as how Adam lived so long.

 

[philadiddle]

I still can't believe there are people who don't understand canopy theory. Its so simple and works so well, while giving an explanation of other things too, such as how Adam lived so long.

I still can't believe there are people who don't understand canopy theory. It's been around for decades and they still can't make a working model. You'd think if it were true they would understand it by now, but instead they've all abandoned it.

It's interesting how even the literal interpretation of creation can change with evidence.

 

[Mallon]

I still can't believe there are people who don't understand canopy theory. Its so simple and works so well, while giving an explanation of other things too, such as how Adam lived so long.

Whaaaa??? That idea has been completely destroyed.

YouTube - Water Canopy Theory = Bull$#!+

 

[AnswersInHovind]

I still can't believe there are people who don't understand canopy theory. It's been around for decades and they still can't make a working model. You'd think if it were true they would understand it by now, but instead they've all abandoned it.

It's interesting how even the literal interpretation of creation can change with evidence.

Evolution has been around for hundreds of years and they still don't know a lot about how it works. I will stick with the Bible thanks.

 

[AnswersInHovind]

Whaaaa??? That idea has been completely destroyed.

YouTube - Water Canopy Theory = Bull$#!+

awesome refutation.... 15 yearold kid on youtube.

 

[Mallon]

awesome refutation.... 15 yearold kid on youtube.

Actually, that kid did provide a solid refutation of the water canopy argument. He used actual numbers to show that it's impossible. Others have argued along the same lines as him, if you care to look it up online.

Don't write him off because of his age. Take a stab at actually addressing his points. The ball's still in your court.

 

[solarwave]

Evolution has been around for hundreds of years and they still don't know a lot about how it works. I will stick with the Bible thanks.

Physics has been around even longer and they don't know how alot of it works. They don't even know exactly how gravity works, so screw gravity, I'm flying to work tomorrow.

 

[AnswersInHovind]

TE's always criticize the creationists for posting to videos and articles without explaining them, and expecting the TE's to do all the work with it. This is what you are saying now. I am supposed to develop a detailed argument against a youtube video that attacks 1 specific form of canopy theory, when you have put no effort into engaging the video other than a quick post and "refute this!" And if I was able to refute it, how many more videos and articles can you spam in the same way?

John 1:5... its as simple as that Mallon.

 

[AnswersInHovind]

Physics has been around even longer and they don't know how alot of it works. They don't even know exactly how gravity works, so screw gravity, I'm flying to work tomorrow.

edit out, misundestood quote

 

[BrendanMark]

The "waters from below" line simply does not account for sea level being 8.8 kilometers higher than it is. The water going underground is the lamest nonsense imaginable. The volume has not disappeared into rock. The volume of water needs to be accounted for - and underground does not make any sense at all.

 

[AnswersInHovind]

The "waters from below" line simply does not account for sea level being 8.8 kilometers higher than it is. The water going underground is the lamest nonsense imaginable. The volume has not disappeared into rock. The volume of water needs to be accounted for - and underground does not make any sense at all.

Thats right. If we can't explain the miraculous powers of God in concrete scientific ways, then they obviously couldn't have happened.

 

[Mallon]

TE's always criticize the creationists for posting to videos and articles without explaining them, and expecting the TE's to do all the work with it. This is what you are saying now. I am supposed to develop a detailed argument against a youtube video that attacks 1 specific form of canopy theory, when you have put no effort into engaging the video other than a quick post and "refute this!" And if I was able to refute it, how many more videos and articles can you spam in the same way?

John 1:5... its as simple as that Mallon.

Ah. So you can't actually defend the water canopy idea.

 

[AnswersInHovind]

Ah. So you can't actually defend the water canopy idea.

God is not an old lady that he needs help to cross the street. You can chose to believe the Bible or not. The Bible speaks of a round earth, which nobody thought was possible, and even rejected in the Bible because of this, but science later showed it to be true.

We may not be able to defend all of Genesis now, but God's truth will win out. You can't just argue naturalism of the gaps.

 

[Mikecpking]

There is a very simple explanation of the global flood (not total) is the massive 400 feet rise in sea levels after the last ice age. No mystery, but catastrophic flood events occured many times as ice dams and land bridges collapsed, all well documented.

 

[Mallon]

God is not an old lady that he needs help to cross the street. You can chose to believe the Bible or not. The Bible speaks of a round earth, which nobody thought was possible, and even rejected in the Bible because of this, but science later showed it to be true.

The Bible also speaks of a flat earth that sits on pillars and doesn't move. I hope you're able to believe that, too, lest you reject the Bible.

 

[AnswersInHovind]

The Bible also speaks of a flat earth that sits on pillars and doesn't move. I hope you're able to believe that, too, lest you reject the Bible.

Nope. Sure doesn't. I can see how people in the medieval world could read that into the Bible to conform to contemporary science and worldview like evolutionists try to do with the Bible today, but it teachs a spherical earth, not a flat one.

 

[juvenissun]

Humans did not exist a few million years ago, as has been pointed out to you more than once. The 'flood' is supposed to have occurred during the time of Noah, which was 6,000 years ago, give or take.

On a linear time scale, you are right.
But we know time is not a straight line and is not only one line.

 

[Mallon]

Nope. Sure doesn't. I can see how people in the medieval world could read that into the Bible to conform to contemporary science and worldview like evolutionists try to do with the Bible today, but it teachs a spherical earth, not a flat one.

Where does the Bible say the earth is a sphere?

 

[Orogeny]

On a linear time scale, you are right.
But we know time is not a straight line and is not only one line.

This argument of yours has already been shown to be lacking, so I'm not going to address its weaknesses here. But on EARTH, on EARTH's timeline, man did not exist several million years ago. Period.