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The Falsifiability Criterion

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Many fundamentalist theists want to reject the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection because they are not convinced by the available evidence to believe it has been proven true (Spoiler Alert: Nothing is ever proven absolutely true in science). These theists tend to reference skeptical counter-arguments from apologists and/or so-called "experts" who operate under the notion that divine creation should be the default position until the evidence they are demanding for the Theory of Evolution is provided as proof. The problem with demanding proof for the truth of Evolution is that science does not function to prove any of its hypotheses are absolutely true, and there are very good reasons for this.

To begin with, science requires its hypotheses to be falsifiable. The hypothesis that claims species evolve through a process of natural selection is, indeed, potentially falsifiable. Every time a qualified and reputable scientist conducts an experiment in a relevant field, there is an opportunity for the results to disprove the Theory of Evolution. In fact, the exact purpose of every scientific experiment is to try and disprove the corresponding hypothesis. So, what justification do scientists have for not attempting to prove their hypotheses are true? Isn't the primary purpose of evidence collection to prove a claim is true? No, such a perspective on the role of evidence would consistently leave scientists and their conclusions susceptible to Confirmation Bias. Accordingly, the Falsifiability criterion has been instituted as a mitigation for the possible influence of confirmation bias.

To understand how the falsifiability criterion secures the unmatched credablity and reliability of all currently accepted scientific theories, it is necessary to explore a little bit of philosophy. Let's begin with the Problem of Induction. Inductive reasoning is demonstrably unreliable when evaluating a claim because the resulting conclusion doesn't necessarily follow from the supporting evidence. An example of this fact is the inductive argument for the claim that all swans are white. At one point in history, swans had only ever been observed to be white in color. Therefore, it seemed reasonable to inductively infer from the evidence available at the time that all existing swans must be white. But how could the truth of this claim be verified to rule-out the possibility of confirmation bias?

To verify the claim's truth, every individual swan in existence would have to be observed to determine if all are white in color. Obviously, this evidence is not reasonably obtainable. Consequently, the possibility for a different colored swan existing somewhere unobserved could not be reliably ruled-out. So, the truth of the claim that all swans are white turned out to be Underdetermined by the available evidence. Therefore, the possibility of confirmation bias could not be ruled-out. However, it is important to note that a single observation of a different colored swan would function to reasonably falsify the claim.

As it happened, someone did eventually observe a black swan in Australia. This discovery reasonably demonstrated that the claim, "all swans are white," was a product of confirmation bias after all. So, while it wasn't possible to observe every individual swan in existence at the time to determine the claim's truth value, it was possible to reasonably falsify it. It logically followed from this outcome that falsifiability was a more reliable and justifiable criterion for scientific claims than the verifiability of their truth given the problems of confirmation bias, induction, and underdetermination.

The fact of the matter is that these problems are not unique to science but apply universally. Science may have uniquely solved these problems by implementing the falsifiability criterion for its hypotheses, but nothing seems to logically prohibit this solution from functioning in non-scientific contexts as well. If theists want to reject the solution provided by the falsifiability criterion, then they must provide a justifiable alternate solution to the universal problems of confirmation bias, induction, and underdetermination that equally apply to their religious claims about divine creation. Otherwise, despite the quantity and quality of the supporting evidence theists might have for their unfalsifiable creation claims, the unresolved problems of confirmation bias, induction, and underdetermination will provide a reasonable justification to dismiss their corresponding apologetic arguments as logically fallacious.

Meanwhile, the falsifiable Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection continues to survive all tests designed to try and disprove it. Accordingly, it is widely accepted as the most reasonable explanation. Please note that the acceptance of this scientific claim does not necessarily correspond to any assertions about it being absolutely true. Sure, many science communicators may colloquially refer to Evolution and other scientific claims as being "proven true," but such phrasing should be understood to mean that the theory is falsifiable yet has never been disconfirmed by any quanity or quality of evidence discovered to date. Therefore, all arguments rejecting the Theory of Evolution on the grounds that the available evidence is insufficient to prove it is true are fallacious and should be immediately dismissed.

At the same time, any suggestion that some quantity or quality of newly discovered evidence will function to falsify the Theory of Evolution should be carefully examined and considered. However, anyone defending the Theory of Evolution must be mindful to identify and expose where intellectual dishonesty exists in the objections they encounter. In all previous circumstances where such invalid objections have been made by duplicitous individuals, the proposed disconfirming evidence turned-out to be either manipulated or misrepresented.

For debate: Any arguments theists could give to justify the acceptance of unfalsifiable religious claims about divine creation in the absence of a solution to the universal problems of confirmation bias, induction, and underdetermination.
 

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Many fundamentalist theists want to reject the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection because they are not convinced by the available evidence to believe it has been proven true (Spoiler Alert: Nothing is ever proven absolutely true in science). These theists tend to reference skeptical counter-arguments from apologists and/or so-called "experts" who operate under the notion that divine creation should be the default position until the evidence they are demanding for the Theory of Evolution is provided as proof. The problem with demanding proof for the truth of Evolution is that science does not function to prove any of its hypotheses are absolutely true, and there are very good reasons for this.

To begin with, science requires its hypotheses to be falsifiable. The hypothesis that claims species evolve through a process of natural selection is, indeed, potentially falsifiable. Every time a qualified and reputable scientist conducts an experiment in a relevant field, there is an opportunity for the results to disprove the Theory of Evolution. In fact, the exact purpose of every scientific experiment is to try and disprove the corresponding hypothesis. So, what justification do scientists have for not attempting to prove their hypotheses are true? Isn't the primary purpose of evidence collection to prove a claim is true? No, such a perspective on the role of evidence would consistently leave scientists and their conclusions susceptible to Confirmation Bias. Accordingly, the Falsifiability criterion has been instituted as a mitigation for the possible influence of confirmation bias.

To understand how the falsifiability criterion secures the unmatched credablity and reliability of all currently accepted scientific theories, it is necessary to explore a little bit of philosophy. Let's begin with the Problem of Induction. Inductive reasoning is demonstrably unreliable when evaluating a claim because the resulting conclusion doesn't necessarily follow from the supporting evidence. An example of this fact is the inductive argument for the claim that all swans are white. At one point in history, swans had only ever been observed to be white in color. Therefore, it seemed reasonable to inductively infer from the evidence available at the time that all existing swans must be white. But how could the truth of this claim be verified to rule-out the possibility of confirmation bias?

To verify the claim's truth, every individual swan in existence would have to be observed to determine if all are white in color. Obviously, this evidence is not reasonably obtainable. Consequently, the possibility for a different colored swan existing somewhere unobserved could not be reliably ruled-out. So, the truth of the claim that all swans are white turned out to be Underdetermined by the available evidence. Therefore, the possibility of confirmation bias could not be ruled-out. However, it is important to note that a single observation of a different colored swan would function to reasonably falsify the claim.

As it happened, someone did eventually observe a black swan in Australia. This discovery reasonably demonstrated that the claim, "all swans are white," was a product of confirmation bias after all. So, while it wasn't possible to observe every individual swan in existence at the time to determine the claim's truth value, it was possible to reasonably falsify it. It logically followed from this outcome that falsifiability was a more reliable and justifiable criterion for scientific claims than the verifiability of their truth given the problems of confirmation bias, induction, and underdetermination.

The fact of the matter is that these problems are not unique to science but apply universally. Science may have uniquely solved these problems by implementing the falsifiability criterion for its hypotheses, but nothing seems to logically prohibit this solution from functioning in non-scientific contexts as well. If theists want to reject the solution provided by the falsifiability criterion, then they must provide a justifiable alternate solution to the universal problems of confirmation bias, induction, and underdetermination that equally apply to their religious claims about divine creation. Otherwise, despite the quantity and quality of the supporting evidence theists might have for their unfalsifiable creation claims, the unresolved problems of confirmation bias, induction, and underdetermination will provide a reasonable justification to dismiss their corresponding apologetic arguments as logically fallacious.

Meanwhile, the falsifiable Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection continues to survive all tests designed to try and disprove it. Accordingly, it is widely accepted as the most reasonable explanation. Please note that the acceptance of this scientific claim does not necessarily correspond to any assertions about it being absolutely true. Sure, many science communicators may colloquially refer to Evolution and other scientific claims as being "proven true," but such phrasing should be understood to mean that the theory is falsifiable yet has never been disconfirmed by any quanity or quality of evidence discovered to date. Therefore, all arguments rejecting the Theory of Evolution on the grounds that the available evidence is insufficient to prove it is true are fallacious and should be immediately dismissed.

At the same time, any suggestion that some quantity or quality of newly discovered evidence will function to falsify the Theory of Evolution should be carefully examined and considered. However, anyone defending the Theory of Evolution must be mindful to identify and expose where intellectual dishonesty exists in the objections they encounter. In all previous circumstances where such invalid objections have been made by duplicitous individuals, the proposed disconfirming evidence turned-out to be either manipulated or misrepresented.

For debate: Any arguments theists could give to justify the acceptance of unfalsifiable religious claims about divine creation in the absence of a solution to the universal problems of confirmation bias, induction, and underdetermination.
Microevolution provable; macroevolution many problems. I'm not here to debate anyone; I'm here to let others know evolution is still just a theory and there are problems with the data record.

While evolution is supported by extensive evidence, certain aspects, such as the exact mechanisms of the origin of life and some specific evolutionary transitions, remain less understood or not directly observed. Additionally, while common descent is widely accepted, the precise pathways of how species evolved from one another can still be debated and researched. Wikipedia ncse.ngo

Unproven Aspects of Evolution​

Origin of Life​

  • The exact process of how life originated on Earth remains unclear. While various hypotheses exist, no definitive evidence has been found to explain the transition from non-living chemical compounds to living organisms.

Mechanisms of Evolution​

  • While natural selection and genetic drift are well-supported mechanisms, other proposed mechanisms, such as the role of epigenetics or horizontal gene transfer in evolution, are still under investigation. Their full impact on evolutionary processes is not yet fully understood.

Transitional Fossils​

  • Although many transitional fossils have been discovered, gaps still exist in the fossil record. Some evolutionary transitions, particularly those leading to major groups like mammals or birds, lack comprehensive fossil evidence.

Speciation Events​

  • The precise processes and timelines of speciation events, where one species evolves into another, are often difficult to observe directly. While speciation has been documented, the details of how it occurs in various contexts remain a topic of research.

Evolutionary Predictions​

  • While evolutionary theory makes predictions about the traits of organisms based on their ancestry, not all predictions have been confirmed. Some aspects of evolutionary change, especially in complex traits, are still being studied.

Conclusion​

While evolution is supported by substantial evidence, certain aspects, particularly regarding the origin of life and specific evolutionary mechanisms, remain unproven or not fully understood. Ongoing research continues to explore these areas.
Wikipedia ncse.ngo
 
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Microevolution provable; macroevolution many problems. I'm not here to debate anyone; I'm here to let others know evolution is still just a theory and there are problems with the data record.

While evolution is supported by extensive evidence, certain aspects, such as the exact mechanisms of the origin of life and some specific evolutionary transitions, remain less understood or not directly observed. Additionally, while common descent is widely accepted, the precise pathways of how species evolved from one another can still be debated and researched. Wikipedia ncse.ngo

Unproven Aspects of Evolution​

Origin of Life​

  • The exact process of how life originated on Earth remains unclear. While various hypotheses exist, no definitive evidence has been found to explain the transition from non-living chemical compounds to living organisms.

Mechanisms of Evolution​

  • While natural selection and genetic drift are well-supported mechanisms, other proposed mechanisms, such as the role of epigenetics or horizontal gene transfer in evolution, are still under investigation. Their full impact on evolutionary processes is not yet fully understood.

Transitional Fossils​

  • Although many transitional fossils have been discovered, gaps still exist in the fossil record. Some evolutionary transitions, particularly those leading to major groups like mammals or birds, lack comprehensive fossil evidence.

Speciation Events​

  • The precise processes and timelines of speciation events, where one species evolves into another, are often difficult to observe directly. While speciation has been documented, the details of how it occurs in various contexts remain a topic of research.

Evolutionary Predictions​

  • While evolutionary theory makes predictions about the traits of organisms based on their ancestry, not all predictions have been confirmed. Some aspects of evolutionary change, especially in complex traits, are still being studied.

Conclusion​

While evolution is supported by substantial evidence, certain aspects, particularly regarding the origin of life and specific evolutionary mechanisms, remain unproven or not fully understood. Ongoing research continues to explore these areas.
Wikipedia ncse.ngo
But no "black swans" yet.
 
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Microevolution provable; macroevolution many problems.
Macroevolution is the evolution of new species which has been observed, documented, and studied extensively.

Don't assume your personal level of knowledge reflects the actual state of the science (or IOW just because you don't know something doesn't mean no one else does).
 
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Microevolution provable; macroevolution many problems. I'm not here to debate anyone; I'm here to let others know evolution is still just a theory and there are problems with the data record.
If the others want to learn about macroevolution, there are abundant resources available from people with extensive knowledge of the subject, which group very much does not include @Hvizsgyak. Many of them are written to explain evolution and the evidence supporting it to ordinary folks without much scientific background.
 
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If the others want to learn about macroevolution, there are abundant resources available from people with extensive knowledge of the subject, which group very much does not include @Hvizsgyak. Many of them are written to explain evolution and the evidence supporting it to ordinary folks without much scientific background.
Just because they have written about it doesn't mean it's true so stop referring to it as if it were true - it is a theory with many flaws.
 
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Just because they have written about it doesn't mean it's true so stop referring to it as if it were true - it is a theory with many flaws.
That may be, but it's the only theory going.
 
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Macroevolution is the evolution of new species ...

No, it isn't.

It's the assumed evolution of a new genus.

Sure, it's going to have a new species under it, but that species is attached to a new genus.
 
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That may be, but it's the only theory going.

Saltationism

And before you say anything ...

... from AI Overview:

Saltationism, the theory that evolution can occur through large, discrete jumps rather than gradual changes, is not a widely accepted mainstream theory in evolutionary biology, but it has influenced modern evolutionary thought, particularly through the theory of punctuated equilibrium. While gradualism is generally favored, saltationism acknowledges the possibility of significant, rapid evolutionary changes, especially in the context of key innovations or body plan changes.
 
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Just because they have written about it doesn't mean it's true so stop referring to it as if it were true - it is a theory with many flaws.
How would you know? Without learning about the subject, you've got no basis to decide.

And no, I'm not going to stop referring to common descent as true. It's so well supported by such a vast range of data that I'd have to be insane not to accept it as a very good description of reality. I understand the theory and (some of) the evidence supporting it while you show no interest in understanding either -- so why would I take advice from you on how to refer to it?
 
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How would you know? Without learning about the subject, you've got no basis to decide.

And no, I'm not going to stop referring to common descent as true. It's so well supported by such a vast range of data that I'd have to be insane not to accept it as a very good description of reality. I understand the theory and (some of) the evidence supporting it while you show no interest in understanding either -- so why would I take advice from you on how to refer to it?
I'm not giving you advice; I'm not giving anyone advice. I am stating that from what I understand about evolution, the evidence presented by science still makes it look untrue to me. Since this is a Christian website, I want all Christians who view this information to know that there are people who disagree with the theory of evolution and that there are flaws with it (which I listed in another post)(yes, someone here tried to debunk them but I still stand by them and they are here so other (who don't believe in evolution) have something to go on.
 
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Macroevolution is the evolution of new species which has been observed, documented, and studied extensively.

Don't assume your personal level of knowledge reflects the actual state of the science (or IOW just because you don't know something doesn't mean no one else does).
So who observed, documented and studied the evolution of Homo sapiens :oldthumbsup:?
 
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So who observed, documented and studied the evolution of Homo sapiens :oldthumbsup:?

Oh wow, this old thing that's totally not disingenuous and actually proves a good point of the thread. I take it you have no idea how forensics works, do you?

Even without human observation of the fact of it, we have fossil evidence along with genetic evidence that shows that Homo Sapiens evolved from earlier and more basal species of Hominid. Like, that's to such a degree that that evidence IS the observation and documentation needed as evidence for it having happened.

Not that you care in the slightest.
 
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Even without human observation of the fact of it, we have fossil evidence along with genetic evidence that shows that Homo Sapiens evolved from earlier and more basal species of Hominid. Like, that's to such a degree that that evidence IS the observation and documentation needed as evidence for it having happened.

Only on paper.
 
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I'm not giving you advice; I'm not giving anyone advice. I am stating that from what I understand about evolution, the evidence presented by science still makes it look untrue to me. Since this is a Christian website, I want all Christians who view this information to know that there are people who disagree with the theory of evolution and that there are flaws with it (which I listed in another post)(yes, someone here tried to debunk them but I still stand by them and they are here so other (who don't believe in evolution) have something to go on.
Why is that important to you? Are you trying to encourage Christians who accept evolution to reject it?
 
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I'm not giving you advice; I'm not giving anyone advice. I am stating that from what I understand about evolution, the evidence presented by science still makes it look untrue to me. Since this is a Christian website, I want all Christians who view this information to know that there are people who disagree with the theory of evolution and that there are flaws with it (which I listed in another post)(yes, someone here tried to debunk them but I still stand by them and they are here so other (who don't believe in evolution) have something to go on.

So who observed, documented and studied the evolution of Homo sapiens :oldthumbsup:?
In the other thread you showed some honesty by admitting that nothing could ever convince you that evolution is true, so I don't really understand why you think anyone would or should take anything you say on the subject seriously.

If an atheist told you there was absolutely nothing that could convince them that the Bible is true, would you take anything they said about the Bible seriously?
 
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I'm not giving you advice; I'm not giving anyone advice.
It's true that what you wrote to me -- "stop referring to it as if it were true" -- was closer to a command than advice, but I was being polite. Do you not read what you yourself write?
I am stating that from what I understand about evolution, the evidence presented by science still makes it look untrue to me.
This would be more persuasive if you showed any interest in looking at the data -- some of which I'd be happy to show you -- or if you hadn't already announce that no evidence could convince you of the truth of evolution. Again, are you not reading your own posts?
 
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This would be more persuasive if you showed any interest in looking at the data -- some of which I'd be happy to show you -- or if you hadn't already announce that no evidence could convince you of the truth of evolution.

I joined this site in 2006.

Had I come here knowing as much evolution as you guys did and said, "No evidence could convince me of the truth of evolution," how would that look today?

From AI Overview:

Since 2006, a vast amount of evidence supporting evolution has come to light, building upon and strengthening Darwin's original theory.

I submit that saying "No evidence could convince me of the truth of evolution," is just an empty remark.

That's like coming here in 2006 and saying, "I've seen every major chess game played, and chess doesn't impress me."

Well ... since then ... some very impressive games have been played.

So if I say today, "Chess doesn't impress me," it is going to look like I don't know what I'm talking about.
 
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