the fallacy of eternal torment and related issues

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If Hell is real, why are its roots in paganism, rather than the Bible?

 

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If Hell is real, why was the revelation of it first given to pagan nations, instead of God’s covenant people?

 

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If Hell is real, why did God tell the Jews that burning their children alive in the fire to the false god Molech, (in the valley of Gehenna) was so detestable to Him?

 

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Traditional interpretation of the Bible says that more people will end up in Hell than in Heaven. If Hell is real, and the devil is the one who deceives people into going there, isn’t he ultimately the winner in the war for souls?

 

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If Hell was real, why do neither the Apostles Creed, nor the Nicean Creed, two foundational “doctrinal statements” for the early church, contain the concept of Hell?
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[Pilgrim 33]

If Hell was real and found in the original Greek manuscripts of the Bible, why is it that it was primarily those church leaders who either couldn't read Greek (Minucius Felix, Tertullian), or hated Greek as in the case of Augustine, that the doctrine of Hell was advocated?

Those who advocated Hell got it from the Latin, not from the original Greek and Hebrew. Who would more likely be correct--those who could read the original languages of the Bible or those who read a Latin translation made by one man (Jerome)?

 

[Pilgrim 33]

If Hell is real and Jesus teaches us to forgive seventy times seven and yet He Himself will never offer forgiveness to anyone after they die, does that not make Him a hypocrite?

 

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If Hell is real and God's wrath abides upon billions of human beings forever, doesn't that violate the Scripture which says His anger will come to an end? (Isaiah 57:16-18)

 

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If Hell is real, since some people receive many chances to "get saved," some receive only a few chances and billions have never even received one chance, does that make God a respecter of persons? (Acts 10:34, James 3:17). After all, billions of people have been born and died on this earth without a chance to ever hear the name of Jesus, the “only name under heaven by which men may be saved.”

 

[Pilgrim 33]

If there is a Hell and all who have sinned are destined to go there (which is everyone) unless they figure out how to avoid it, does that not consign all aborted babies and non-Christian children to Hell? (While some denominations teach a so-called "age of accountability," it is not found anywhere in the Bible. It is just some people's way of trying to make God more humane than the Hell teaching makes Him out to be).

 

[Pilgrim 33]

If Hell is real, does that mean that motherly love is more powerful and enduring than God's love? Do you know of normal parents who would endlessly torment most of their kids? Why do we believe our heavenly Father, who is millions of times more loving than all of us combined, could do such an evil, wicked thing?

 

[Pilgrim 33]

If Hell is real, would endless misery benefit the Almighty, as the inflictor? Would endless misery benefit the saints, as spectators? Would endless misery benefit the sinner, as the sufferer?

 

[Pilgrim 33]

If Hell is real, how does the threat of endlessly torturing us convince us that God loves us and that we should love Him with all our heart, soul, mind and strength?

 

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If there is a Hell and according to most denominations of Christianity the majority of mankind will go there, could you really enjoy heaven knowing your mother or father or children or best friend are suffering everlasting tortures the likes of which would make the Holocaust seem like a picnic?

 

[Pilgrim 33]

If Hell is real, will you judge your mother, son, or other non-believers to Hell? "Do ye not know that the saints "shall judge the world"? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?" 1 Corinthians 6:2-3

 

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If Hell is real and a place of terrible, unending pain, could you even send a dog to such a place?

 

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If Hell is real, can you honestly rejoice in the victory, love, and wisdom of God, knowing that somewhere in His beautiful creation there will always be a black and stinking hell-hole crammed full of tortured souls who have no chance for relief or forgiveness--or even death? Even if there was only one person left in such a state, how could all of Heaven—or you—rejoice for all eternity knowing that there was still one soul who had not been touched by the victory of Christ and was suffering alone?

 

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[SIZE=-1]If Hell is real, why was the revelation of it first given to pagan nations, instead of God’s covenant people?[/SIZE]

See below, Pro 23:14 Isa 14:9 Rev 14:11.

[SIZE=-1]If Hell is real, why was the revelation of it first given to pagan nations, instead of God’s covenant people?[/SIZE]

See below, Pro 23:14 Isa 14:9 Rev 14:11.

[SIZE=-1]If Hell is real, why are its roots in paganism, rather than the Bible?[/SIZE]

See below, Pro 23:14 Isa 14:9 Rev 14:11.

[SIZE=-1]If Hell was real and found in the original Greek manuscripts of the Bible, why is it that it was primarily those church leaders who either couldn't read Greek (Minucius Felix, Tertullian), or hated Greek as in the case of Augustine, that the doctrine of Hell was advocated?[/SIZE]

Who said they could not read Greek? See below, Pro 23:14 Isa 14:9 Rev 14:11.

[SIZE=-1]Those who advocated Hell got it from the Latin, not from the original Greek and Hebrew. Who would more likely be correct--those who could read the original languages of the Bible or those who read a Latin translation made by one man (Jerome)?[/SIZE]

See below, Pro 23:14 Isa 14:9 Rev 14:11.

[SIZE=-1]If Hell is real, why was the revelation of it first given to pagan nations, instead of God’s covenant people?[/SIZE]

Pro 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.​

If sheol, in the O.T., is only the grave, how will a father properly disciplining his child with a rod prevent the child from dying and being buried in the grave?

Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet [thee] at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, [even] all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.​

If sheol, in the O.T.. is only the grave, and dead is dead, and the unrighteous in the grave are annihilated, what was all this moving, stirring, and rising up, when the king of Babylon (vs. 4) died?

And in the N.T. Rev 14:11, see discussion above.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.​

10,000 x 10,000, years, centuries, aeons, from now God's aeoninan, eternal, ever lasting, never ending, word will forever read, "the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever" The word aeons reduplicated for emphasis. And the wicked, "have no rest day nor night, have no rest day nor night," into the eternity of aeons.

 

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[SIZE=-1]If Hell is real, why did God tell the Jews that burning their children alive in the fire to the false god Molech, (in the valley of Gehenna) was so detestable to Him?[/SIZE]

What does Israel disobeying God and sacrificing their children to a pagan idol, have to do with God's justice?