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The Flawed Logic of "The One True Path"

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The Flawed Logic of "The One True Path"

If you are a human being who lives on Earth, you have probably been exposed to other human beings who are not your exact clones.
If this sounds like you, then you have probably also been told once or twice that what you believe is wrong and (coincidentally) the person who told you this just so happens to have the correct set of beliefs that you should promptly integrate into your life.
The first time I heard this, I was excited at this easy replacement for years of personal discipline, study and introspection. Imagine my shock and amazement when I found that that the reasons they offered as to why they were right didn't quite stand up to the feeble light of early dawn.
To save you from suffering the same disappointment that I endured, I have listed some of these reasons that failed to provide me the "easy out" and forced me to do actual real work in finding my own personal spirituality.
1) My Religion is Right, so Yours Must be Wrong!
Let's all start and agree with the premise that Divinity is Big. Quite probably beyond our ability to grasp its vastness. Bigger than the Earth, even!
Okay. Now look out your window and describe what you see. Did you just describe every feature of our planet, or just a small part that you have seen and are familiar with?
If you can't describe all of our little planet, how can you expect to describe all of Divinity?
Just as I can look outside and say "The Earth is a muddy swamp like my backyard is after the rain" you might say "The Earth is a dry hot arid place" because you've had a year of drought.
A Religion is basically like looking out your window and describing Divinity as you see it. It is impossible for you to describe it in its entirety as you haven't seen it in its entirety.
As a result each religion is expressing the portion of Divinity that the people who created it could see.
Just because you see one thing doesn't mean that somebody else can't see a different aspect of Divinity and be just as correct as you are. Just like I see mud outside my window and you see a cracked river bed. We're both right. It's just that we're looking at something so big that we each see a different part of it.
Just because you don't see the same thing I do doesn't mean that I'm wrong. We can both be right if we're seeing different things.
2) My Religion is Old, so it must be Right!
Due to the fact that people have believed something for a Real Long Time™ it must be correct. This is quickly shot down with this:
From my quick search on Google, the oldest formal religion appears to be Hinduism. So if you're not a Hindu, you've already buzzed out.
The oldest informal religion was probably cavemen worshipping the sun and cowering from the angry storm gods. So, if you're not a Hindu and don't worship the sun and fear the storm gods, you've just buzzed out twice.
But even If you do happen to be a Hindu and worship the sun and fear the storm gods, it still doesn't mean you are right. Sorry. When it comes right down to it, this answer is really no more valid than any other when it comes to establishing a logical basis for your belief system.
3) My Religion is New, so it must be Right!
To the best of my knowledge, the newest religion is the one that I just made up worshipping The Great God Lardicus and the Gentle Goddess Dietima.
If you're not worshipping one or both of them, buzz yourself out on this one, too.
4) My Religion is New, but it is based on Ancient Knowledge, so it must be Right!
I have to admit that is my favorite one, as it gives you the best of both worlds. This is a common one with many of the New Age religions. Many of the "New Old" religions are only about 50 years old, but claim ancestry going back hundreds or thousands of years.
Ancient wisdom combined with modern insight - what could be better?
Unfortunately, if being Old doesn't make it Right, and being New doesn't make it right, being Old and New doesn't make it right either.
5) Lots of Other People Believe It Too, so it must be Right!
If everybody decided to go and jump off a bridge, would you do it too?
I'm sorry. My mother made me write that.
But I must grudgingly admit that she has a valid point. Lots of people were pretty darn sure the Earth was flat, yet even that power of belief was unable to squish our planet into a nice one-horizon pancake planet.
6) Hardly Anybody Knows About It, so it must be Right!
Many "secret societies" have a veil of this kind of thinking around them.
While it may be possible that they possess knowledge (or think that they do) that others don't have, it does not automatically give their beliefs any more credibility than any of the other reasons we've covered so far.
7) This Holy Book Says it is True, so it must be Right!
Welcome to the land of Circular Reasoning!
Here's how it usually works: "My Religion is Right!" "Why?" "Because my Holy Book says it is!" "Well, why should I believe your Holy Book is Right?" "Because my Religion says it is!"
You can not logically say "Here's my first premise, here's my second premise. My first premise is true because my second premise says it is. My second premise is true because my first premise says it is. Therefore, both premises are true and support each other!"
Unfortunately, this doesn't work when exposed to any form of logic or rationality. In order to provide "proof" there must be validation from outside of the condition being tested.
8) Divinity Said It Was True, so it must be Right!
This is almost identical to the last technique, but instead of a Holy Book saying it, some form of Divinity said it.
But who did they say it to? Was it someone you know is trustworthy? Are they alive?
Did you hear it? So it's at best second-hand knowledge (you personally know the person who Divinity spoke to), or most likely third-hand (usually more like 100-handed) knowledge.
Have you ever played the game of "Telephone"? People line up, and a message is whispered to the first person in the line, who whispers it to the second person, who whispers it to the third, and so on until the last person gets the message. They then say the message that they got and everybody laughs at how the simple message got completely mangled to the point of being unrecognizable.
Now, add to this process the following and shake, not stir: What century was it written in? What language was it in? How many translations has it gone through since then? How likely is it that there were words and phrases that did not translate literally, and the translator had to make an approximation across the languages? How many cultural differences go unstated that are not accounted for in translations? How many political or other agendas were able to influence the translations to sound more like the positions that they advocated?
As you can see, there are many issues that can take what could have been straight from Divinity and changed, confused or corrupted it on its way to the version you see today.
And we still haven't addressed the issues as to whether the person who originally said they heard it wrote it down correctly. Have you ever tried to write down what happened in a dream after you woke up? Have you ever had difficulty expressing a significant personal experience using nothing but words?
And then there is the most basic question of if they actually did receive a message from Divinity or not. Could they have just made it up? Were they trying to impress someone, become famous, influence people? Under the influence of a mind-altering substance? Suffered from a mental illness?
Do you know people who you trust who have told you important things that turned out not to be true?
Unless you personally experienced it, you have no unquestionable basis to believe it. And all of the other rules here also apply to why you should believe what someone else says is true.
9) Someone I trust told me it is True, so it must be Right!
Why do they believe it is True? Is their reason covered by one or more of the above explanations? If so, there is no rational reason to accept it as True based on those reasons.
10) Science agrees with me, so it must be Right!
Science is not always right. Periodically a new discovery is made that invalidates entire bodies of knowledge and creates new ones. Many scientific "facts" are discovered to be incorrect as new information is learned.
While this foundation provides the best rational platform for a system of beliefs, it does not "prove" it is right. There could always be a new scientific revelation that could end up proving it is wrong after all.
Additionally, there are lots of things that science admits that it still doesn't understand. Every so often, someone comes along and discovers a new aspect of how things work, and it can cause an explosion in new knowledge that builds upon this new foundation.
Nothing is absolute in science, despite the wishes of the scientists.
If you are a logic-based person, this is probably the only rationally valid reason to prefer one belief system over another. But remember that it is not absolute, and will not be a valid rationale for an emotionally-based person.
11) It Just Feels True for Me, so it must be Right!
If you are an emotionally-based person, this is probably the only valid reason to prefer one belief system over another. In your gut or your heart, it just feels right.
But remember that you based your beliefs based on your PERSONAL feelings. If another person chooses a different belief system based on THEIR OWN PERSONAL feelings, you can not logically discount their choice but assert that your own is Real when you both selected your beliefs based on the exact same criteria.
Therefore, religious choices chosen in this way can only be a PERSONAL choice for you and you alone, because only you can experience the emotional foundation of your beliefs.
In Conclusion...
I hope this helped to illustrate that there is no magic reason that anyone's belief system is right or wrong. It is, at best, a personal decision as to what criteria you use to find your spiritual path through life.
Most importantly, there is no way that you can make a logical case that your belief system is "more right" than anybody else's.
Therefore, please treat everyone with respect and courtesy when discussing your beliefs or theirs. If you try to find the core principles that guide most religions, you will find that they all share many similarities, and there is room in the world for all of them.
Blessed Be,
- Brian Gallagher
 

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Kaonashi said:
Any thoughts on the article?
I think it's flawed logic to say that there's more than one true path because if one path is true for one person and false for another it is not really true. What you're saying is nothing is true and nothing is false and that just doesn't make sense. If one path is true by the process of elimination all other paths have to be false. In other wordss if A=A. A doesn't = B unless A=B to begin with.
 
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Motus said:
That's if all paths lead to the same goal, which they don't.

But that is what I see as the premise of the OP - that the goal is so big that most paths won´t be able to miss it.

I understand that you believe differently, but even you do have a certain leeway in your path. Consider: you do not believe exactly the same as your neighbor, you differ in some interpretations, no matter how small and irrelevant they may seem.

Your path is not his path.

So what are you to do? State that you (and the handfull of people in the whole of Christendom that believe exactly the same as you) are the only one on the true path?
 
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Motus said:
That's if all paths lead to the same goal, which they don't.


I have to disagree. If you look at it, nearly all religious beliefs have one goal in common. The betterment of your spritiual self.

Just my two cents
 
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I got shot down in another post for saying kinda the same thing....

I don't think anyone has figured it all out yet. The path I choose is right for me, It makes me feel at peace, and it always is keeping me happy..It helps me become a better person too, and thats whats really important to me. Tho I feel this way, that wont stop me from looking at other paths and saying "Hey, thats a good idea!".
 
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Myah said:
I have to disagree. If you look at it, nearly all religious beliefs have one goal in common. The betterment of your spritiual self.

Just my two cents

I tend to agree. In the article, there's a very good analogy, having the Truth of God as the world, and each religion as a backyard. You see your backyard, and it's part of the world, but you can't see the whole world.

I just want to add to the article that God, being So Generous, Spread parts of His Truth for various religions, doctrines, places. Because He knows we're not the same, that we will answer to different ways, different packages of the same message.

So, we follow His Law according our own heart, reason, pace, understandment.
And, in the end, we'll all be together.
 
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markie said:
I think it's flawed logic to say that there's more than one true path because if one path is true for one person and false for another it is not really true. What you're saying is nothing is true and nothing is false and that just doesn't make sense. If one path is true by the process of elimination all other paths have to be false. In other wordss if A=A. A doesn't = B unless A=B to begin with.
Why can't something be true for two people when two people have different outlooks.. Say youre walking on the road with a friend, and the road seperates into two paths, but they both lead to the same endpoint(you can't deny that some paths have a meeting point). Something about one of the paths draws you to it, and you want to follow it. Now your friend sees beauty in the other path that you might not have seen, so he/she, goes and follows that path. Are you gonna tell your friend hes wrong for it?

I choose that path less traveled by, and that has made all the difference. :)
 
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Freodin said:
But that is what I see as the premise of the OP - that the goal is so big that most paths won´t be able to miss it.

I understand that you believe differently, but even you do have a certain leeway in your path. Consider: you do not believe exactly the same as your neighbor, you differ in some interpretations, no matter how small and irrelevant they may seem.
I'm not saying each path leads to a different destination, just that not all paths lead to the same one. There's a goal of spiritual betterment, and a goal of destruction. Many religions, including Christianity agree on that. It doesn't make sense for someone to have their own religion where they have to kill a child every week in the name of Hell, and say they are on their way to spiritual betterment.
 
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coyoteBR said:
So, we follow His Law according our own heart, reason, pace, understandment.
And, in the end, we'll all be together.
So what about people who purposefully don't follow what they consider His Law? If there is only One True Path, they'll end up with the rest of us anyway. Why bother having any morals at all?
 
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I agree with the article where it says:

"If you try to find the core principles that guide most religions, you will find that they all share many similarities, and there is room in the world for all of them."

In my faith we recognize that all the major religions are from the same Source and that over time they are in essence the "same religion" only expressed at different times and for various circumstances... So once you account for the cultural and linquistic variations the religions have a central spiritual core...

We could say if we consider the spiritual essence the religions, they are very much alike one another. The devotees also of the various religions have similar goals and objectives in life...We all want to live in peace and build a foundation for a better world.

- Art
 
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Arthra said:
We could say if we consider the spiritual essence the religions, they are very much alike one another. The devotees also of the various religions have similar goals and objectives in life...We all want to live in peace and build a foundation for a better world.

- Art
Those are just the religions that teach people to live in peace and harmony. Some religions don't teach that. Don't you think if everyone followed a religion that taught to live in peace and harmony, there would be no wars? Then why do we have them? If everyone is right, then why is the world so wrong??
 
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Motus said:
Those are just the religions that teach people to live in peace and harmony. Some religions don't teach that. Don't you think if everyone followed a religion that taught to live in peace and harmony, there would be no wars? Then why do we have them? If everyone is right, then why is the world so wrong??
It's because people not only think they are right for themselves, they also think they are right for everyone. If we could all just let everyones points be at least VALID, and realize religion is also part of culture, and not just some one group of people got a message from the skies.

If your religion has a god or a goddess, or a spirits or all of these, in the end even if you do good things for your faith, I still think these things should also be done for the best of humanity.
 
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Motus said:
Those are just the religions that teach people to live in peace and harmony. Some religions don't teach that. Don't you think if everyone followed a religion that taught to live in peace and harmony, there would be no wars? Then why do we have them? If everyone is right, then why is the world so wrong??


Thanks Motus for your question...

In my studies over the years I've found that most all the major religions teach people to live in peace and harmony...

Guess what i discovered in my Inter-Fath work in the past three years or so?

That Christians, Jews, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians all want peaceful, quiet communities to raise and educate their children and teach them good and wholesome values.

Why are there wars?

I think one cause of wars is that there are unscrupulous people who try to capitalize on the fears of their fellow man and they profit from armaments and security systems and such... They thrive from the insecurity and fear of others.

But when studied in depth the great religions teach us all how to live in peace and brotherhood.... So when this knowledge becomes more prevalent and the Jew, Christian and Moslem realize this ...they will be less inclined to war

When we come together in our community there is great mutual support for wholesome religious values.

See the following site:

http://www.religionsforpeace.org/assemblies/arinze.html

- Art :wave:
 
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Motus said:
So what about people who purposefully don't follow what they consider His Law? If there is only One True Path, they'll end up with the rest of us anyway. Why bother having any morals at all?

I am sorry, Motus, I didn't made myself clear.
I don't think there's One patch. As I see it, there's one Law and one end.
Some learn faster, others slowly.

So, if someone on purpose go against the Law of Love, against his conscience, ... well, such person is loosing an oportunity and making things much more difficult to himself.

Like an employee caught stealing something from the shop she works. She will be fired, and probably will have a hard time finding another job.
But that does not mean she will never work again, right?
And, probably, after finding the new job, she will do everything to keep it, if she learned a lesson of how hard is to be jobless.

So, One Law, One End. Infinite patches.
 
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Kaonashi said:
The Flawed Logic of "The One True Path"
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Matthew 7
13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bib...age=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on
 
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firefromheaven said:
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Matthew 7
13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bib...age=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on

Hm, fire, I am glad you find your way to follow the Law of God and Jesus. Congratulations, and keep on this patch.

However, like people are saying here, such way may be not the most easily understood for everybody. So, again, same law, same end, different patches.

Didn't our Master Jesus also said that everybody that cloth the naked and feed the hunger was doing that to Him?

And that what we are supposed to do Is to Love God and Love our neighbours like ourselves?

And, read my signature
There's tons of ways to do these things, fire. Let each one find the way God speaks higher on their heart and reason.

Peace of Christ
 
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coyoteBR said:
Hm, fire, I am glad you find your way to follow the Law of God and Jesus. Congratulations, and keep on this patch.

However, like people are saying here, such way may be not the most easily understood for everybody. So, again, same law, same end, different patches.

Didn't our Master Jesus also said that everybody that cloth the naked and feed the hunger was doing that to Him?

And that what we are supposed to do Is to Love God and Love our neighbours like ourselves?

And, read my signature
There's tons of ways to do these things, fire. Let each one find the way God speaks higher on their heart and reason.

Peace of Christ


What I was saying is that Jesus said He is the way. My way or your way is not His way. The bible gives directions on how to get to heaven. If I want to go to heaven I have to follow His/Jesus's directions and not mine or anyone elses. There are millions of people out there that have different ways that they think is the right way but the bible says the Jesus said he is the way the truth the life. That's all I was saying. I even do things wrong and get corrected by God that what I'm doing isn't His way. He corrects me then I stop doing what He said I was doing wrong and start doing what He says to do. Then I'm on the right road again, the narrow road that leads to life.It 's not even my opinion because the bible says in : Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus did say to feed the poor and clothe the hungry and if you did those things you did them unto Him. He also said this below:

Mat 25
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Jn 10
1"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. 3The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."
6Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
7Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
 
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