a-lily-of-peace
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I truly hope for the best for all, that’s how he taught us to pray, give us, forgive us, not give me and forgive me.
who am I to say what will happen in the end
in that, who is anyone?
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I truly hope for the best for all, that’s how he taught us to pray, give us, forgive us, not give me and forgive me.It would be nice Lily but the trouble is according to the scriptures JESUS tells has there will be many false prophets (messengers) and teachers seeking to deceive if possible God's very elect *MATTHEW 24:24 and JESUS did not come to send peace but a sword (the Word) *MATTHEW 10:34; EPHESIANS 6:17. This is why we are told in the scriptures to test the Spirits to see if they are of God or not. Universalism is a doctrine that lead people away from God to the gambling lady of second chances for which there is no second chance and leads those who follow her to think they can live like the devil today because there is always a second chance tomorrow when there is no more second chances at the 2nd coming when JESUS proclaims; He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still and, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. They cry peace and safety when there is no peace but sudden destruction *1 THESSALONIANS 5:1-3; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teaching of men that lead us away from God and his Word. God's sheep are only those who hear his voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who are not His Sheep do not hear and do not follow *JOHN 10:26-27
God bless sis
Dear Lover: I intend on pointing every individual on whom my shadow falls to the Christ the Saviour of the whole broken children of Adam. In the red letters & the black letters of Canon are enunciations that require the anointing of the Spirit of the Lord to grasp "How can these things be?"
There are men who have become the home of the written words of the Saviour of Reconciliation that I will be continuing to present. Ignore them if you will.
Not merely saved: reconciled!
I don’t really have any -isms to repent from because even when I was doing terrible things I thought I was too good to call any of them -isms but I will say that there came a point where I realised that 1. Gods kingdom deserved to exist and 1a. Even if I couldn’t be part of it and in that frame of mind I actually did face the complete annihilation of my self and still agreed with it as being right.
So maybe I just don’t really see it as terrible, and that I would actually wonder if you can make disciples without telling them something like that.
Dear Fine, JESUS is the living Word of God and it is only in His Word that one my find the loving Christ we seek. Pointing all to the teachings of men that lead away from Gods' Word is only taking them away from JESUS who is the Word.
Dear Lover: I realize that I have only posted men who have grasped the Hope of all hopes. Rest assured the women are coming!
By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta pavnte) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the…
Ex= The Source
Di= The Agent
Eiv= The Goal
The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.
Ta pavnte “in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming.”
It is not in the limited sense of “nearly all”, “pavnte” minus “ta”
The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.
The prefix “re” means back again, again, anew–and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.
In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;… down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis
Also, we have looked at all your claims to the GREEK already only to show that they do not effect the message of interpretation of the scriptures that all translations agree on. So not sure why you still feel the need to go there. If you still continue to rely on the gambling lady of second chances and teach others to do the same
I never really thought much about hell. I don’t like how “repent (return to Me) for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand” gets translated as “repent (away from your sin) or you will go to hell” but there is still a very strong message of don’t go that way.I think I remember thinking, as you did, that the Kingdom should go on, even if I did not. For myself, I now wonder how I was ever made a disciple, given the threat of Hell. It is hardly an attractant...
There is no such thing as the concept of eternal burning Hell. This is a false teaching handed down to much of Christianity by the Roman Catholic Church. It is one of two extreme views. The eternal burning hell doctrine looks at God's justice and judgement but lack God's love and mercy while the other extreme false teaching is Universalism which look at God's love and mercy but ignores God's justice and judgements. They are polar opposites and both not biblical.I never really thought much about hell. I don’t like how “repent (return to Me) for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand” gets translated as “repent (away from your sin) or you will go to hell” but there is still a very strong message of don’t go that way.
Treating the lake of fire as a purification ritual is basically purgatory though.There is no such thing as the concept of eternal burning Hell. This is a false teaching handed down to much of Christianity by the Roman Catholic Church. It is one of two extreme views. The eternal burning hell doctrine looks at God's justice and judgement but lack God's love and mercy while the other extreme false teaching is Universalism which look at God's love and mercy but ignores God's justice and judgements. They are polar opposites and both not biblical.
God bless.
Your God is the God of chances. That is truly ducky if you subscribe to chance in Abba's Plan of the reconciliation of ta pavnte. Unfortunately for you and others who believe in chance, your delusion will evaporate as your sums evaporate at the heavenly roulette wheel.As we have already seen "all" translations of koine do not agree. I have my right hand up, (do you see it waving?) I vow that your gambling ways of your new friend Fine will never be followed by me.
The Heavenly Parade of women who grasp the Hope of all hopes is about to begin. Hark, I hear the chorus singing in the distance? Stay tuned.
Yep I think both of those doctrines are a form of purgatory. One view people stay in and burn forever and in the other view some get out when ever someone repents. Both views are not biblical and to me make God out to be some sort of tyrant. I do not see God's love in either views. One torturing people forever and the other torturing people and forcing them to follow him. God never forces anyone to follow him other wise there would be no point to free will.Treating the lake of fire as a purification ritual is basically purgatory though.
Indeed; in fact I elaborated on MacDonald's argument. If I recall, in his example he used the theft of a watch as his example.Oldman that was an excellent well thought out post. you are surely aware of the mighty man of Spirit & life, George MacDonald.
Justice =
Unspoken Sermons by George MacDonald: Justice
True, it will work out perfect for those who believe and follow God and not so much for those who do not.All I know is that whatever happens will be perfect.
It will really be entirely perfect no matter what it is.True, it will work out perfect for those who believe and follow God and not so much for those who do not.
There is no such thing as the concept of eternal burning Hell. This is a false teaching handed down to much of Christianity by the Roman Catholic Church. It is one of two extreme views. The eternal burning hell doctrine looks at God's justice and judgement but lack God's love and mercy while the other extreme false teaching is Universalism which look at God's love and mercy but ignores God's justice and judgements. They are polar opposites and both not biblical.
God bless.
I I think your words here of chances only applies to what you are sharing here in this wonderful thread of life so I will leave you dear friend to your own delusions. follow it over the teachings of men that deny the words of God.
You said you believe in annihilation which is no different from ECT in the sense that both views contradict God's purpose to reconcile all to himself. Those who are annihilated are never reconciled with God in direct contradiction to Col 1:20.Ok to start with I do not believe in the eternal conscious torment view. It is a Catholic false teaching that is not biblical so hear we are at agreement.
As shown through the scriptures on page one already Gods' salvation is conditional "IF". God's JUDGEMENTS are also conditional for example "Do this and this will happen". Which can be applied through the scriptures in both as positive or negative sense (e.g. see DEUTERONOMY 28 on the blessings and curses).
For example...
HEBREWS 10:26-39 [26], FOR IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, [27], BUT A CERTAIN FEARFUL LOOKING FOR OF JUDGMENT AND FIERY (G4442 πῦρ) INDIGNATION (G2205 ζῆλος) WHICH SHALL DEVOUR (G2068 ἐσθίω) THE ADVERSARIES (G5227 ὑπεναντίος)
The Greek word for Devour (G2068) ἐσθίω; esthiō in combination with fiery (G4442 πῦρ) indignation (G2205 ζῆλος) means God's fire wrath will literally devour consume or eat alive the adversaries of God who are defined in v26 as all those who sin willfully or continue in known unrepentant sin when they have been given a knowledge of the truth but reject it in order to practice sin and reject God's ways in order to follow their own ways. This was one of the main points I was hoping for you to pick up on in sharing this scripture as it links in to HEBREWS 6:4-8.
God's JUSTICE in linked to JUDGEMENT and God's LOVE and MERCY as shown in the post you are quoting from. According to the scriptures the wages of sin is death *ROMANS 6:23. This is also seen all throughout the old and new testament scriptures.
For example everytime someone sinned in the old covenant in order for the those who sinned to be reconciled to God they had to offer a sin offering which required the DEATH (wages of sin; Gods judgement and justice for the sin committed) of the animal sacrifice that we know through the scriptures pointed to JESUS as our true sin offering that takes away the sins of the world *JOHN 1:29; HEBREWS 7: HEBREWS 8: HEBREWS 9 and HEBREWS 10 etc.
This is taught all through the old and new testament scriptures. That the wages of sin is death and was first proclaimed in the Garden of Eden. You shall not eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. In the day you eat thereof you shall surely die *GENESIS 2:17.
God judgement is "IF" you eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall surely die. SIN as you would agree is breaking anyone of Gods' commandments and unbelief in God's Word as shown in ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; and 1 JOHN 3:4.
As shown through the scriptures above God's JUDGEMENTS are connected to sin or disobedience to what God commands us not to do. ALL OF US HAVE SINNED according to the scriptures and all stand guilty before God of sin and the wages of those sins is DEATH *ROMANS 3:9-23; ROMANS 6:23. DEATH is God's Judgement from God's justice to those who disobey God's Word and what God commands. So not looking to good for all mankind according to the scriptures right?
This is where we see the GREATEST LOVE known to man as greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends *JOHN 15:13. Here we all are. All have sinned and stand guilty before God of sin and we wages of these sins is DEATH (God's Judgement). Yet God so loved our world. He was not willing that anyone of us should be lost and perish but that all should come to a knowldge of the truth and be saved, that he sent His only begotten son JESUS, that whosoever should believe on him for salvation and accept his free gift of Gods' GRACE should not perish but have everlasting life *JOHN 3:16; EPHESIANS 2:8.
I believe in all the conditional statements relating to salvation so you are
We see here dear friend that the greatest of all love is revealed in JESUS and Gods justice and judgement for the sins of the whole world that the son of God should give up His life as a gift to those who accept this gift. He gives us His life for our death penalty (God's Judgement) that if we accept His dear for our sins we should not perish but be returned and reconcilled to God's love though the blood of JESUS at the cross.
God is a God indeed of LOVE, MERCY, JUSTICE and JUDGEMENT and we can see the GREATEST ACT FROM GOD in God sending his only begotten son to die the death for our sins, fulfilling God's justice and judgements for the sins of the whole world in JESUS.
The wages of sin is still DEATH but because of JESUS and God's forgiveness there is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. *ROMANS 8:1-4.
Dear friend do not be deceived God is not mocked. We are saved by God's grace through faith *EPHESIANS 2:8. If there is no faith there is no GRACE as Gods GRACE is received through faith and accepting the gift of God's dear son.
All who do not believe God's Word and the Gospel of our Lord JESUS Christ and continue in known unrepentant sin according to the scriptures will not enter into the kingdom of Heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing disrespecting the Spirit of Grace. When this happens there is no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come who all must bear for themselves who reject the sacrifice that JESUS made for them who deny him.
If there was no justice and judgement then JESUS died in vain and there is no place to see God so loved the world as in the sacrifice of JESUS for the sins of the world so that everyone who acecpts his sacrifice for our sins do not have to receive the JUDGEMENTS of God's vengence that will devour the adversaries at the second coming *2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10; REVELATION 22:11-12.
How sad a day will this day be when the many come to JESUS thinking they have second chances saying LORD, LORD did we not do all these things in your name. Only to hear the words Depart from me you who work sin I never knew you.
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