the final deception and its antidote

[mrasell]

I've recently authored a book about the dangers of spiritualism which shows how the three angels message is a perfect antidote to this deception.

The Apostle Paul outlined a final apostasy in the latter days which will involve a counterfeit gospel, and the workings of spiritualism. This teaching although promising many things leads to darkness, rebellion against God, delusion, apostasy and finally destruction. However, there is an antidote which affirms everything which the counterfeit denies.
(For more info see Adventist Enterprises - Home)

 

[Cribstyl]

I've recently authored a book about the dangers of spiritualism which shows how the three angels message is a perfect antidote to this deception.

The Apostle Paul outlined a final apostasy in the latter days which will involve a counterfeit gospel, and the workings of spiritualism. This teaching although promising many things leads to darkness, rebellion against God, delusion, apostasy and finally destruction. However, there is an antidote which affirms everything which the counterfeit denies.
(For more info see Adventist Enterprises - Home)

With all due respects;
What is the true gospel? Where can we find it written in the scriptures?

 

[Stryder06]

With all due respects;
What is the true gospel? Where can we find it written in the scriptures?

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

With all due respects;
What is the true gospel? Where can we find it written in the scriptures?

It begins in Genesis 1:1 and ends at Revelation 22:21....

 

[mrasell]

With all due respects;
What is the true gospel? Where can we find it written in the scriptures?

without the law there would be no gospel
no law = no sin = no need of a saviour

How could Christ save us from sin if there was no sin?
1 John 3:4 sin is transgression of the law

 

[Cribstyl]

These 3 responses above does not answer the 2 basic questions I asked.

My questions was relavant since the OP made implications about a counterfeit gospel.

What is the reason for trying to complicate simple communications?

 

[Stryder06]

These 3 responses above does not answer the 2 basic questions I asked.

My questions was relavant since the OP made implications about a counterfeit gospel.

What is the reason for trying to complicate simple communications?

They do too. You asked what the gospel was and where we could find it in the scripture. You were given three examples of where to find the gospel and what it is.

 

[Cribstyl]

without the law there would be no gospel
no law = no sin = no need of a saviour

How could Christ save us from sin if there was no sin?
1 John 3:4 sin is transgression of the law

Not sure why you raised these issue at this time. Are you explaining that the law is part of the gospel without showing scriptures to prove that is is?
Do the other protestant churches teach a conterfiet gospel?
Why cant we outline what Paul wrote and taught to settle facts?
Why cant we outline what Peter wrote and taught ?
Why cant we outline what Luke wrote and taught?
Why dodge reasonable study showing what is declare as the true the deception?
Is the gospel limmited to the 3Angels message as taken from Revelation?

 

[Cribstyl]

They do too. You asked what the gospel was and where we could find it in the scripture. You were given three examples of where to find the gospel and what it is.

I dont espect you,K4c or ECR to be reasonable by sitting on the witness chair for some direct question about this OP topic. So, you'll continue to act as if people are attacking your beliefs by you getting upset when questions are asked. You'll run off without directly answering and ECR will try to kick me out of the forum as usual. You guys are unreasonable from the opening bell of any discussion I'm involved in.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

...ECR will try to kick me out of the forum as usual.

Crib, don't exaggerate. When have I tried to kick you out of the forum.... just that statement in and of itself is obsurd. This would inply that I somehow have power to grant or deny access to the forums.

I have asked you why you continue to come here being so opposed to our beliefs... if that is what you are trying to spin into a false witness against me, then that's your problem.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Do the other protestant churches teach a conterfiet gospel?

Have you ever considered that the other protestant churches are the ones who have it wrong?

If you truly believe that Adventists are teaching a false message, I would be more concerned with your own household than trying to 'convert' us to your truth.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Why cant we outline what Paul wrote and taught to settle facts?
Why cant we outline what Peter wrote and taught ?
Why cant we outline what Luke wrote and taught?
Why dodge reasonable study showing what is declare as the true the deception?

Unless the Op wants to engage you in this fruitless exercise you call reasonable study, I don't think anyone else here wants to get on that merry-go-round with you. Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong...

 

[Cribstyl]

Have you ever considered that the other protestant churches are the ones who have it wrong?

If you truly believe that Adventists are teaching a false message, I would be more concerned with your own household than trying to 'convert' us to your truth.

Why jump into other people's conversations that you dont have anything constructive to say? I'm I trying to convert you? I did not seek you for answers ECR. You're imposing yourself only to create division.

I've tried to be open concerning my household and my search for answers as we've discussed in a personal message.

Did I say that SDA was wrong or did I ask what is the gospel?

 

[Cribstyl]

Unless the Op wants to engage you in this fruitless exercise you call reasonable study, I don't think anyone else here wants to get on that merry-go-round with you. Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong...

I chose to engage with the OP, but somehow you have a mission to distort respectful dialogs.
This socalles fruitless exercise exposes what's in your heart ECR.

If you have no real answers for me, why not engage with someonelse?

 

[Cribstyl]

I dont espect you,K4c or ECR to be reasonable by sitting on the witness chair for some direct question about this OP topic. So, you'll continue to act as if people are attacking your beliefs by you getting upset when questions are asked. You'll run off without directly answering and ECR will try to kick me out of the forum as usual. You guys are unreasonable from the opening bell of any discussion I'm involved in.

What unreasonable request did I make?

I'm not a prophet, but I know what to expect from people who are accustomed make false claims about others.
Why should someone be angry if I'm asking for biblical proof?
Why would they turn the table as if you're attacking their belief?
Who is saying that someone is teaching a false gospel?
If the bible has the gospel, then post it or let someone with wisdom lead.

 

[Stryder06]

I dont espect you,K4c or ECR to be reasonable by sitting on the witness chair for some direct question about this OP topic. So, you'll continue to act as if people are attacking your beliefs by you getting upset when questions are asked. You'll run off without directly answering and ECR will try to kick me out of the forum as usual. You guys are unreasonable from the opening bell of any discussion I'm involved in.

I don't get upset when questions are asked. I get upset when answers to said questions are pushed aside and called "commentary". You wanted to know what the gospel was, and it was given to you. If you believe what was shown to you is not the gospel, please explain.

 

[Cribstyl]

With all due respects; (no insults or hatred of SDA, but respects)
What is the true gospel?
Where can we find it written in the scriptures?

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Yes this is an answer but it does not satisfy my understanding of "what is the gospel," or that Rev 14;6-11 is where the gospel is found. This is not a game to me, nor did I persue a response from you.

 

[Cribstyl]

I've recently authored a book about the dangers of spiritualism which shows how the three angels message is a perfect antidote to this deception.

The Apostle Paul outlined a final apostasy in the latter days which will involve a counterfeit gospel, and the workings of spiritualism. This teaching although promising many things leads to darkness, rebellion against God, delusion, apostasy and finally destruction. However, there is an antidote which affirms everything which the counterfeit denies.
(For more info see Adventist Enterprises - Home)

I took the time to read some chapters in your book.
As far as I'm concern my church does not teach lawlessness and it does teach that Jesus Christ is Lord, so I'm not troubled or moved to defend anything. I may be too naive to think that you're talking against most other denominations.
I made no attacks or statements about what SDA believe but some people feel that they can throw stones at me in Jesus name.

My questions about the gospel is to find out from your words exactly "what is the gospel?"

 

[Stryder06]

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Yes this is an answer but it does not satisfy my understanding of "what is the gospel," or that Rev 14;6-11 is where the gospel is found. This is not a game to me, nor did I persue a response from you.

John said that he saw an angel flying that had the "everlasting gospel" then He says what he heard the angel say. What do you mean by "it doesn't satisfy my understanding of what the gospel is"? Are you looking for something particular?

And I agree, this isn't a game. I just don't know how to take your questions seriously considering every time you get an answer you dismiss it as commentary. What are you looking for?

 

[Cribstyl]

John said that he saw an angel flying that had the "everlasting gospel" then He says what he heard the angel say. What do you mean by "it doesn't satisfy my understanding of what the gospel is"? Are you looking for something particular?

And I agree, this isn't a game. I just don't know how to take your questions seriously considering every time you get an answer you dismiss it as commentary. What are you looking for?

What I understand about the gospel is; it's the word that leads the people unto salvation. The gospel is the good news that Jesus commissioned His apostles to teach. If faith is based on hearing and believing in the gospel, should it different from what Jesus and His follows taught plainly?
The "everlasting gospel" is the same words preached by which we're saved.

Here is another writer's account taken from a bible dictionary about the Gospel.

<http://www.blueletterbible.org/Search/Dictionary/viewTopic.cfm?
type=GetTopic&Topic=Gospel&DictList=4#ISBE>