the final message is a call to come out of Babylon

[ricker]

In 1888 a bill was introduced in the United States to enforce Sunday worship. In one instance an attempt was made to prosecute every male member of a church in Springville, Tennessee.

SDA's believe such laws will be return in the future, and become worldwide.


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Marc

Thank you, I think you may have been exagerating a little when you said "in recent times", but I suppose all things are relative, right?

The incident cited of course happened during Mrs. White's lifetime and this and other events happening at the time I'm sure influenced her doomsday predictions regarding the Adventist church. Thankfully, the history of the last 124 years have showed the definite trend of "blue" laws becoming increasingly obsolete.

That said you are certainly free to believe in her predictions. Be assured that I believe in religious freedom for all, including my brothers and sisters in Christ belonging to the SDA church!

 

[mrasell]

Thank you, I think you may have been exagerating a little when you said "in recent times", but I suppose all things are relative, right?

The incident cited of course happened during Mrs. White's lifetime and this and other events happening at the time I'm sure influenced her doomsday predictions regarding the Adventist church. Thankfully, the history of the last 124 years have showed the definite trend of "blue" laws becoming increasingly obsolete.

That said you are certainly free to believe in her predictions. Be assured that I believe in religious freedom for all, including my brothers and sisters in Christ belonging to the SDA church!

The belief in the Sunday law does not reply upon Ellen White, but is found in the book of Revelation, where a civil law is enacted that involves the way people worship. And those who don't accept this law are those who keep God's commandments (Rev. 14:12), and they proclaim that God is the Creator (Rev. 14:7), and that God's judgement hour "has come".

Our understanding of prophecy is that the beast which comes out of the sea equates to the little horn of Daniel, as they share the same characteristics and time frame for persecution of the saints (1260 years), a blasphemous power.

We understand this to be the Papacy, and the special time of persecution from 538-1798 AD. However, the fatal wound will be healed. And the beast which rises from the earth around this time (USA) will form an image to the beast. In essence the USA will change, speak like a dragon, repudiate the principles of liberty and persecute others using civil power.

Marc

 

[stinsonmarri]

The belief in the Sunday law does not reply upon Ellen White, but is found in the book of Revelation, where a civil law is enacted that involves the way people worship. And those who don't accept this law are those who keep God's commandments (Rev. 14:12), and they proclaim that God is the Creator (Rev. 14:7), and that God's judgement hour "has come".

Our understanding of prophecy is that the beast which comes out of the sea equates to the little horn of Daniel, as they share the same characteristics and time frame for persecution of the saints (1260 years), a blasphemous power.

We understand this to be the Papacy, and the special time of persecution from 538-1798 AD. However, the fatal wound will be healed. And the beast which rises from the earth around this time (USA) will form an image to the beast. In essence the USA will change, speak like a dragon, repudiate the principles of liberty and persecute others using civil power.

Marc

Marc

Sunday is not the mark or image to the beast where on earth do we think that? Why do so many of you believe that Christians are going to rule the day? They will not immorality will rule more and more. The Republican party will fall or the Christians will leave because they want to force their belief on all who lives in USA. It will not happen as the Bible says very clearly. This country never started with religious principles but the freedom from it to worship or not to worship as you please. Look at all of the monuments, drawings, symbols, and buildings in Washington! They are based on ancient religious beliefs of the past like Egypt, Greece and Rome also astrology. Washington, Jefferson and Ben were Masons, free thinkers known as Gnostic, philosophers and scientist. They studied the stars and planets and believed space travelers from other planets have visited here. This country does not believe in ELOHIM science like those in the days of Noah. They believe that the earth is billions of years old but will not accept a worldwide flood that aged the earth to appear older.

Men and women today want to shack up, sleep around, marry for a while divorce and marry again and again again, be gay or bisexual, gay people want to marry and heterosexual want to have oral sex, youth are out of control. My grandchildren tell me that girls have sex with each on the bus in the bathroom and they don't care. They said girls want girls and boys want boys-go figure. More people are being killed in large numbers today all over this country. You can't even go to the movies or the mall today without a bullet jacket or helmet on your head. Worrying about the Arabs, better not it might be an actual American that does not have middle eastern blood at all. Drugs are being legalized more and more in the State so don't blame Obama. Eating, obesity is out of control. Mental illness is out of control, now a woman has a certain type of rape-what? White men want to control women bodies-not in this life time. Romney was a joke and the Mormons feel that they are gods and will take over America and eventually this planet. Their god daddy had Satan and Jesus and he come from the Planet called Knob and they hate black people really they do. Black folks are curse and they are the last to be accepted by their god daddy. Go figure how Gladys Knight is in this religion I can't even my sister was until I show her the truth! She was brought up as a SDA but has been all over the place. All these things which are against ELOHIM like Sodom. The Bible never says that any form of believing in HIM will not be the rule of the day but the exact opposite.

So where does that leave the Catholic, Protestants and the Evangelicals and Japheth Jews? Well the Bible said leave the "holy city" for the "Gentiles"- Japheth seed who took Shem's descendants places as the Jews in Israel. It appears they are preparing to be rapture there by Satan. He can do that you know! This country will be in the hands of the false prophet of the beast and his allegiance is with Satan. He wants nothing at all to do with ELOHIM! Watch what happens to the Republican Party and the protection of Israel. Also the Arab spring is very important they are killing each other. These Arab nations are going to fall and Islam will die out "to prepare the way for the kings of the east." These next four years I urge all to prepare for a war get ready it is coming but not the way you all are thinking. Study, watch, pray because if YASHUA don't come even the elect will almost be deceive!!!!!!

Blessings study Revelation and Daniel together and pray,
stinsonmarri

 

[ricker]

The belief in the Sunday law does not reply upon Ellen White, but is found in the book of Revelation, where a civil law is enacted that involves the way people worship. And those who don't accept this law are those who keep God's commandments (Rev. 14:12), and they proclaim that God is the Creator (Rev. 14:7), and that God's judgement hour "has come".

Our understanding of prophecy is that the beast which comes out of the sea equates to the little horn of Daniel, as they share the same characteristics and time frame for persecution of the saints (1260 years), a blasphemous power.

We understand this to be the Papacy, and the special time of persecution from 538-1798 AD. However, the fatal wound will be healed. And the beast which rises from the earth around this time (USA) will form an image to the beast. In essence the USA will change, speak like a dragon, repudiate the principles of liberty and persecute others using civil power.

Marc

I understand Rev 13 saying one of the seven heads had a fatal wound that was healed. What happened to the other six heads that weren't fatally wounded? Who were they? Apparently they all existed at the same time. How many horns did the one head that was wounded have? Apparently there were 10 horns on seven heads, leaving some to have more than the others. Did your supposed papacy head have one horn or more than that? That could make a difference considering there were ten crowns per horn and you haven't explained what they were to me yet.

Enlighten me.

The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed.

 

[mrasell]

I understand Rev 13 saying one of the seven heads had a fatal wound that was healed. What happened to the other six heads that weren't fatally wounded? Who were they? Apparently they all existed at the same time. How many horns did the one head that was wounded have? Apparently there were 10 horns on seven heads, leaving some to have more than the others. Did your supposed papacy head have one horn or more than that? That could make a difference considering there were ten crowns per horn and you haven't explained what they were to me yet.

Enlighten me.

More details about the heads are given in Revelation 17:
"And they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is of the seven, and he goes to destruction."

Have a look at this document:
http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/Releases/Release 1.pdf

Summary
We suggest that: (1) The seven heads of the beast seem to represent kingdoms rather than individual kings. These kingdoms are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the papacy. (2) The beasts in Rev 12, 13, and 17 do not exactly represent the same power. The beast of Rev 17 is Satan working through political powers. He is active throughout human history. (3) The phases of the beast and the subdivision of the heads are not directly parallel. Whereas the phases of the beast represent historical time, the time during the millennium, and the time after the millennium, the heads must all be placed in historical time. The sixth head seems already to refer to John’s time, that is, the first century A.D.

Marc

 

[mrasell]

Sunday is not the mark or image to the beast where on earth do we think that?

Because the papacy has claimed by its own authority to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, therefore it is a mark of its authority, and to accept such a claim when the Sunday law has been enforced will be to accept that the Pope is greater than God, the Creator, hence to worship the beast.

The Sabbath is the seal of God, those who keep it show they belong to God the Creator. But there is more to it, those who keep the Sabbath, God has pledged to make holy. Whereas those who receive the mark of the beast belong to the beast and become like the beast, they also blapheme and persecute the saints.

I've gone into this in more detail in my book, "the mark of the beast and the seal of God"

Marc

 

[stinsonmarri]

Because the papacy has claimed by its own authority to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, therefore it is a mark of its authority, and to accept such a claim when the Sunday law has been enforced will be to accept that the Pope is greater than God, the Creator, hence to worship the beast.

The Sabbath is the seal of God, those who keep it show they belong to God the Creator. But there is more to it, those who keep the Sabbath, God has pledged to make holy. Whereas those who receive the mark of the beast belong to the beast and become like the beast, they also blapheme and persecute the saints.

I've gone into this in more detail in my book, "the mark of the beast and the seal of God"

Marc

Just find in it the Bible, please do not tell me about a book. Just prove it from the Word of ELOHIM. A mark is what someone do like a tatoo and that is not a day! When I use to club they would stamp my hand and look on it for me to get in. It is not a day, now where in any Bible does Sunday or Sabbath be the focal point. It is breaking all the Commands of ELOHIM not just one. Besides Sunday you can even buy alcohol now and do as you please. In the last day will be like the days of Noah- marrying a lot and taking others wives, violence, murder. Like the day of Sodom, over eating, homosexual acts which include oral sex for the so call straight folks it is not natural also. I did not hear or read anywhere by YAHSHUA about Sunday if so show me! It not only the Sabbath that shows you belong to ELOHIM! Where on earth in the Bible have you people read that? The remnant of ELOHIM will keep all the Commandments and have the Testimony namely the Spirit of Prophecy of YAHSHUA, that is what I read. Rev 12:17 Finally the last chapter of the Bible says that all who enter into the New Jerusalem will keep all of the Commandment and not only the Sabbath. SDA many of you are stuck in the mud on one Commandment and do not realize that all must be obeyed. Most of the SDA don't actually keep the Sabbath as they should and that is because they have deserted the other ones dealing with ELOHIM!

The Sabbath is the Seal of all of ELOHIM'S people of all ages. The angel with the writer's ink horn sealed Adam and Eve and the 144,000 and the great multitude are the last ones. Rev 6 and 7 The seal is our changed character allowing the Righteousness of YAHSHUA to rule in our lives. It is the renewing of the mind.

You have not read Daniel or Revelation because the beast and the ten kings hate the harlot. Who is the harlot the Papacy and her followers. When probation closes after the 42 months, 1260 days or literally 3 1/2 years, the beast will rule for two month that the 1290 days. During that time the saints according to the Bible will have scatter because they have finish the gospel and the great multitude have been sealed. They all are scatter in safe place or some will be jailed. But the Pope and the beast will bump heads and the final earthly war will break out and only the beast folks will have a mark to buy or sell, not the papacy. The saints are fed bread and water by ELOHIM where ever they are. But the Papacy/harlot is locked down in Babylon known as Jerusalem who have killed ELOHIM prophets and many have joined with her rule. She is destroyed by the false prophet USA all the so call Christians have fled to Jerusalem. The city and the papacy is destroyed and it was done by the beast/man through the plan of ELOHIM. Read Rev 11, 13, 16, 17, 18

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[Martinman]

At the end of time there will be a literal Babylon. It will consist of all religions and a global government. It will be a global power which will make and enforce laws contrary to God's Laws. The 144,000 will preach the gospel and the three angels message for the last time to all people, nations, cultures.

God will choose 144,000 people from the 12 tribes of spiritual Israel. Because Israel failed, The Catholic Church failed, the Protestant Church has failed -- God will choose His own select group of people to give the final message to the people of earth.

The Adventist Church has also failed. Scripture does not support that the Seventh Day Adventist Church is the last and final denomination that will rise above all others with all of God's truth. God will select and empower His own group of people, made up of people from all faiths. This group of 144,000 will gather the final remnant of God's people and warn them to get out of Babylon and not obey its laws.

YSIC,
MidnightCry

That is about right, exactly how I believe.

 

[MidnightCry]

I understand Rev 13 saying one of the seven heads had a fatal wound that was healed. What happened to the other six heads that weren't fatally wounded? Who were they? Apparently they all existed at the same time. How many horns did the one head that was wounded have? Apparently there were 10 horns on seven heads, leaving some to have more than the others. Did your supposed papacy head have one horn or more than that? That could make a difference considering there were ten crowns per horn and you haven't explained what they were to me yet.

Enlighten me.

Well, well this is certainly getting interesting. I like your questions. Lets take a look at some of them.

The seven heads on the composite beast represent the seven religious systems of the world: Atheism, Heathenism, Judaism, Eastern Mysticism, Islam, Catholicism, and Protestantism. The blasphemous name associated with each head indicates that each head (each religious system) is anti-Christ. This means that each religious system is opposed to the sovereign authority and demands of Jesus Christ.

Look at Revelation 12:3, it tells you that seven diadems (crowns of authority) rested on the seven heads, but in Revelation 13 the beast is wearing the diadems on the ten horns. What does this tell us? It means there is a change in persecuting authority. For 1,260 years, religious authorities persecuted the woman. During the Great Tribulation, civil authorities will persecute the remnant of the woman. Babylon will operate as a church state. The seven heads represent the church side of Babylon and the ten horns represent the state side of Babylon.

When Babylon is created, the composite beast will function as a global church state. The religious leaders of Babylon will make demands and the civil authorities in each nation will carry them out.


YSIC,
MidnightCry