• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

Status
Not open for further replies.

ClementofA

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jul 10, 2016
5,459
2,199
Vancouver
✟332,633.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Yep did you notice the "MANY" does not mean the "ALL"? Again did you know that the "MANY" are the "JUST"?

The "many" (v.19a) are not the "just". They are those who "were constituted sinners" (v.19a) "through one offense" (v.19a), i.e. Adam's sin. That "many" is, therefore, all mankind with the exception of Christ. Hence "many", not "all" mankind.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."
Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

Verse 19 uses the word "many" instead of "all" as in verse 18. Not all men have been "constituted sinners" (v.19), Christ being an obvious exception. Some would also include as exceptions those humans who have been this moment conceived, preborn babies, infants, etc. So, therefore, Paul says "many" in verse 19 rather than "all".

Rom.5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for ALL MEN, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for ALL MEN.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man THE MANY were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man THE MANY will be made righteous.

If Paul didn't wish to parallel both occurrences of "THE MANY" in verse 19, then he would have said "some" or "few" instead of "THE MANY" in the second occurrence. Clearly he was teaching by the parallel of two occurrences of "THE MANY" (v.19) that all those who "were made sinners" will "be made righteous".

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

Therefore there is salvation after death. And corrective punishment. Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever [or annihilated for eternity].

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11). For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All.

"Paul declares, however, that the effects of Christ's obedience are far greater for mankind than the effect of Adam's fall. For the third (5:15) and fourth (5:17) times in this chapter he makes explicit use of the 'qal wahomer' ("from minor to major") form of argument that is commonly used in rabbinic literature, expressed by "much more"...cf. earlier use at 5:9,10...And as in the case of the typology previously used (5:14), here, too, the form of the argument is antithetical. The grace of God extended to humanity in the event of Christ's death has abounded "for the many" (5:15b), which corresponds to the "all" of 5:12,18. The free gift given by God in Christ more than matches the sin of Adam and its effects; it exceeds it..."

"Contrasts are also seen in the results of the work of each. Adam's trespass or disobedience has brought condemnation (κατάκριμα, 5:18); through his act many were made sinners (5:19). Christ's "act of righteousness" results in "justification of life" (δικαίωσιν ζωῆς) for all (5:18). The term δικαίωσιν can be translated as "justification" (NIV, NRSV; but RSV has "acquittal") - the opposite of "condemnation". The word ζωῆς ("of life") is a genitive of result, providing the outcome of justification, so that the phrase may be rendered "justification resulting in life". 108...

108. BDAG 250 (δικαίωσιν): "acquittal that brings life". The construction is variously called a "genitive of apposition", an "epexegetical genitive" or "genitive of purpose". Cf. BDF 92 (S166). The meaning is the same in each case: justification which brings life."

"The universality of grace in Christ is shown to surpass the universality of sin. Christ's "act of righteousness" is the opposite of Adam's "tresspass" and equivalent to Christ's "obedience", which was fulfilled in his being obedient unto death (Phil 2:8). The results of Christ's righteous action and obedience are "justification resulting in life for all persons"...5:18...and "righteousness" for "many" (5:19). The term "many" in 5:19 is equivalent to "all persons", and that is so for four reasons: (1) the parallel in 5:18 speaks in its favor; (2) even as within 5:19 itself, "many were made sinners" applies to all mankind, so "many will be made righteous" applies to all; (3) the same parallelism appears in 5:15, at which "many" refers to "all"; and (4) the phrase "for many" is a Semitism which means "all", as in Deutero-Isaiah 52:14; 53:11-12; Mark...10:45; 14:24; Heb.12:15. The background for Paul's expression is set forth in Deutero-Isaiah, where it is said that "the righteous one"...the Lord's servant, shall make "many" to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their sins ...Isa.53:11..."

"It is significant, and even astounding, that justification is here said to be world-embracing. Nothing is said about faith as a prerequisite for justification to be effective, nor about faith's accepting it." (Paul's Letter To The Romans: A Commentary, Arland J. Hultgren, Eerdmans, 2011, 804 pg, p.227, 229)
 
Upvote 0

ClementofA

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jul 10, 2016
5,459
2,199
Vancouver
✟332,633.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Yep did you notice who those are are that are made alive? Those "IN CHRIST" are made alive.

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Verse 22 says "in Christ shall ALL be made alive". Not...only all those in Christ at the second coming will be made alive. Not...only those who believe in Christ in their mortal lifetime will be made alive. You reversed the order of v.22 to try to make it say something it doesn't.


Here you inject your twisting of verse 22 into your opinion about v.28.

1 Cor.15:25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.

How many will be "under His feet"? Just enemies or all:

1 Cor.15:27 For “He has put in subjection all under His feet.” But when it may be said that all has been put in subjection, it is evident that the One having put in subjection all to Him is excepted.

So there is only one exception to "all" to be "put...under his feet". Then God will be "in" "all", hence universal salvation:

1 Cor.15:28 And when all shall be subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all under him, that God may be all in all.

Even the Son will be "subject" to God (v.28).

God as "all in all" (1 Cor.15:28) has nothing to do with authority, but God "in" every being who ever lived. "To say that "all in all" signifies "the manifestation of God's supremacy"...is very far indeed from the truth...When we say "Christ is my all," what do we mean? That He is our Lord? Yes, and our Saviour and Friend and our Lover, our Wisdom and our Righteousness, and our Holiness--He is everything to us!...And that is just what God wishes to be and what He will be!...Will He be this only in some? No! He will be All in all!...we have said that when the last enemy [death] is abolished, then the Son abdicates and God becomes All in all. If there were still enmity we might imagine God being over all, but with all enmity gone, it is easy to see how He can become All in all...The "kingdom" is given up to the Father, after all sovereignty and authority and power have been abrogated. What kind of a "supremacy" will God "fully manifest" which has no power, no authority, no sovereignty? Thank God, all these elements, which characterized government during the eons, will be utterly unnecessary when the Son of God is finished with His "mediatorial" work. Instead of God's supremacy being fully manifested at that time, it will be entirely absent, and God, as Father, will guide His family by the sweet constraint of love."

Fortunately no "eternal death" ever appears in the Sacred Scriptures (66 books of the Bible). To the contrary, death will be abolished (1 Cor.15:26).

"Just as surely as the abolition of slavery entails freedom for those formerly enslaved, the abolition of death entails life for those formerly dead."

Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.
 
Upvote 0

Lazarus Short

Well-Known Member
Apr 6, 2016
2,934
3,009
75
Independence, Missouri, USA
✟301,642.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married

I have given that dualism/bifurcation some thought - the concept of making a decision for or against Jesus the Christ before the instant of your death - leading to eternal results. I think it makes about as much sense as the position of the planets in the sky at the moment of your birth having a lasting effect on your life ever after...
 
Upvote 0

ClementofA

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jul 10, 2016
5,459
2,199
Vancouver
✟332,633.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private

Let's be clear. It is not my view that the unrepentant wicked will be saved at the time of the second coming. This is in response to your query: "Does the scripture claim what you are claiming that the unrepentant wicked at the second coming will be saved?"

I would point out that Col.1:20 says peace has been made already through the blood of the cross:

16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Since "peace" has been "made...through the blood of the cross", how can God let anyone end up being tortured or terminated from existence forever? Likewise since God is not holding men's sins against them (2 Cor.5:19) how can any be lost forever?

"As he went through the doorway the Spirit of Truth challenged him saying; "What needs to be reconciled 'IN HEAVEN'?" After all, nothing in the heavenly realm needs reconciling
but demons. Like the song says; "There is power power in the blood of Jesus." More power and a better plan, than the nominal church can even believe. To have ears to hear, one must loosen the death grip on what they believe."

"...found only in Christian writers...reconcile everything in his own person, i.e. the universe is to form a unity, which has its goal in Christ Col 1:20..." (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament & Other Early Christian Literature (BDAG), 3rd edition, 2000, p.112).

"...Jesus existed before all things, He created all things, He holds together all things, and He will reconcile all things. And what does it mean for God to "reconcile to himself
all things"? It is clear that the word reconcile means more than squashing opposition. It means a full restoration of peace and harmony."

"...The "all things" of verse 20 is as extensive as the "all things" of verse 16. So just as God created everything and everybody through Christ, so He will reconcile everything
and everybody through Christ (not everything except most of humanity!). The universe will be completely restored to its original perfection and peace. No one will be at enmity
with God or with one another. He will completely fulfill "the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure"—"to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one
head, even Christ" (Ephesians 1:10). Going from the depths of mankind's depravity to the total reconciliation of everyone to God and to each other will be more glorious than if we had never fallen in the first place. The restoration of every single relationship to perfect harmony through the work of reconciliation on the cross will be the most spectacular demonstration imaginable of the grace and justice and wisdom and power and love of God."
http://blogs.christianpost.com/amba...e-heart-of-gods-grand-plan-for-creation-7138/

"Just as His glories in creation take us back to the very beginning, so the greater glories of reconciliation take us to the very consummation. The universal reconciliation cannot be fully accomplished till the close of the eonian times, when all sovereignty and authority and power and even death are rendered inoperative (1Cor.15:24-27)...(Concordant Commentary, AE Knoch, 1968, Col.1:20, p.303).

There is a parallel here:

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

It's quite astonishing that many insist that the parallel of aionios in Mt.25:46 means the word must be of the same meaning & duration in both instances, but they don't apply the same reasoning to other passages with parallels, such as Col.1:20 above and these:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die - so also - in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Read more: What does Matthew 25:46 mean? (Gomorrah, Gospel, unpardonable, hell) - Christianity - - City-Data Forum
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

FineLinen

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Jan 15, 2003
12,119
6,397
82
The Kingdom of His dear Son
✟551,042.00
Faith
Non-Denom

A word to the elect =
 
Upvote 0

FineLinen

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Jan 15, 2003
12,119
6,397
82
The Kingdom of His dear Son
✟551,042.00
Faith
Non-Denom

A Word to The 'Elect ’

You may rejoice to think yourselves secure;
You may be grateful for the gift divine -
That grace unsought, which made your black hearts pure,
And fits your earth-born souls in Heaven to shine.

But, is it sweet to look around, and view
Thousands excluded from that happiness
Which they deserved, at least, as much as you, -
Their faults not greater, nor their virtues less? -Anne Bronte-
 
Reactions: Lazarus Short
Upvote 0

agapelove

Well-Known Member
May 1, 2020
840
754
29
San Diego
✟58,006.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship

It was meant to be ridiculous.

I am trying to show how the measuring stick for “repenting before the second coming” is NOT sufficient for ALL people.

If God is able to extend mercy for THESE unbelievers why can he not for ALL?
 
Reactions: Lazarus Short
Upvote 0

agapelove

Well-Known Member
May 1, 2020
840
754
29
San Diego
✟58,006.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship

I am not offended by the scriptures you are showing me. I am offended by your assumptions that I live like the devil, which you have clearly assumed about all universalists.

I urge you to approach people who think differently with a little more love and compassion. I have never once claimed that anihilist beliefs are “from the devil” even though I personally find the idea of it repulsive and not biblical.
 
Last edited:
Reactions: Lazarus Short
Upvote 0

a-lily-of-peace

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2020
521
310
Australia
✟43,113.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married

Do you believe that demons will be sanctified?
 
Upvote 0

Oldmantook

Well-Known Member
Jan 10, 2017
3,633
1,526
65
USA
✟106,673.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Of course the saved nations and kings of the earth enter the city as that is what the verse specifically states. Big problem for you though is that throughout the entire book or Revelation, the kings of the earth are wicked. YET they enter the new Jerusalem. In your attempt to justify your belief and resolve this discrepancy, you compile a list of kings and claim they are the ones being referred to in Rev 21:24. That is laughable as those are dead kings in the OT. The kings of the earth referenced in Revelation are alive during the tribulation and are aligned with mystery Babylon; who die when Jesus returns and conquers them. I guess you don't know the difference between dead and alive. Care to take another swing at it?
 
Upvote 0

agapelove

Well-Known Member
May 1, 2020
840
754
29
San Diego
✟58,006.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship
Not really dear sister. "IN CHRIST" means those who have accepted CHRIST. Read the supporting scriptures. "IN CHRIST" is in reference to the saved not the "WICKED"!

For as in Adam all die. So in Christ all shall be made alive.

Did we have to “accept” the dying in Adam? Does “all die” not really mean all? The parallel they are making is implying that being “in Christ” is not just dependent on repentance but it is foreshadowing that ALL being made alive IN CHRIST is something that WILL HAPPEN.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

ClementofA

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jul 10, 2016
5,459
2,199
Vancouver
✟332,633.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private

Sorry, but - i - didn't claim sarcasm.

It's similar to "Geoking" (pronounced "joking") Where the offender states something as a fact.. but, after being shown they are in serious error... claim it was a "joke"...

So everyone who tells the same joke more than two times is morally obligated to state after the 3rd time..."but you guys know i was joking, right"?

"Sure, what is wrong with letting a person live happily forever in “Sin City”, as opposed to being nonexistent or being roasted alive for endless ages. I know what my choice would be. And, morally speaking, I’d think a Loving Being would agree with that choice.

The thing is, if that person still had a conscience, how happy could they be in light of what i assume would be sinful selfish life? Would God turn off their conscience or memory of their life in the past? Would that put them on the level with being a mere animal? Would observing this person’s endless life in Vegas be a sweet smelling incense in God’s nostrils? Surely He has something better to offer and give, something far sweeter & more satisfying to both mankind, the angels & Himself.

Makes sense?"

God.. will not make you endure eternity in heaven with Him if you don't want to....

Because He loves you.. .He grants your wishes.

Who would wish to be annihilated out of existence forever?

For Love Omnipotent to do so would be to deny Himself, what He is, namely Love Omnipotent. But the Scriptures say He cannot do that:

2 Tim.2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
 
Last edited:
Reactions: Lazarus Short
Upvote 0

Lazarus Short

Well-Known Member
Apr 6, 2016
2,934
3,009
75
Independence, Missouri, USA
✟301,642.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married

I'm reminded of a friend's poem from years ago - it was about cattlemen in the Old West, and if memory serves, it ended like so: "...they ended up hanging men...who only wanted the same."
 
Reactions: FineLinen
Upvote 0

ClementofA

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jul 10, 2016
5,459
2,199
Vancouver
✟332,633.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
It matters not...

The question will not be "did you have help in killing all those people"?

The question will be "did you accept Christ as your savior"?

Sounds about right. Could use more elaboration, though, just like this remark:

Your post has, however, restored my faith in the fact that people can find and excuse to justify anything.

Sorry, I have no idea where you're coming from with that remark. Or how you got that out of my post.
 
Upvote 0

ClementofA

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jul 10, 2016
5,459
2,199
Vancouver
✟332,633.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private

Is there a point to posting that Scripture & the enlarged letters portion?
 
Upvote 0

ClementofA

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jul 10, 2016
5,459
2,199
Vancouver
✟332,633.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Do you believe that demons will be sanctified?

Some universalists think so. Consider the following Scriptures & opinions:

"I once heard a child ask if everyone prayed for Satan if he could be saved too. Now I realize this will send some people over the edge, but I thought it one of the most endearing questions I ever heard."

"Origen (185-255) believed that Satan would eventually be reconciled to God (though he would be the last to submit)."

Rev.5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are on the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb into the eons of the eons.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All was created through Him and for Him.

20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Phil.2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1 Cor.15:28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)

Eph.1:10 to have an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ - both in the heavens and on the earth

Ephesians 3:8-10
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God

Ephesians 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once upon the end of the eons hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. (Heb.9:26)

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (Jn.1:29)

He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making all new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” (Rev.21:5a)

“Is anything impossible for the LORD?” (Gen.18:14)

Matthew 19:26
Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Luke 1:37
For nothing will be impossible with God."

Romans 4:21
being fully persuaded that God was able to do what He had promised.

Now to the One being able to do exceedingly above all things that we ask or think (Eph.3:20a)

“If Love Omnipotent doesn’t save Satan, is it because He can’t or doesn’t want to?”

"I am aware of 'this pastor'. The verse which hit him like a ton of bricks as he wrestled with a congregant challenging him with Ultimate Reconciliation was the following;

COL 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

As he went through the doorway the Spirit of Truth challenged him saying; "What needs to be reconciled 'IN HEAVEN'?" After all, nothing in the heavenly realm needs reconciling but demons. Like the song says; "There is power power in the blood of Jesus." More power and a better plan, than the nominal church can even believe. To have ears to hear, one must loosen the death grip on what they believe."


 
Reactions: Lazarus Short
Upvote 0

JacksBratt

Searching for Truth
Site Supporter
Jul 5, 2014
16,294
6,495
63
✟596,843.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
It was meant to be ridiculous.

I am trying to show how the measuring stick for “repenting before the second coming” is NOT sufficient for ALL people.

If God is able to extend mercy for THESE unbelievers why can he not for ALL?
Simply because the others have a choice.. They are fully cognitive of their sinfulness, their rejection of Christ and their denial of a God.

Therefore, they are fully responsible for their choice.

Those who are ignorant of their sins for reasons of being an infant, mentally incapable, or just plain too young to comprehend it enough to have their eternal destiny held to their choices.... will be judged by a wonderfully loving, just and righteous Creator.

Again, everyone will stand before their creator at one time...

All those will be judged.

All those judgements will be final.

Nobody will have the authority or basis to contradict this final judgement...

Everyone will admit that their personal and thorough sentence is righteous, just and fitting.

This is due to the simple and plain fact that God is all powerful, all knowing and knows each of us better than we know ourselves.

There will be no need for an appeal...
 
Reactions: mmksparbud
Upvote 0

ClementofA

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jul 10, 2016
5,459
2,199
Vancouver
✟332,633.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
It’s something I have considered. I’m asking if you, in your heart, believe it to be true.

Sorry, I understood your question & i still have no comment besides what i posted.

Are you a hopeful universalist?

Love Omnipotent loves you more than you can imagine!

"The simplest way to know if someone is preaching the gospel of grace is to evaluate whether the teaching glorifies our Lord Jesus."
 
Upvote 0

a-lily-of-peace

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2020
521
310
Australia
✟43,113.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
If it takes 51 pages to get to “no comment” maybe 51 more will come to a response.

“No one, when he has lit a lamp, covers it with a vessel or puts it under a bed, but sets it on a lampstand, that those who enter may see the light. For nothing is secret that will not be revealed, nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to light. (Luke 8:16-17, NKJV)
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.