The Feasts of The Lord

[Frogster]

... keep the feast (1 Corinthians)...

which feast is Paul referring to?


Steve

were the gentiles ever given the food laws, sabbath, or festivals?

 

[ByronArn]

the movement that promotes judaism for the churches.

As someone who was in that movement, and still have family and friends ion that movement, let me say

 

[Frogster]

As someone who was in that movement, and still have family and friends ion that movement, let me say

Glad you came out of it.

 

[ByronArn]

Glad you came out of it.

I had to take the long way out, but I got out. From the Messianic faith, I went to Deism then to atheism. It was only my aunt and Grandmother's constant love and prayers (in spite of everyone else in my family, especially those not religious, rejecting me due to my atheism) that I realized just what the love of Christ was like (unconditional). It was then that God drew me back to Himself through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[weariedsoul]

People are welcome to celebrate whatever they want, the shadows, as scripture calls them.

But to me, as children of Abraham, who did not have the feasts, we have something better, and don't need to look to feasts, instead we are to know the risen Christ, so the feasts to me are often compensatory in nature when they are promoted, because those in the messianic movement stress judaism for the churches.


Paul in Galatians said that he thought he wasted his time on them, when they started to observe the jewish calendar, becaus ehe understood in 5:9, that leaven creeps in.

Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.


Paul used Abraham to ward of these things from the churches.

Paul talking about the passover feast. What is paul saying here though? Whats your take on it frogster?

And also what about communion or what is referred to as the lords supper? If we can observe that ritual then why not passover too? Isnt it similar anyway? Especially if its observed to remember Christ and His blood, the blood which is over our doorway protecting us in the same way it did for the Jews in Egypt?


1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

[Frogster]

I had to take the long way out, but I got out. From the Messianic faith, I went to Deism then to atheism. It was only my aunt and Grandmother's constant love and prayers (in spite of everyone else in my family, especially those not religious, rejecting me due to my atheism) that I realized just what the love of Christ was like (unconditional). It was then that God drew me back to Himself through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Awesome testimony, I ahve actually been called a sinner here on the forum, for eating a small aquatic creature, commonly known as shrimp. like in Shrimp Scampi.

 

[Frogster]

Paul talking about the passover feast. What is paul saying here though? Whats your take on it frogster?

And also what about communion or what is referred to as the lords supper? If we can observe that ritual then why not passover too? Isnt it similar anyway? Especially if its observed to remember Christ and His blood, the blood which is over our doorway protecting us in the same way it did for the Jews in Egypt?


1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

then if your're right, why did Paul not want them keeping the feasts?

lets not let a little symbolism in 1 Cor 5, mean we are to keep feasts.

I thought you argued against the Sabbath in the GT section?

 

[Frogster]

Paul talking about the passover feast. What is paul saying here though? Whats your take on it frogster?

And also what about communion or what is referred to as the lords supper? If we can observe that ritual then why not passover too? Isnt it similar anyway? Especially if its observed to remember Christ and His blood, the blood which is over our doorway protecting us in the same way it did for the Jews in Egypt?


1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

were the jewish feasts, food laws, or sabbath, ever given to gentiles?

 

[Frogster]

Heb 10:1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near.

 

[ByronArn]

Awesome testimony, I ahve actually been called a sinner here on the forum, for eating a small aquatic creature, commonly known as shrimp. like in Shrimp Scampi.

Don't forget pepperoni and sausage pizza and/or hot dogs! Lol. I choose to believe Jesus Christ who said that it isn't what guys into the body that makes us unclean, but rather what comes out of our hearts.

 

[PrincessBrideOfChrist]

Christmas and Easter are a result of mixing pagan worship with Christian values to compromise the two and make everyone celebrate at the same time. I choose not to celebrate them. Look up the meaning of the Christmas tree. It's not a Christmas tree at all!

You also forget that we bring the present and future into the feasts because all of them point to Jesus! They are reminders. Atonement seen in light of Jesus's coming is all about the gospel because you see where we were, what Jesus accomplished and where we are now. Tabernacles is about the past, present and future. What God did for the Hebrews in the past, Jesus dwelling with us as a man (which is when we chose to celebrate His birth), the spirit dwelling within us now and God dwelling with us in all His glory in the future. Trumpets is all about Jesus coming back.

There is great fruit to be had looking at the ways of the Jews and seeing how it all works in with the gospel.

We don't want the feasts to take away from the Truth but rather enhance the reality of it. It's like everything. Any good thing can become a distraction from what matters if you take your focus off The Lord.

Our best times in The Lord have been at the feasts. The Spirit really moves and does great things.

 

[PrincessBrideOfChrist]

were the jewish feasts, food laws, or sabbath, ever given to gentiles?

Yes the law was because people were being told to be circumcised but then God told Peter "do not call unclean what I have made clean"
The law I believe was to point out the holiness of God and to convict is of our sinful nature. Then Jesus came and showed us Gods love and mercy.

I don't know if they were told to celebrate the feasts but the food laws were not enforced on them.

 

[PrincessBrideOfChrist]

The Feast of Tabernacles

 

[PrincessBrideOfChrist]

Zechariah 14
New International Version (NIV)
The Lord Comes and Reigns

14 A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.

8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.

9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place. 11 It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.

12 This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.

16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite[c] in the house of the Lord Almighty.

Footnotes:
Zechariah 14:5 Or 5 My mountain valley will be blocked and will extend to Azel. It will be blocked as it was blocked because of the earthquake
Zechariah 14:18 Or part, then the Lord
Zechariah 14:21 Or merchant

 

[jiminpa]

I said people are wlecome to celebrate whatever, but the there is a reason, it is called messianic judaism.

the feasts, the sabbath, food restrictions etc, were never given to the gentiles, so why add them now?

Because, we just might learn something about the character and heart of God.

 

[PrincessBrideOfChrist]

Because, we just might learn something about the character and heart of God.

So true! I know we have

 

[cyberlizard]

from my own experience, i tend to learn more by doing than by theorizing.


Steve

 

[ByronArn]

Colossians 2: 13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. [Note, this means that Paul is speaking to Gentiles] He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses; 14 having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he has taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross; [The Law of Moses is nailed to the cross for us Christians!] 15 having stripped the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in eating, or in drinking, or with respect to a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day, 17 which are a shadow of the things to come; [In other words, dietary laws and the observances of festivals and feast days is just not that important!] but the body is Christ's. (World English Bible)

(Emphasis is mine, as are the comments in red italics)

 

[jiminpa]

(Emphasis is mine, as are the comments in red italics)

Who said anything about judging you? Some of us want to learn all of the lessons God has for us, and have learned a lot from the Biblical holy days. If you have other lessons to learn, or, as I suspect of some here, prefer ignorance, that is truly between you and God. As an example, I have issues with the traditional hymns because they tie back to my pre-Jesus, religious days. It doesn't make the hymns bad, but for me they are a tie to my excuses for not coming to Jesus sooner. Maybe the day will come when God will have you revisit the Biblical holidays, and maybe not--that is not for us to judge, just as it is not the place of anyone here to project motives to us for admiring the lessons of the "feasts."

 

[Frogster]

Don't forget pepperoni and sausage pizza and/or hot dogs! Lol. I choose to believe Jesus Christ who said that it isn't what guys into the body that makes us unclean, but rather what comes out of our hearts.

Amen! Mark 7:19, and Romans 14:14, by the Lord, eat it and enjoy! You will probably like this verse from the OT, as Paul told the Corinthians to eat whatever is sold in the Corinth meat markets, and that stuff was strangled, had blood, was also pork, unclean, and was idol food, the butchers bought the idol meat that was sacrificed in the pagan temples, and Paul said eat it! The earth is??


1 Cor 10:26 For “the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof.”