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I hope you do find the time to expain this to me, as the massive contradictions between OT and NT is certainly one of the reasons I began to doubt christianity in the first place. I find it impossible to reconcile new with old, and so there is only one inescapable conclusion for me: neither is correct.
Stop that ostentation NOW![]()
Stop stop STOP you're killing me!"What's for dinner dear?"
"Oh, I thought I'd just thaw out some proteinaceous material from the entropic disfavorable-box."
"Very good! I highly recommend you obtain the mass of the proteinaceous material while I ready the FTIR to ascertain the nature of the chemical bonds."
"Excellent, honey. Oh, yes, and please preheat the exothermic box so that the heat flux will be more favorable to an even cooking process!"
"So how was your day?"
"You know, the offspring units were more than a handful today."
"Ah, perhaps you need to put them into a glovebox and handle them with manipulators!"
"hahahahaha! Yes!"
So it's hard for me to get out of "ostentation mode".
"Ah, perhaps you need to put them into a glovebox and handle them with manipulators!"
I've finally answered your question but I took it over to General Apologetics to spare everyone here for it really is way off topic and quite lengthy.
Never doubted it for a moment, but I bet a few have...So see, I really am a nice person.![]()
If any one is interested...?
http://foru.ms/t6386533-which-way-to-righteousness-law-or-grace.html#post40496601
Sorry, don't know.How do I make this link shorter?
I didn't say you were younger (although i accept that is a logical conclusion from my comments) and I don't know how old you are at all.What makes you think I am younger, I could be really old you know. I am young but you don't know how young or how old.
That is interesting indeed. Good catch!O.K. just to bring this thread up to the front AND BACK ON TRACK, here is a verse I had never noticed before- until it came up on BibleGateway's Verse of the Day.
2 Peter 3
5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.
Does this not suggest that the Biblical flood might not have been world-wide, but instead was limited to the world of that time- namely, the Mediterranean basin?
This would fit in very well with the well-documented Mediterranean flood, which overwhelmed the entire basin many thousands of years ago- there is an excellent account of this at the following site: http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Bible-Science/PSCF12-97Morton.html
This seems about right. A large flood in the Mediterranean region would fit quite well. The problem is that there is no way there was a global flood x thousand years ago.O.K. just to bring this thread up to the front AND BACK ON TRACK, here is a verse I had never noticed before- until it came up on BibleGateway's Verse of the Day.
2 Peter 3
5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.
Does this not suggest that the Biblical flood might not have been world-wide, but instead was limited to the world of that time- namely, the Mediterranean basin?
This would fit in very well with the well-documented Mediterranean flood, which overwhelmed the entire basin many thousands of years ago- there is an excellent account of this at the following site: http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Bible-Science/PSCF12-97Morton.html
Interesting. I prefer the reading direct from the Greek text though:O.K. just to bring this thread up to the front AND BACK ON TRACK, here is a verse I had never noticed before- until it came up on BibleGateway's Verse of the Day.
2 Peter 3
5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.
the water isnt the only problem, it arguably isnt even the biggest.My fiancee did a calculation of what it would take to flood the Earth, turns out, its impossible
Lock and load!
The United Nations Environment Programme estimates there are 1.4 billion cubic kilometres (330 million mi3) of water available on Earth. Including underground sources.
The highest point on the surface of the Earth is Mount Everest in Nepal. 8,848 meters tall (29,028 feet)
The mean radius of the Earth (Core to sea level) is 6,372,797 meters. With Everest added to that, it comes out to 6,381,645 meters.
The total mass of the hydrosphere of the oceans is about 1.4 × 1021 kilograms, which is about 0.023% of the Earth's total mass.
The volume of the earth in-between the highest and lowest points on earth assuming that the ENTIRE surface is flooded WITH landmasses accounted for is 5x105
Avalible- 1.4 billion cubic kilometers
Needed (To cover the ENTIRE surface)- 5 quadrillion cubic kilometers
Missing- 4.9999986 quadrillion cubic kilometers.
We would need probably nine or ten orders of magnitude more water than we actually have avalible. Even if there were a couple billion cubic kilometers hiding under the surface of the Earth, we would even BEGIN to have enough.
To have that much water on Earth would disrupt the gravity of the Earth and SERIOUSLY mess with the tripple point of water which would result in the death of all life as we know it.
As you see, it it mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for the ENTIRE surface of the Earth to be covered with water.
You know what? I think you've just found the cause of the Permian extinctions4) People shrug off fish because they live in the water and would be safe, NOPE! Most fish can only tolerate a very narrow range of salinity. The amount of water required to raise the oceans so drastically would have lowered its salinity well beyond the survival capabilities of most fish. However, as the seawater hit the lakes and rivers it would have been far too salty for most freshwater fish so they would have died as well.
My fiancee did a calculation of what it would take to flood the Earth, turns out, its impossible
Lock and load!
The United Nations Environment Programme estimates there are 1.4 billion cubic kilometres (330 million mi3) of water available on Earth. Including underground sources.
The highest point on the surface of the Earth is Mount Everest in Nepal. 8,848 meters tall (29,028 feet)
The mean radius of the Earth (Core to sea level) is 6,372,797 meters. With Everest added to that, it comes out to 6,381,645 meters.
The total mass of the hydrosphere of the oceans is about 1.4 × 1021 kilograms, which is about 0.023% of the Earth's total mass.
The volume of the earth in-between the highest and lowest points on earth assuming that the ENTIRE surface is flooded WITH landmasses accounted for is 5x105
Avalible- 1.4 billion cubic kilometers
Needed (To cover the ENTIRE surface)- 5 quadrillion cubic kilometers
Missing- 4.9999986 quadrillion cubic kilometers.
We would need probably nine or ten orders of magnitude more water than we actually have avalible. Even if there were a couple billion cubic kilometers hiding under the surface of the Earth, we would even BEGIN to have enough.
To have that much water on Earth would disrupt the gravity of the Earth and SERIOUSLY mess with the tripple point of water which would result in the death of all life as we know it.
As you see, it it mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for the ENTIRE surface of the Earth to be covered with water.
Umm...and Mt Sinai was what?There is a fundamental fallacy in your argument- the assumption that the earth was mountainous at the time of the Biblical flood.
We know plate tectonics creates mountains, and that before plate collisions occurred and mountains were thrust up, the earth was much flatter. Actually, if orogeny (mountain building) didn't happen anymore and the existing mountains were completely eroded away, the entire earth would be covered with water!
Check this math out: [bible]Mark 8:19[/bible]As you see, it it mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for the ENTIRE surface of the Earth to be covered with water.
Check this math out: [bible]Mark 8:19[/bible]
Dang it! Where is thaumaturgy when you need him?There is a fundamental fallacy in your argument- the assumption that the earth was mountainous at the time of the Biblical flood.
We know plate tectonics creates mountains, and that before plate collisions occurred and mountains were thrust up, the earth was much flatter. Actually, if orogeny (mountain building) didn't happen anymore and the existing mountains were completely eroded away, the entire earth would be covered with water!