The Flood

[Angel75]

I have heard  creationist state that they obviously didn't need to take aquatic animals on board with noah, since they could stay in the water. But if all that water fell, enough to cover all land, the water would not be salt water anymore...Point is how would the fishies and other salt water animals live? they die in fresh water. Just a tiny point and yet so valid IMO. can't wait to hear the answers to this

 

edited to add....Just realized it goes both ways. For fresh water life too, the fresh water would be contaminated.

 

[My Higher Self]

That's a good point, I can't wait for some theories there too!!

I've always thought the logistics behind gathering that many animals, feeding them and taking care of them was a bit much to make the story believable. It would take hundreds of people I imagine...I mean look at modern zoos. I would also have to imagine that he took more than a single pair of many animals....other wise what would the carnivores eat while they were on the ark?

 

[Angel75]

great avatar mhs loooooove kevin smith movies

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by Angel75
I have heard  creationist state that they obviously didn't need to take aquatic animals on board with noah, since they could stay in the water. But if all that water fell, enough to cover all land, the water would not be salt water anymore...Point is how would the fishies and other salt water animals live? they die in fresh water. Just a tiny point and yet so valid IMO. can't wait to hear the answers to this

I didn't even think about that. nice post.

 

[Data Guy]

Seesaw, sounds like an honest question. Not only would salt water 'fishies' die in fresh water, but fresh water animals would die in salt water, too!

However, I'm not so certain that all that water falling would automatically mean there was a dispersion of salt, resulting in an even distribution or concentration. I've seen PBS specials where there are fresh water pocket in the Dead Sea, sometimes only 20 or 30 feet in size, and entire fresh water communities survive there.

All it takes is a small localized fresh water area to preserve two of each kind. And if most of them did not survive, then we would expect hundreds of thousands of 'fishie' fossils, just as those seen in the fossil record.

But then, I can't say for sure, as I wasn't there.

 

[Morat]

  See, I'd like to see references to these "fresh water pockets" in the Dead Sea, and the "fresh water fish" that survive there.

 

 

[paulewog]

I don't suppose it was possible that since the water fell all over the EARTH, also, and since water came OUT of the earth, that salt was in the water?

hehe

Or perhaps the salt/fresh water fishies hadn't been 'breeded' yet .... there was just "fish." (hey, I'm throwing out theories )

By the way, about feeding the animals - I'm nto sure how Noah did it, but he had nothing else to do in the Ark; people were quite healthy back then still (I'm sure they had more energy than we did, I mean they lived to be 900 years ); and there weren't THAT many animals.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by Data Guy
All it takes is a small localized fresh water area to preserve two of each kind. And if most of them did not survive, then we would expect hundreds of thousands of 'fishie' fossils, just as those seen in the fossil record.

Yeah, except all those fossils weren't deposited all at once. And various dating methods show them to be millions of years old. Whoops!

 

[Morat]

I don't suppose it was possible that since the water fell all over the EARTH, also, and since water came OUT of the earth, that salt was in the water?

hehe

Or perhaps the salt/fresh water fishies hadn't been 'breeded' yet .... there was just "fish."  (hey, I'm throwing out theories )

  Actually, you're throwing out hypothesis, not theoreis.

  It's amazing how much evolution you guys will use to make Noah's flood work, but refuse to accept rates orders of magnitude lower for regular, plain ole' evolution.

 

 

[LightBearer]

Don't salmon live in the sea and return to fresh water to spawn. Some eels do the same.  The young of which are born in fresh water and the move on to live in the sea.

 

[buteeful22]

Just don't read into it too much. Thats causes confusion and curiosity. I remember being gathered around these two people that got deep into the beginning of the earth. I found myself being curious about it. then God spoke and said clealry, 'If you get too deep into it you may be driven astry, Just believe what I say"Just believe what God says happened. Thats the problem everyone wants to know why, why, why, why, Just believe what God says.

 

[Nathan Poe]

This has got to be a joke. Oh well...

*RANT MODE ON*

Originally posted by buteeful22
Just don't read into it too much. Thats causes confusion and curiosity.

And one thing people should NEVER experience is curiosity...

I remember being gathered around these two people that got deep into the beginning of the earth. I found myself being curious about it.

Shame on you. Just because God gave you a brain doesn't mean you were supposed to use it there. No wonder you got curious.

then God spoke and said clealry, 'If you get too deep into it you may be driven astry, Just believe what I say"

Mind if I ask what God's voice sounds like? Is he a tenor? A baritone? Does he have that cool echo effect like in the movies?

Just believe what God says happened. Thats the problem everyone wants to know why, why, why, why, Just believe what God says.

Well, you heard it from God himself: "Shut your mouth and do as you're told."
Of course, now we understand that we need to take this unwritten dogma a bit further. Perhaps I should rephrase it to "shut your mind"?

*RANT MODE OFF*

 

[OneLargeToe]

Thats the problem everyone wants to know why, why, why, why, Just believe what God says.

I'm simply amazed that there are people who think like this...

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Did God say something like this to Adam and Eve:

"Don't think! It is dangerous. You study things, you learn things, you develop ideas, you share information - you generate knowledge. Knowledge is power, if you become knowledgable you will become powerfull. I am ALL POWERFUL you must remain ignorant and obey ME. You must not become powerful. Don't trust in the abilities of your own puny minds. Shut your minds off, gouge your eyes out. I will feed you manna, I will give you eternal joy. If you don't listent to me, you will burn for ever and ever."

 

[jon1101]

Originally posted by buteeful22
Just don't read into it too much. Thats causes confusion and curiosity. I remember being gathered around these two people that got deep into the beginning of the earth. I found myself being curious about it. then God spoke and said clealry, 'If you get too deep into it you may be driven astry, Just believe what I say"Just believe what God says happened. Thats the problem everyone wants to know why, why, why, why, Just believe what God says.

A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thought to his steps. -Proverbs 14:15

God wants us to analyze what we believe.

-jon

 

[greekgal]

I used to live on top of a TALL hill (not quite a mountain) and under some bushes near the house, I found some fossilized sea shells and fossilized fish embedded in rock. I'm convinced I had found archealogical evidence of the Great Flood.

 

[lithium.]

Do you know if there used to be sea or ocean water where your not quite a mountain is. I will never believe in a global flood.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/collision.html

http://www.branches.co.uk/earth/tectonic.htm

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by greekgal
I used to live on top of a TALL hill (not quite a mountain) and under some bushes near the house, I found some fossilized sea shells and fossilized fish embedded in rock. I'm convinced I had found archealogical evidence of the Great Flood.

It's more likely those rocks were once at the bottom of a sea or lake and were later uplifted to the top of your "hill" by tectonic forces.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Originally posted by Late_Cretaceous
Did God say something like this to Adam and Eve:

"Don't think! It is dangerous. You study things, you learn things, you develop ideas, you share information - you generate knowledge. Knowledge is power, if you become knowledgable you will become powerfull. I am ALL POWERFUL you must remain ignorant and obey ME. You must not become powerful. Don't trust in the abilities of your own puny minds. Shut your minds off, gouge your eyes out. I will feed you manna, I will give you eternal joy. If you don't listent to me, you will burn for ever and ever."

Of course he did! Do you think it's coincidence that the forbidden fruit came from the Tree of KNOWLEDGE?

 

[Homie]

My sceptism made my faith stronger, although that doesn't happen to everyone.

About the flood, I recon God must have done a fair bit of supernatural stuff, or else it seems difficult (yet not impossible) that Noah and his family could feed all those animals, it wouldn't be the 1st time and certainly not the last time God performed miracles, remember when Jesus fed the 5000 people.