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Do you know what UNIVERSALISM has in common with GENESIS 3:1-5? It is the same teaching from the same author.
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Bless Robin Parry! One of the greatest lectures I've ever listened to:
If you agree that there is no scripture that says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming then why are you do you believe that the unrepentant wicked receive eternal life after the second coming when the scriptures say that the unrepentant wicked after the second coming are destroyed in the lake of fire receiving the second death of Gods vengence *JOHN 3:36; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:9; JOHN 5:28-29; REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; HEBREWS 10:26-312. UNIVERSALISM teaches the opposite of the bible.
BTW The GREEK of 1 TIMOTHY 2:4 says...
ὃς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν.
"WHO ALL MEN DESIRES (θέλει) TO BE SAVED AND COME TO KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH TO COME"
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
desire, be disposed toward, intend Thel'-o or thel'-o or in certain tenses theleo thel-eh'-o, and etheleo eth-el-eh'-o, which are otherwise obsolete; apparently strengthened from the alternate form of haireomai; to determine (as an active option from subjective impulse; whereas boulomai properly denotes rather a passive acquiescence in objective considerations), i.e. Choose or prefer (literally or figuratively); by implication, to wish, i.e. Be inclined to (sometimes adverbially, gladly); impersonally for the future tense, to be about to; by Hebraism, to delight in -- desire, be disposed (forward), intend, list, love, mean, please, have rather, (be) will (have, -ling, - ling(-ly)).
Strong's Concordance
theló: to will, wish Original Word: θέλω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: theló
Phonetic Spelling: ( eth-el'-o,) Definition: to will, wish Usage: I will, wish, desire, am willing, intend, design.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 2309 thélō (a primitive verb, NAS dictionary) – to desire (wish, will), wanting what is best (optimal) because someone is ready and willing to act.
2309 /thélō ("to desire, wish") is commonly used of the Lord extending His "best-offer" to the believer – wanting (desiring) to birth His persuasion (faith) in them which also empowers, manifests His presence etc. See 2307 (thelēma). [Note the close connection between faith (4102 /pístis, "God's inbirthed persuasion") and this root (thel-, 2307 /thélēma); cf. 2 Cor 8:5-7 and Heb 10:36-39).]
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. verb
Definition to will, wish
NASB Translation; am...willing (1), am willing (3), delighting (1), delights (1), desire (14), desired (4), desires (4), desiring (2), intended (1), intending (1), like (3), maintain (1), mean (1), mean* (2), please (1), purposed (1), refused* (1), unwilling* (11), want (52), wanted (15), wanting (3), wants (8), will (5), willed (1), willing (15), wills (4), wish (24), wished (7), wishes (16), wishing (4), would (1).
Sure, but how is that remotely similar to your strawman meme?Well that one is not true. UNIVERSALSIM teaches that the unrepentant wicked receives eternal life after the second coming and all the unrepentnant wicked will be saved. Do you not believe this now?
What is your point?Do you know what UNIVERSALISM has in common with GENESIS 3:1-5? It is the same teaching from the same author.
Because if you believe that the unrepentant wicked get a second chance after the second coming then the meme is not a strawman....Yes, but how is that remotely similar to your strawman meme? Sure, but how is that remotely similar to your strawman meme?What is your point?
Because if you believe that the unrepentant wicked get a second chance after the second coming then the meme is not a strawman....
I thought that was obvious.
Because, my dear friend, the rebelliousness and wickedness are destroyed. They are then repentant and cleansed of their sin, just as the prophet Isaiah was 'destroyed' Strong's Hebrew: 1820. דָּמָה (damah) -- to cease, cause to cease, cut off, destroy by uncleanness before the presence of the Lord, and then how he is cleansed by the holy fire:
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am destroyed; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. (Is 6:5-7)
THELEMA is first and foremost WILL. That's also what your Strongs and NAS references say.
Even if it does mean 'desire' in this context (which I don't agree with), do you doubt that God is willing or able to satisfy His desires? Oh my dear friend, have a little faith.
How can the likes of Hitler be forgiven without repentance?
Revelation 22:11-12
[11]He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[12]And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
That tells me everything is decided.
Nonsense. The scriptures teach no such thing. The unrepentant wicked are destroyed because they are unrepentant and wicked according to the scriptures and receive Gods' vengence which is to be destroyed in the second death *JOHN 3:36; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:9; JOHN 5:28-29; REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; HEBREWS 10:26-312. UNIVERSALISM teaches the opposite of the bible and it's message has it's origin in GENESIS 3:1-5. Nothing new here.
No, no not at all dear friend. You have a misunderstanding. I am not calling ISAIAH nonsense. I am calling your interpretation of the scriptures to the unrepentant wicked receiving eternal life after the second coming as nonsense. It is not biblical and you have been shown why from the scriptures. Universalism is simply a very old teaching that has it's origin from GENESIS 3:1-5.You're calling Isaiah NONSENSE?? Wow, my friend, take care you don't blaspheme the HS.
I side with the Lord because even in the O.T. he delights in mercy:
Micah 7:18
[18]Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
Psalm 103:8
The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
I am sure you are familiar with Ezekiel 18. He has no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked but he will do it.
God is more than capable of doing that. I also agree with you that our body is the temple of God.
This is true the Lord can save any soul but if a man does not turn to the Lord and ask forgiveness for their sins they can't be saved. The will not force a soul to choose him, we have to make that choice. Christ will do even go after us, such as the prodigal son, but we need to let his Spirit convict us.
No, no not at all dear friend. You have a misunderstanding. I am not calling ISAIAH nonsense. I am calling your interpretation of the scriptures to the unrepentant wicked after the second coming receiving eternal life as nonsense. It is not biblical and is simply a very old teaching that comes from GENESIS 3:1-5.
How then do you interpret the passage from Isaiah?
Do you know what UNIVERSALISM has in common with GENESIS 3:1-5? It is the same teaching from the same author.
Adam and Eve turned back to God and the unrepentant wicked do not. How do you think we are saved according to the scriptures? In relation to "UNIVERSALISM", what do you think GENESIS 3:1-5 has in common with the UNIVERSALIST teaching that all the unrepentant wicked will receive eternal life?How do you figure that?
Does universalism deny Adam died? No.
Does Scripture teach Adam is lost forever? No.
Adam and Eve turned back to God and the unrepentant wicked do not. How do you think we are saved according to the scriptures? In relation to "UNIVERSALISM", what do you think GENESIS 3:1-5 has in common with the UNIVERSALIST teaching that all the unrepentant wicked will receive eternal life?
Bless Robin Parry! One of the greatest lectures I've ever listened to:
Reading this alongside Leviticus 10:1-3 doesn’t actually contradict what LoveGodsWord is saying because the very beginning of this passage from Isaiah was Isaiah “repenting” (in the sense of being aware of his own iniquity in the presence of God) and he did face the judgement of God, which was merciful, as opposed to the sons of Aaron who were destroyed for violating the command.How then do you interpret the passage from Isaiah?
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am destroyed; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. (Is 6:5-7)
Reading this alongside Leviticus 10:1-3 doesn’t actually contradict what LoveGodsWord is saying because the very beginning of this passage from Isaiah was Isaiah “repenting” (in the sense of being aware of his own iniquity in the presence of God) and he did face the judgement of God, which was merciful, as opposed to the sons of Aaron who were destroyed for violating the command.
In a way Isaiah’s fear could reflect exactly what he already knew happened to those sons of Aaron, and further reflected in Luke 18:11-14.
Isaiah would have been familiar with the Torah of Moses and the laws of the Levitical priesthood. He wasn’t afraid for no reason.I prefer the idea that God will chop them up into little pieces and Fedex them to the 12 tribes. Why not, seeing as we're all for making desperate and delinquent parallels.
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