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chaoschristian said:OK, here it a critique of the mechanics of flood geology from another site I frequent. The author is not Christian friendly, but his analysis still stands
Is flood geology consistent with fundamental laws of physics? Once again, absolutely not. .
Not two of every type we now see in the world. Two of every kind then in the world. I think a lot of adapting happened after the flood. As for co existing, that is easy. God put it in them to know basically it was a life and death thing going on, overriding the normal instincts.Brownsy said:...
Not only this, but the whole idea of a global flood, of 2 of every kind of animal in the whole world fitting, onto a man made arc, harmoniously co-existing for an extended period of time and surviving to pro-create an repopulate the earth is nothing short of impossible in my eyes..
I knew the day would arrive when dad decided to spread his insanity to the Origins forum, I'd like to see what some of the YECs round here think of his more 'unique' theories.This message is hidden because dad is on your ignore list.</SPAN>
Not only this, but the whole idea of a global flood, of 2 of every kind of animal in the whole world fitting, onto a man made arc, harmoniously co-existing for an extended period of time and surviving to pro-create an repopulate the earth is nothing short of impossible in my eyes..
applepowerpc said:And thus we get to the real moral crisis here. Do you accept the Bible's authority and God's omnipotent power, or do you take matters in your hands and decide for yourself what is impossible in your own eyes?
As for me, God's Word is God's inerrant authority in my life, and if it says the world was flooded to a height of 20 feet over all the mountains, then it was flooded to a height of 20 feet over all the mountains.
theFijian said:I knew the day would arrive when dad decided to spread his insanity to the Origins forum, I'd like to see what some of the YECs round here think of his more 'unique' theories.
The moral crisis only occurs if you choose to view scripture only through an indicative interpretation that insists that it is both scientifically and historically correct.applepowerpc said:And thus we get to the real moral crisis here. Do you accept the Bible's authority and God's omnipotent power, or do you take matters in your hands and decide for yourself what is impossible in your own eyes?
As for me, God's Word is God's inerrant authority in my life, and if it says the world was flooded to a height of 20 feet over all the mountains, then it was flooded to a height of 20 feet over all the mountains.
And thus we get to the real moral crisis here. Do you accept the Bible's authority and God's omnipotent power, or do you take matters in your hands and decide for yourself what is impossible in your own eyes?
As for me, God's Word is God's inerrant authority in my life, and if it says the world was flooded to a height of 20 feet over all the mountains, then it was flooded to a height of 20 feet over all the mountains.
One cannot believe both in a local flood and an inerrant Bible.
Genesis 7:20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet.
Even if you take the liberal interpretation to mean the tallest KNOWN mountain, in the region, that still leaves Mount Ararat. Elevation 16,000 feet.
You mean to tell me it rained 40 days and 40 nights, and the earth remained flooded 150 days (Gen. 7:24), to a height of 16,000 feet--in a LOCALITY???? What did it rain, jello? Either fundamental physics is wrong, the Bible is wrong, or it was a global flood.
The "error" is thinking that Scripture actually makes those claims.According to scripture pi=3 and insects have four legs. This is error, so is God a liar?
XianJedi said:The "error" is thinking that Scripture actually makes those claims.
Scripture NEVER claims "pi = 3". It says they USED 3 as an approximation of pi, but there is never a statement saying 3 is the value of pi.
XianJedi said:The "error" is thinking that Scripture actually makes those claims.
Scripture NEVER claims "pi = 3". It says they USED 3 as an approximation of pi, but there is never a statement saying 3 is the value of pi.
Insect legs - read http://www.tektonics.org/af/buglegs.html
Irrelevent. The topic is not "YEC", the topic is whether the flood was global or local, which is not impacted by a young or old earth view. Although Scripture may not give an age for the earth, it certainly does present the flood as a global occurence. The debate is at what point between historical and allegorical is the account.The Lady Kate said:Similarly, Scripture also NEVER claims that the Earth is 6,000 years old... we have James Ussher to thank for that.
And yet all of YEC is based on that "error."
Pi is not mentioned anywhere. Since when does approximation equal error? Even today, no matter how many decimal places we take pi to, it is ALWAYS an approximation. To say the Biblical approximation is "wrong" because its approximation goes to fewer decimal places than our approximation today is ludicrous.rmwilliamsll said:read the verses with the same common sense, literal, clear, man in the pew, etc hermeneutic that you read Gen 1-5 with.
"And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick...." — First Kings, chapter 7, verses 23 and 26
it says pi=30/10=3
XianJedi said:Pi is not mentioned anywhere. Since when does approximation equal error? Even today, no matter how many decimal places we take pi to, it is ALWAYS an approximation. To say the Biblical approximation is "wrong" because its approximation goes to fewer decimal places than our approximation today is ludicrous.
Exactly, which is why it isn't a "lie" or "error". If an engineer is discussing a computation with fellow engineers, he might use "54.7644". If he is telling his wife what he did at work today, he might just say "54" or even "55". Is he "lying" to his wife? No, he's only using an approximated value that is appropriate for his audience at the time.and the precision of pi wasn't significant to him, but this is the whole point. The value of the passage was never intended to be in math.
XianJedi said:Pi is not mentioned anywhere. Since when does approximation equal error? Even today, no matter how many decimal places we take pi to, it is ALWAYS an approximation. To say the Biblical approximation is "wrong" because its approximation goes to fewer decimal places than our approximation today is ludicrous.
Wow, the slopiness in your math reasoning there is substantial. I may have more time later to point out why.rmwilliamsll said:look at the issue a little closer.
if the diameter is 10 cubits, about 180 inches or 15 ft.
using pi=3.14 means the circumference would be 15*3.14=47.1 ft
the error is 47.1-30*18/12=2.1 FEET.
some approximation!!!
not decimal points. it is a matter of feet off.
XianJedi said:Wow, the slopiness in your math reasoning there is substantial. I may have more time later to point out why.
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