The Final Solution

[bhsmte]

Actually, more people would have likely died if we hadn't dropped the bombs, given that Japan was so resistant to surrender that common citizens were being told to arm themselves however they could and fight back rather than surrender. It was estimated that a naval and carpet bombing tactic would extend the war 2-3 years, and more than double the casualties on both sides.

I believe they predicted, to invade Japan, would have cost well over an additional 1 million lives, vs dropping the bombs.

So, it could be said, Einstein saved lives.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Actually, more people would have likely died if we hadn't dropped the bombs, given that Japan was so resistant to surrender that common citizens were being told to arm themselves however they could and fight back rather than surrender. It was estimated that a naval and carpet bombing tactic would extend the war 2-3 years, and more than double the casualties on both sides.

Operation Downfall. It would have been carried out with the use of 7 atomic bombs, multiple fire bombing campaigns alongside use of chemical and biological weapons along with massed bombardment from naval guns and rockets.

Several hundred thousand (possibly millions) casualties vs 130,000 people. Sounds like the lesser of two evils to me.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Off topic.

Open another thread.

Why are you afraid to address the issue that we still have the exact same problem today? Would you have done something to help the Jewish people if you were alive. Or would you stand by and do nothing and allow Nazi Germany to carry through with the final solution?

 

[bhsmte]

Why are you afraid to address the issue that we still have the exact same problem today? Would you have done something to help the Jewish people if you were alive. Or would you stand by and do nothing and allow Nazi Germany to carry through with the final solution?

Open another thread.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Why are you afraid to address the issue that we still have the exact same problem today? Would you have done something to help the Jewish people if you were alive. Or would you stand by and do nothing and allow Nazi Germany to carry through with the final solution?

Whether or not we would has nothing to do with evolution.

I would help others as much as I could to the extent that would not endanger myself or my family. So, I wouldn't be hiding people in my house, but I might direct them to someone who would, and tell them what places to avoid.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Why are you afraid to address the issue that we still have the exact same problem today? Would you have done something to help the Jewish people if you were alive. Or would you stand by and do nothing and allow Nazi Germany to carry through with the final solution?

It's not the same situation. It's nowhere near comparable. Stop posting non-sequiturs.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Whether or not we would has nothing to do with evolution.

The subject of this thread is not evolution. It is the final solution. We were just trying to determine if there was a link between the final solution and Darwin's theory. Some say yes, some say no.

I would help others as much as I could to the extent that would not endanger myself or my family. So, I wouldn't be hiding people in my house, but I might direct them to someone who would, and tell them what places to avoid.

Reminds me of Corrie Tan Boon. When her sister died in the Concentration camp the nurse called Corrie to give her final respects. Her sister looked beautiful, better then she had look in a long time. She was at peace and she had escaped the pain and the misery that filled their lives in the death camp. I have seen pictures of people who die like that. The believers look like beautiful porcelain dolls. They die in peace. Yet others have a look of terror on their face trying to avoid death.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The subject of this thread is not evolution. It is the final solution. We were just trying to determine if there was a link between the final solution and Darwin's theory. Some say yes, some say no.

You have continually tried to link the 'Final Solution' to the theory of evolution. You're back-pedalling.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The subject of this thread is not evolution. It is the final solution. We were just trying to determine if there was a link between the final solution and Darwin's theory. Some say yes, some say no.

Reminds me of Corrie Tan Boon. When her sister died in the Concentration camp the nurse called Corrie to give her final respects. Her sister looked beautiful, better then she had look in a long time. She was at peace and she had escaped the pain and the misery that filled their lives in the death camp. I have seen pictures of people who die like that. The believers look like beautiful porcelain dolls. They die in peace. Yet others have a look of terror on their face trying to avoid death.

Less of a link than between the Inquisition and Christianity. People hurt each other, what excuses they use are more a matter of what they can use than what was intended to be used that way.

Peacefully accepting death has more to do with personality than religion. A high percentage of people die kicking and screaming, so to speak, than a percentage of atheists exists.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It's not the same situation. It's nowhere near comparable. Stop posting non-sequiturs.

A refugee is a refugee. You say you would not support Hitler in his final solution, then what are you doing today about the refugee problem? What actions are you talking to alleviate the pain, misery and suffering of others? The world does not like the "final solution" but is the world all that different today then it was back during WW2? Are we doing anything different then the German people who did nothing to stop the Third Reich?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

A refugee is a refugee. You say you would not support Hitler in his final solution, then what are you doing today about the refugee problem? What actions are you talking to alleviate the pain, misery and suffering of others? The world does not like the "final solution" but is the world all that different today then it was back during WW2? Are we doing anything different then the German people who did nothing to stop the Third Reich?

Red-herring.
In your OP, you tried to link Hitler's view of the Final Solution to Darwin's theory of evolution via natural selection. You have CONTINUALLY tried to link evolution to racism, and the fact that you have tried to segue in the current refugee crisis (which is off-topic) in to the thread shows that you just panicking.
I'm not going to give my opinion on the crisis since it would be off topic.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I think it is better to quickly give the opinion, and try to get the subject back on track in the same post.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I think it is better to quickly give the opinion, and try to get the subject back on track in the same post.

I hold serious doubts it would.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Less of a link than between the Inquisition and Christianity.

Catholics call themselves Christians and that is fine. Still most Christians are reformed or protestant so that they are not in agreement with the Catholic church. That would make Christians the victims not the perpetrators. The Catholics do defend themselves, there is plenty of information on line about this.

This is like a maid that gets raped and the wife comes along and beats her because she is to blame for allowing the male to having his way with her. There are Christian martyrs that rejoiced that they were counted as worthy to suffer shame for the name of Jesus. But I clearly represent the martyrs, so I do not appreciate the Inquisition being refereed to as Christian.

We are told the let the weeds and the tares grow together. So it is difficult to know who really is a Christian. We have the Holy Spirit to guide and lead us in the way of the truth. "For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." If it were possible even the elect would be deceived. It is not possible because we have the Holy Spirit of truth to keep us from being deceived.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Catholics call themselves Christians and that is fine. Still most Christians are reformed or protestant so that they are not in agreement with the Catholic church. That would make Christians the victims not the perpetrators. The Catholics do defend themselves, there is plenty of information on line about this.

This is like a maid that gets raped and the wife comes along and beats her because she is to blame for allowing the male to having his way with her. There are Christian martyrs that rejoiced that they were counted as worthy to suffer shame for the name of Jesus. But I clearly represent the martyrs, so I do not appreciate the Inquisition being refereed to as Christian.

We are told the let the weeds and the tares grow together. So it is difficult to know who really is a Christian. We have the Holy Spirit to guide and lead us in the way of the truth. "For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." If it were possible even the elect would be deceived. It is not possible because we have the Holy Spirit of truth to keep us from being deceived.

I dislike that you think you can count yourself as anything but a weed if you think you get to say what qualifies as a weed or a tare while you are at an allegorical plant's perspective. It isn't your place to say that anyone directly involved in or approving of the Inquisition was less of a Christian than you are.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Red-herring. In your OP, you tried to link Hitler's view of the Final Solution to Darwin's theory of evolution via natural selection. You have CONTINUALLY tried to link evolution to racism, and the fact that you have tried to segue in the current refugee crisis (which is off-topic) in to the thread shows that you just panicking. I'm not going to give my opinion on the crisis since it would be off topic.

So your position then is to do nothing to stop Hitler with his final solution. There is no laissez-faire attitude you are either for God and the people of God or you are against God and the people of God. If you are willing to do NOTHING to stop it then that is the same a supporting it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I dislike that you think you can count yourself as anything but a weed if you think you get to say what qualifies as a weed or a tare while you are at an allegorical plant's perspective. It isn't your place to say that anyone directly involved in or approving of the Inquisition was less of a Christian than you are.

I am a descendant of one of Bloody Mary's "victoms", so I know where I stand. I am also a descendant of Pilgrims that came to this country to escape religious persecution. Now you want me to defend the people that were persecuting us?

 

[PsychoSarah]

So your position then is to do nothing to stop Hitler with his final solution. There is no laissez-faire attitude you are either for God and the people of God or you are against God and the people of God. If you are willing to do NOTHING to stop it then that is the same a supporting it.

No, his position is that he refuses to answer a question that derails the thread, in his opinion.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I am a descendant of one of Bloody Mary's "victoms", so I know where I stand.

What would that have to do with anything, evolution or religion-wise?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So your position then is to do nothing to stop Hitler with his final solution. There is no laissez-faire attitude you are either for God and the people of God or you are against God and the people of God. If you are willing to do NOTHING to stop it then that is the same a supporting it.

You're putting words in my mouth.
The situation of the Final Solution, an attempt by the Nazi government of the Third Reich, is not the same as that faced by the Syrian refugees, people fleeing countries torn apart by religiously or political motivated civil war. THEY AREN'T COMPARABLE!
Personally, I think more should be done to stop the groups fighting in the Middle East instead of just letting refugees in to Western countries. Letting them in does nothing to stop the violence.

If you want to talk, go back to your original post's topic of your attempt to link the Final Solution to Darwin's theory of evolution via natural selection.