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[MoonLancer]

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Sorry but all 3 of those are covered by the brain.

and your spirit is totally different from most peoples interpretations of spirit. Spirit can simply mean determination.

 

[Delphiki]

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body = soma = gives us world-consciousness via the empirical senses

The brain does this

soul = psyche = gives us self-consciousness via the mind, the will, and the emotions

The brain does this also

spirit = pneuma = gives us God-consciousness via the Scriptures"

Reading and blind faith, which the brain gives us the capacity to do, also does this.

What does the spirit do that the brain doesn't?

 

[Inan3]

what does the spirit do? I suspect nothing the brain doesn't already do.

Basically speaking the soul of man is who we are... our personality, our intellect, our will. The spirit of man connects with God. The body is the vehicle of expression that houses the soul and spirit. The brain is the control center of the body which is powered by the soul and the spirit. While the spirit, soul and body are all closely related and entwined, the soul and spirit go on forever, but the body with its brain do not.

 

[Inan3]

Sorry but all 3 of those are covered by the brain.

and your spirit is totally different from most peoples interpretations of spirit. Spirit can simply mean determination.

I disagree but will not be giving my explanation here.

 

[MoonLancer]

Basically speaking the soul of man is who we are... our personality, our intellect, our will. The spirit of man connects with God. The body is the vehicle of expression that houses the soul and spirit. The brain is the control center of the body which is powered by the soul and the spirit. While the spirit, soul and body are all closely related and entwined, the soul and spirit go on forever, but the body with its brain do not.

Intellect is controlled by the brain, Will is partly determined by the brain at birth and partly based off experience, the same goes for Personality.

No attribute you have given is not already known to science. All these factors are apart of the brain.

So i will ask again. What does the spirit and soul do, that the brain cannot?

 

[AV1611VET]

So i will ask again. What does the spirit and soul do, that the brain cannot?

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[MoonLancer]

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Those are all done by the brain av

 

[AV1611VET]

Those are all done by the brain av

Book, chapter, and verse please?

 

[Delphiki]

Basically speaking the soul of man is who we are

our brain

... our personality

...our brain

our intellect,

our brain

our will.

and our spleen... I mean, brain.

The spirit of man connects with God.

By an emotional response to profound faith originating in the brain

The body

which is controlled by the brain

is the vehicle of expression

from our brain

that houses the soul and spirit.

which seem to still do nothing different than what we already know the brain does.

The brain is the control center of the body

You're getting it!

which is powered by the soul and the spirit.

The brain is fueled mostly by oxygenated blood and glucose, actually.

While the spirit, soul and body are all closely related and entwined, the soul and spirit go on forever,

Care to quantify these? Maybe show a tangible example of the soul of, say, John Candy or John Belushi?

but the body with its brain do not.

Other organs our body will not survive without: heart, lungs, kidneys, intestines, spinal chord, liver, and many others.

 

[MoonLancer]

Book, chapter, and verse please?

The GOD Part Of The Brain - Matthew Alper

there is a whole book on number 3

do i really need to show that emotion comes from the brain... i mean that's really basic stuff. Everyone should know that already

 

[wensdee]

do i really need to show that emotion comes from the brain... i mean that's really basic stuff. Everyone should know that already

That's just it, these ideas came about at a time when men knew nothing of the brain so they put them all down to the workings of a spirit.

People seem to forget when, where and by whom these things were written, most Americans have no idea what old is, most of them think a hundred years is a long time, they must be completely gob smacked by 2000 years.

 

[Greg1234]

The GOD Part Of The Brain - Matthew Alper

He found a physical part of the brain which is a part of the non-physical? This one ought to be good.

 

[Inan3]

Care to quantify these?

I only have to point out that there have been over a million after death experiences where people still thought, felt (emotionally), saw and heard OUTSIDE of their bodies APART from their brains. These people over and over had similar experiences whether young or old or blind or connected in any way to each other. There is plenty of evidence if one would just want to look at it. I have also seen some of the skeptics suggestions to these occurances. They only have speculation to what these people have experienced and there is no evidence to support their speculation.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I only have to point out that there have been over a million after death experiences where people still thought, felt (emotionally), saw and heard OUTSIDE of their bodies APART from their brains. These people over and over had similar experiences whether young or old or blind or connected in any way to each other. There is plenty of evidence if one would just want to look at it. I have also seen some of the skeptics suggestions to these occurances. They only have speculation to what these people have experienced and there is no evidence to support their speculation.

I think you are talking about near death experiences not after death experiences and there is no proven, documented case where the patient saw anything they couldn't have seen in the room. I have had one myself and there is no way to know if the light, etc. is just the result my the brain shutting down temporarily due to lack of oxygen or to the fact that the only thing I could see while lying on the floor was the bright light on the ceiling or something truely "supernatural". Certainly the narrowing of the field of vision that occurs prior to loss of conciousness is the result of lack of oxygen and I assume the feeling of being "outside" of my body could be to.

 

[Hespera]

I think you are talking about near death experiences not after death experiences and there is no proven, documented case where the patient saw anything they couldn't have seen in the room. I have had one myself and there is no way to know if the light, etc. is just the result my the brain shutting down temporarily due to lack of oxygen or to the fact that the only thing I could see while lying on the floor was the bright light on the ceiling or something truely "supernatural". Certainly the narrowing of the field of vision that occurs prior to loss of conciousness is the result of lack of oxygen.

This goes both ways...They only have speculation to what these people have experienced and there is no evidence to support their speculation.

and some people prefer to go for the most outlandish explanation for things.

I saw a light; therefore an advanced civilization from beetlejuice is doing surveillance for an invasion. Someone hallucinated, so god is real.
Try those rules of evidence in court!

 

[CaliforniaSun]

I only have to point out that there have been over a million after death experiences where people still thought, felt (emotionally), saw and heard OUTSIDE of their bodies APART from their brains. These people over and over had similar experiences whether young or old or blind or connected in any way to each other. There is plenty of evidence if one would just want to look at it. I have also seen some of the skeptics suggestions to these occurances. They only have speculation to what these people have experienced and there is no evidence to support their speculation.

So, without evidence to support speculation allows one to speculate?

 

[MoonLancer]

He found a physical part of the brain which is a part of the non-physical? This one ought to be good.

No he found a part of the brain which causes a belief in the non physical. So when someone says bla bla bla believe this to get in touch with the non physical, its actually a sensation the brain causes instead. so getting in touch with the non physical is actually getting in touch with a part of the brain and believing its spiritual. In other words whenever a christian says they are getting in touch with god or talking to god its actually a part of the brain ;p

When this part of the brain is stimulated, The person will have a spiritual experience. If they beleive in god they will think they have just witnessed or talked to god. If an atheist has this part of the brain stimulated they wont attribute it to a god but they will have a similar sensation or feeling as the theist.

That's just it, these ideas came about at a time when men knew nothing of the brain so they put them all down to the workings of a spirit.

I know

But at this time there is no attribute one can give to spirit or soul that the brain doesn't already do on its own.

 

[Jazer]

The attributes you attribute to the heart are actually only in the brain.

The heart just pumps blood.

Chemicals released by the brain can be beneficial for the heart.

 

[RichardSniffen]

Chemicals released by the brain can be beneficial for the heart.

Which ones? I'm curious.

 

[Cabal]

This goes both ways...They only have speculation to what these people have experienced and there is no evidence to support their speculation.

and some people prefer to go for the most outlandish explanation for things.

I saw a light; therefore an advanced civilization from beetlejuice is doing surveillance for an invasion. Someone hallucinated, so god is real.
Try those rules of evidence in court!

I've never really understood why NDEs and religious experiences are attributed to the God/spirit world being existent and content to just tickle people's brains instead of an obviously localised experience being, um, obviously localised, i.e. merely physiological.

Obviously it's MUCH more rational to assume it's the former and not the latter