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So, 7 heads are 7 mountains, not kings. The ten horns are the kings of the beast and of course there are 10, not 7 and they are kings for the entire "one hour" the beast reigns over the world. None of the horns or mountains fall leaving others to stand. When it's time for any of the beast to fall, they all fall at the same time being defeated by Christ at Armageddon.
Deuteronomy 13:1-3 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
chalam = a primitive root; properly, to bind firmly, i.e. (by implication) to be (causatively to make) plump; also (through the figurative sense of dumbness) to dream:--(cause to) dream(-er), be in good liking, recover.
Deuteronomy 13:13 [Certain] men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
The False Prophet Is The Antichrist.
Why do the 7 heads have 7 crowns upon the heads in Revelation 12, but not in Revelation 13 ?
And why do the ten horns have no crowns on their horns in Revelation 12, but have crowns in Revelation 13 ?
it is the false prophet that brings the image of a beast to life.
Yes. He is the only one to do any miracles or impressive acts.
Jesus said He would be present for the final harvest. Not sure how being present on earth is still being in heaven at the same time.The 6th seal does describe the second coming but it isn't happening at that moment. It's just a vision of the future. How we know that is that Christ does not open the 6th seal and then immediately leave heaven to do all the second coming stuff. He remains in heaven to open the next seal and remains in heaven for an unknown amount of years until the 7th trump sounds which is when the second coming happens.
Question:Why do the 7 heads have 7 crowns upon the heads in Revelation 12, but not in Revelation 13 ?All I can say is that both beasts are similar but with minor differences and that the Revelation 13 version is stronger.
What are your answers?
Jesus said He would be present for the final harvest. Not sure how being present on earth is still being in heaven at the same time.
Matthew 13 declares He will be here with the angels. Matthew 25 declares He will be here with the angels. Paul says with at least one angel. And the 6th Seal uses the symbolism of stars that the angels come to earth.
Most people are looking for the wrong Christ to carry out the final harvest.
You didn't comment on the problem. How can Christ return to the Earth after opening the 6th seal and be in heaven to open the 7th seal?
Is an omnipresent omnipotent GOD being in 2 places at once really a challenge?
Let's take that a step further
if everyone's going to be spending all eternity clamoring around Jesus to adore Him...
are there going to be people outside the initial dogpile immediately around Him that can't even spend time with Jesus?
How is Jesus supposed to personally replace our needs for companionship, if He's limited to being in one place at one time?
I don't think Jesus, who is a physical being, appears in two or more places at the same time. It's not demonstrated one time in scripture. Only God in spirit form does that. I think we can safely say when Jesus was on the Earth he was not anywhere else, and Jesus in heaven means he is not on the Earth.
I think there will be order in the New Heaven and new Earth and people will take turns visiting Jesus.
Yet He's still God, I don't find it challenging at all that He could be in heaven and earth simultaneously.
So 99% of the time it won't be "your turn" and you will just have that need of companionship unmet.
Here's more I have on this:
The heads are not the rulers. The horns are the rulers and the heads are WHERE they rule. This is just like Pagan Rome where Caesar (the Antichrist) ruled over ten states with their rulers (the ten horns) and these ten states (kingdoms) were LOCATED on 7 hills (the 7 heads/mountains).
Obviously the 7 hills weren't an additional 7 leaders in Rome anymore than they are 7 more Kings in Rev 13, 17.
Here's the basic issue:
Some translations are based on a manuscript, and some are based on a different manuscript. The manuscripts differ in various ways and this is one of them:
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
The KJV has the 7 heads/mountains as separate as the 7 kings while other translations have the 7 heads/mountains as also being the 7 kings:
Rev 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;
Rev 17:10 they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.
Both cannot be correct but there is an easy way to figure out which one is right and which isn't.
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
"having seven heads" means the beast possess all 7 heads. If the manuscripts the ESV is based upon are right then the beast would have one head since it says 6 of the heads would have fallen (no longer exist) by the time of the 7th king/head. The fact that the beast has all 7 heads, and none of the heads had fallen means the ESV version is simply wrong. Furthermore, Rev 13 tells us one head was wounded and then healed so instead of 6 heads supposedly falling before the arrival of the 7th head, all the heads are perfectly intact and one even survives a serious wound and does not fall.
The manuscripts the KJV is based upon are correct because they accurately keep the intact and unfallen 7 heads of the Rev 13:1 beast separate from the completely different information about previous kings which were successive and fell one by one until there was a 7th that was standing alone. These 7 kings are the same as the 4 successive beasts in Daniel. Only one existed at a time with the previous falling away. The 4th being equal to the 7th king (who has a beast-kingdom of course) of Rev 17.
Rev 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;
The 7 heads of the beast are said to be mountains and those are areas of land where kingdoms exist. The only things of the beast which represent kings are the horns:
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
So, 7 heads are 7 mountains, not kings. The ten horns are the kings of the beast and of course there are 10, not 7 and they are kings for the entire "one hour" the beast reigns over the world. None of the horns or mountains fall leaving others to stand. When it's time for any of the beast to fall, they all fall at the same time being defeated by Christ at Armageddon.
The seven heads are seven mountains... and they are seven kings.
Have to wonder why "godly translators" wouldn't mind adding and subtracting words in the Revelation... for which there is a curse. But if we'd known all along that it's a green horse... and "they are" is the literal reading of Revelation 17:10... etc., would we still be hunting the beast? or been preaching the Kingdom of Heaven, all along.
it is the false prophet that brings the image of a beast to life.
No challenge at all. No challenge for him to juggle every planet in the universe...but, I don't think he will do that and don't think he wants to be in two or more places at the same time.
I think it's a solid point to make that Jesus is not actually returning to Earth just because the 6th seal describes what the second coming will be like. I believe he opened all the seals and sat next to his Father and has been there ever since, just waiting on that 7th trump to sound.
Humanity has waited almost 2 thousand years. I think waiting a little is nothing at all.
Yet He's still God, I don't find it challenging at all that He could be in heaven and earth simultaneously.
When He was bodily on earth during His first advent was He also bodily in heaven at the same time?
I believe that the Antichrist will be the Islamic Mahdi, and the False prophet will be the Islamic version of "Jesus" Isa.
It fits to a T.
the False Prophet defers to the first beast
Isa prays behind the Mahdi
Jesus said that they will come in His name
Isa will claim to be Jesus, but deny that he is the Son of God, and he will say "There is only one God and Muhammad is his messenger" (2 horns like a lamb, speaks like a dragon)
1 John 2 and 1 John 4 express that this is the very spirit of Antichrist, to deny that Jesus is the Son of God, and that is a core tenet of Islam.
Furthermore, Islamic eschatology says that Jesus will break the cross and end the jizya tax. Breaking the cross means ending Christianity, and the Jizya tax is a tax paid by non muslims in Islamic nations to live safely there.
Why will the Jizya tax be ended by Isa?
Revelation 13
There will no longer be tolerance of any religions but Islam. That is why.
Some manuscripts (or maybe one, not sure) does have the confusing "and they are seven kings." but the manuscripts the KJV does not have that. It just has this:
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Here the 8 kings are not the 7 mountains. It's also not the only translation uses that language.
Fallen does mean the old kings/kingdoms are gone. Rome would be one example of many empires that were in power but fell away in history. The 7th is the Revelation 13 beast empire. It's the strongest of any that came before it and it will be the first to rule the entire globe. I believe the 8th to be the false prophet who may possibly change the nature of this empire, maybe more violent and more pagan than how it started.
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