The Fall feasts.

[SpiritPsalmist]

Just a little detour here: I just looked up what "type and shadow" meant. I thought I knew but figured I should make sure. Well, type and shadow (which the frog keeps using as a reason to not celebrate the feasts) means "shadows or pictures which point to an event in the Old Testament which has a dual meaning, one fulfilled in it's historical context and a future context fulfilled in a revelation of the character or ministry of Christ". Nothing about "stay as far away as possible" does it mean. I personally believe that Rosh Hashanah is a type and shadow of the return of Jesus....it's also known as the "Feast of Trumpets".

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[Frogster]

Lets add this one pinetree you are claiming that the NT says that you are not to practice the OT feasts the truth is that the New Covenant says that you do not have to. But you are free too if you want. You see the New Covenant gives freedom not bondage to a new set of rules. But freedom to serve GOD however one feels like GOD wants you to.

green above, show me how I am bound to jewish feasts that were never given to gentiles or the church,. gimmie text!

Paul said he wasted his time on them in gal 4, when the Judaizers got them on their calendar, Paul did not go to jerusalem for 14 years, no feasts for Paul!

I WANT TEXT, NOT PINETREE, TEXT!

 

[Frogster]

Just a little detour here: I just looked up what "type and shadow" meant. I thought I knew but figured I should make sure. Well, type and shadow (which the frog keeps using as a reason to not celebrate the feasts) means "shadows or pictures which point to an event in the Old Testament which has a dual meaning, one fulfilled in it's historical context and a future context fulfilled in a revelation of the character or ministry of Christ". Nothing about "stay as far away as possible" does it mean. I personally believe that Rosh Hashanah is a type and shadow of the return of Jesus....it's also known as the "Feast of Trumpets".

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Shadows in Heb 10, and Col 2, were used in a durogatory manner.

POST text, gimmie something to take down, not these random, sorry, but with all due respect, ho-hum comments on a debate thread, please.

Did you ever notice that at pentecost, with the coming of the Spirit, it actually was an end to the era of feasts, law, etc?


Check out the chronologies in these passages. Redeemed from law, THEN CAME THE SPIRIT!


LOL! A feast at pent, ended the law era! tee hee..




After the curse of the law red, came the Spirit!

Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit[e] through faith.

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”


Both passages Show, after the curse of the law redEmption, came the Spirit!

You folks don't argue text, u argue sentimentality, i guess? I dunno..it is sooo clear!

LUV YA, FROGGY!

 

[Frogster]

Just a little detour here: I just looked up what "type and shadow" meant. I thought I knew but figured I should make sure. Well, type and shadow (which the frog keeps using as a reason to not celebrate the feasts) means "shadows or pictures which point to an event in the Old Testament which has a dual meaning, one fulfilled in it's historical context and a future context fulfilled in a revelation of the character or ministry of Christ". Nothing about "stay as far away as possible" does it mean. I personally believe that Rosh Hashanah is a type and shadow of the return of Jesus....it's also known as the "Feast of Trumpets".

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no one knows the day or the hour, so how could u be correct here?


Lets try to see the church now, forget judaism, the temple went down, it was a global hint!

 

[murjahel]

The Scripture does reveal that God set aside certain days in which He wanted the Jews to celebrate, or mourn. These were called "feasts" and "solemn days." God set these days aside for a reason.

Leviticus 23:44
"AND MOSES DECLARED UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, THE FEASTS OF THE LORD."

Numbers 10:10
"ALSO IN THE DAY OF YOUR GLADNESS, AND IN YOUR SOLEMN DAYS, AND IN THE BEGINNINGS OF YOUR MONTHS, YE SHALL BLOW WITH THE TRUMPETS OVER YOUR BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OVER YOUR SACRIFICES OF YOUR PEACE OFFERINGS: THAT THEY MAY BE TO YOU FOR A MEMORY BEFORE YOUR GOD: I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD."

God set "feasts of the Lord" for Israel to observe (Lev. 23). The Sabbath was a feast day that was to be observed weekly.

Seven other feasts were celebrated annually:
Passover,
Unleavened bread,
First fruits,
Pentecost,
Trumpets,
Atonement,
Tabernacles.

Many have wondered why we don't celebrate these feasts in the church age. The Bible refers to the Israelites celebrating them in the Old Testament, and the Bible refers to the celebration of them in the Millennial period. So why do we not celebrate them in the middle, church age?

Well, we can, if we so choose, we cannot, if we at least remember to celebrate what they prefigured.

The reason is that in the Old Testament, they prefigured the real, actual reason for the celebration of these days. For instance, Passover prefigured the sacrifice of the true Lamb of God. We now celebrate the real reason that the day was set aside as special. Some see the beauty of the 'picture form' of what God did in the fulfillment of the type, and can institute that part into their celebration of what the feast prefigured. Some of the Gentiles were ignorant of the feast prefiguring pictures, and did not bother with the celebration of those pictures. Some, especially those familiar with the Old Testament stories, saw the beauty of the fulfillment of those types, and continued in enjoying the picture, while celebrating the real.

As we see the unfolding revelation from God of the real meaning of these days, we will again celebrate these special days. It will not be a celebration of the "pre-figurement", but of the "fulfillment" of the day.

Each feast commemorated a specific event, but also prophesied of a later event to occur on the same day. We can expect some future prophetic events to be fulfilled on the exact day of certain feasts.

Colossians 2:16-17
"LET NO MAN JUDGE YOU IN MEATS, OR IN DRINK, OR IN RESPECT OF AN HOLY DAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS; WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME, BUT THE BODY IS CHRIST."

We are not still in the legalistic observance of these feasts. We are to be in the liberty of the Spirit, and understanding what these feasts prefigured prophetically.

God knows and has known, since the beginning, the complete details of His plans. He has slowly unfolded these plans to us during human history.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

The Scripture does reveal that God set aside certain days in which He wanted the Jews to celebrate, or mourn. These were called "feasts" and "solemn days." God set these days aside for a reason.

Leviticus 23:44
"AND MOSES DECLARED UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, THE FEASTS OF THE LORD."

Numbers 10:10
"ALSO IN THE DAY OF YOUR GLADNESS, AND IN YOUR SOLEMN DAYS, AND IN THE BEGINNINGS OF YOUR MONTHS, YE SHALL BLOW WITH THE TRUMPETS OVER YOUR BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OVER YOUR SACRIFICES OF YOUR PEACE OFFERINGS: THAT THEY MAY BE TO YOU FOR A MEMORY BEFORE YOUR GOD: I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD."

God set "feasts of the Lord" for Israel to observe (Lev. 23). The Sabbath was a feast day that was to be observed weekly.

Seven other feasts were celebrated annually:
Passover,
Unleavened bread,
First fruits,
Pentecost,
Trumpets,
Atonement,
Tabernacles.

Many have wondered why we don't celebrate these feasts in the church age. The Bible refers to the Israelites celebrating them in the Old Testament, and the Bible refers to the celebration of them in the Millennial period. So why do we not celebrate them in the middle, church age?

Well, we can, if we so choose, we cannot, if we at least remember to celebrate what they prefigured.

The reason is that in the Old Testament, they prefigured the real, actual reason for the celebration of these days. For instance, Passover prefigured the sacrifice of the true Lamb of God. We now celebrate the real reason that the day was set aside as special. Some see the beauty of the 'picture form' of what God did in the fulfillment of the type, and can institute that part into their celebration of what the feast prefigured. Some of the Gentiles were ignorant of the feast prefiguring pictures, and did not bother with the celebration of those pictures. Some, especially those familiar with the Old Testament stories, saw the beauty of the fulfillment of those types, and continued in enjoying the picture, while celebrating the real.

As we see the unfolding revelation from God of the real meaning of these days, we will again celebrate these special days. It will not be a celebration of the "pre-figurement", but of the "fulfillment" of the day.

Each feast commemorated a specific event, but also prophesied of a later event to occur on the same day. We can expect some future prophetic events to be fulfilled on the exact day of certain feasts.

Colossians 2:16-17
"LET NO MAN JUDGE YOU IN MEATS, OR IN DRINK, OR IN RESPECT OF AN HOLY DAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS; WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME, BUT THE BODY IS CHRIST."

We are not still in the legalistic observance of these feasts. We are to be in the liberty of the Spirit, and understanding what these feasts prefigured prophetically.

God knows and has known, since the beginning, the complete details of His plans. He has slowly unfolded these plans to us during human history.

Well said Murjahel. I and everyone I know who celebrates the feasts do not do so in legalistic observance. We see it as a "rehearsal" for the real thing.

 

[Frogster]

Col 10 is talking about sacrifices for sin....has nothing to do with keeping feasts and festivals and there are no sacrifices offered for sin in them.

Col 2 mentions those who make "rules" for you. Nobody has made rules for you. However, YOU are making rules for others. You should mind your own business and not have your nose in everyone elses. I view your comments on scripture as added and false doctrine. You're teaching that scripture says things that it doesn't. You have yet to actually prove anything you say scripture says.

I'll go back to ignoring you now.

No it isn't, everyone knows Paul was warding off angel wordhip, harsh body treatmeants, sabbath, festivals, circumcision, all of that.

No way, they were imposing rules in Colossians..lol!

Ok, ignore me now, but if one is going to come along, and post teaching threads, one sets one up as open to rebuttal, if you are going to do this, say something not true, then seek refuge under the ignore button, that does not do much for your teacher status, with all due respect,. ok, bye bye..

 

[Frogster]

The Scripture does reveal that God set aside certain days in which He wanted the Jews to celebrate, or mourn. These were called "feasts" and "solemn days." God set these days aside for a reason.

Leviticus 23:44
"AND MOSES DECLARED UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, THE FEASTS OF THE LORD."

Numbers 10:10
"ALSO IN THE DAY OF YOUR GLADNESS, AND IN YOUR SOLEMN DAYS, AND IN THE BEGINNINGS OF YOUR MONTHS, YE SHALL BLOW WITH THE TRUMPETS OVER YOUR BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OVER YOUR SACRIFICES OF YOUR PEACE OFFERINGS: THAT THEY MAY BE TO YOU FOR A MEMORY BEFORE YOUR GOD: I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD."

God set "feasts of the Lord" for Israel to observe (Lev. 23). The Sabbath was a feast day that was to be observed weekly.

Seven other feasts were celebrated annually:
Passover,
Unleavened bread,
First fruits,
Pentecost,
Trumpets,
Atonement,
Tabernacles.

Many have wondered why we don't celebrate these feasts in the church age. The Bible refers to the Israelites celebrating them in the Old Testament, and the Bible refers to the celebration of them in the Millennial period. So why do we not celebrate them in the middle, church age?

Well, we can, if we so choose, we cannot, if we at least remember to celebrate what they prefigured.

The reason is that in the Old Testament, they prefigured the real, actual reason for the celebration of these days. For instance, Passover prefigured the sacrifice of the true Lamb of God. We now celebrate the real reason that the day was set aside as special. Some see the beauty of the 'picture form' of what God did in the fulfillment of the type, and can institute that part into their celebration of what the feast prefigured. Some of the Gentiles were ignorant of the feast prefiguring pictures, and did not bother with the celebration of those pictures. Some, especially those familiar with the Old Testament stories, saw the beauty of the fulfillment of those types, and continued in enjoying the picture, while celebrating the real.

As we see the unfolding revelation from God of the real meaning of these days, we will again celebrate these special days. It will not be a celebration of the "pre-figurement", but of the "fulfillment" of the day.

Each feast commemorated a specific event, but also prophesied of a later event to occur on the same day. We can expect some future prophetic events to be fulfilled on the exact day of certain feasts.

Colossians 2:16-17
"LET NO MAN JUDGE YOU IN MEATS, OR IN DRINK, OR IN RESPECT OF AN HOLY DAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS; WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME, BUT THE BODY IS CHRIST."

We are not still in the legalistic observance of these feasts. We are to be in the liberty of the Spirit, and understanding what these feasts prefigured prophetically.

God knows and has known, since the beginning, the complete details of His plans. He has slowly unfolded these plans to us during human history.

they were for the jews..u said it!


Why is the shadow word used in a durogatory manner in Heb 10 and col 2?


Paul did not go to keep them for 14 years! Gal 2:1.

and they did not serve them either!


Heb 13:9 Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them.

oh boy! lluv this!

 

[Frogster]

The Scripture does reveal that God set aside certain days in which He wanted the Jews to celebrate, or mourn. These were called "feasts" and "solemn days." God set these days aside for a reason.

Leviticus 23:44
"AND MOSES DECLARED UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, THE FEASTS OF THE LORD."

Numbers 10:10
"ALSO IN THE DAY OF YOUR GLADNESS, AND IN YOUR SOLEMN DAYS, AND IN THE BEGINNINGS OF YOUR MONTHS, YE SHALL BLOW WITH THE TRUMPETS OVER YOUR BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OVER YOUR SACRIFICES OF YOUR PEACE OFFERINGS: THAT THEY MAY BE TO YOU FOR A MEMORY BEFORE YOUR GOD: I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD."

God set "feasts of the Lord" for Israel to observe (Lev. 23). The Sabbath was a feast day that was to be observed weekly.

Seven other feasts were celebrated annually:
Passover,
Unleavened bread,
First fruits,
Pentecost,
Trumpets,
Atonement,
Tabernacles.

Many have wondered why we don't celebrate these feasts in the church age. The Bible refers to the Israelites celebrating them in the Old Testament, and the Bible refers to the celebration of them in the Millennial period. So why do we not celebrate them in the middle, church age?

Well, we can, if we so choose, we cannot, if we at least remember to celebrate what they prefigured.

The reason is that in the Old Testament, they prefigured the real, actual reason for the celebration of these days. For instance, Passover prefigured the sacrifice of the true Lamb of God. We now celebrate the real reason that the day was set aside as special. Some see the beauty of the 'picture form' of what God did in the fulfillment of the type, and can institute that part into their celebration of what the feast prefigured. Some of the Gentiles were ignorant of the feast prefiguring pictures, and did not bother with the celebration of those pictures. Some, especially those familiar with the Old Testament stories, saw the beauty of the fulfillment of those types, and continued in enjoying the picture, while celebrating the real.

As we see the unfolding revelation from God of the real meaning of these days, we will again celebrate these special days. It will not be a celebration of the "pre-figurement", but of the "fulfillment" of the day.

Each feast commemorated a specific event, but also prophesied of a later event to occur on the same day. We can expect some future prophetic events to be fulfilled on the exact day of certain feasts.

Colossians 2:16-17
"LET NO MAN JUDGE YOU IN MEATS, OR IN DRINK, OR IN RESPECT OF AN HOLY DAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS; WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME, BUT THE BODY IS CHRIST."

We are not still in the legalistic observance of these feasts. We are to be in the liberty of the Spirit, and understanding what these feasts prefigured prophetically.

God knows and has known, since the beginning, the complete details of His plans. He has slowly unfolded these plans to us during human history.

gimmie a break, the 'let no man judge you" was about NOT keeping them! heck, even the NLT knew that!


16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

 

[probinson]

Personally, I do not observe the "fall feasts". However, I have absolutely no problem with someone who does.

No one in this thread is stating that observance of the feasts is a requirement. They are not even attempting to impose them on others. They are simply sharing why they choose to observe them.

On the other side of the debate, you have those who are saying that we CANNOT observe the feasts, ironically claiming it's because of "grace" that we CANNOT do something. In reality however, they are creating a new rule that simply does not exist and attempting to impose their own ideas on others, intruding on the freedom we all have. Newsflash: that's not "grace", no matter how much chest thumping or self aggrandizement one does.

If you want to celebrate and observe the feasts, by all means, do so. If you don't want to celebrate or observe the feasts, then don't. It's really that simple.

 

[murjahel]

gimmie a break, the 'let no man judge you" was about NOT keeping them! heck, even the NLT knew that!


16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

So, then, I take it, you see it all right to judge another for celebrating a feast day, and yet, not right for them to judge you for not celebrating one... Then if Scripture harmonizes, try this verse...

Romans 14:4-6 (KJV)
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it...

Judging others is so hard a job, I think we can take a millennia or two and give it up for that time... then if you want to judge me, go ahead... LOL

 

[rick357]

gimmie a break, the 'let no man judge you" was about NOT keeping them! heck, even the NLT knew that!

16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

Do you also not celebrate christmass and easter and halloween or is it only biblical feast you think betray grace.

 

[murjahel]

gimmie a break, the 'let no man judge you" was about NOT keeping them! heck, even the NLT knew that!


16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

Colossians 2:16-18 (Wescott-Hort)
16 μη ουν τις υμας κρινετω εν βρωσει και εν ποσει η εν μερει εορτης η νεομηνιας η σαββατων
17 α εστιν σκια των μελλοντων το δε σωμα του χριστου

Actually, the words from the NLT, saying 'for not' is not a translation but a paraphrase not backed up by the Greek wording... in other words, there is no greek for the words 'for not'... it is inserted...

The Greek word 'meros' is translated by the KJV with 'in respect' and is a closer translation, but in reality, the thought of the Greek wording is 'in the choosing to or not to...'

The wording does not indicate the evil of respecting a holy day or not respecting the holy day.

The context backs up this also, for Paul is not condemning the meat, the drink, the keeping or not keeping of the Sabbath days, the keeping or not keeping of the new moon days ( a prophetic service was held each new moon, where a prophet was available, and worship and prophesying occurred)...

So, the continuation of those things was made optional, as chosen, and was not to be something that one used to judge another for an opposite choice on such.

So, I do not have to allow anyone to judge me for doing those things or not for doing those things... so... you are not allowed to... Cease immediately... LOL

 

[jiminpa]

Colossians 2:16-18 (Wescott-Hort)
16 μη ουν τις υμας κρινετω εν βρωσει και εν ποσει η εν μερει εορτης η νεομηνιας η σαββατων
17 α εστιν σκια των μελλοντων το δε σωμα του χριστου

Actually, the words from the NLT, saying 'for not' is not a translation but a paraphrase not backed up by the Greek wording... in other words, there is no greek for the words 'for not'... it is inserted...

The Greek word 'meros' is translated by the KJV with 'in respect' and is a closer translation, but in reality, the thought of the Greek wording is 'in the choosing to or not to...'

The wording does not indicate the evil of respecting a holy day or not respecting the holy day.

The context backs up this also, for Paul is not condemning the meat, the drink, the keeping or not keeping of the Sabbath days, the keeping or not keeping of the new moon days ( a prophetic service was held each new moon, where a prophet was available, and worship and prophesying occurred)...

So, the continuation of those things was made optional, as chosen, and was not to be something that one used to judge another for an opposite choice on such.

So, I do not have to allow anyone to judge me for doing those things or not for doing those things... so... you are not allowed to... Cease immediately... LOL

That'll get him good and stirred up.

 

[NannaNae]

so gosh go on and ignore Jesus and His words and His kingdom.. what are they to you all?

SURE you can go back to your worship of fat guys in red suits and bunnnies that lay golden eggs.. or whatever .
but " God clearly says "
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain." he is not talk what we call cuss words..
so my guess is sprinkling a little bit of Jesus on some pagan rites is just such a vanity he is speaking of ,
my guess is that is just the kind of vain he speaks of ( food sacrificed to Idols) , that is what he means by that law . and those who are his will let him write those laws on their hearts because they love him..
If you do not celebrate what he did tell us to do , to know more of him and his kingdom better , maybe it would be a good idea to at least stop using his name in vain pagan rites.

 

[NannaNae]

maybe just take a break and really study what it is you do do in his name?

 

[Frogster]

So, then, I take it, you see it all right to judge another for celebrating a feast day, and yet, not right for them to judge you for not celebrating one... Then if Scripture harmonizes, try this verse...

Romans 14:4-6 (KJV)
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it...

Judging others is so hard a job, I think we can take a millennia or two and give it up for that time... then if you want to judge me, go ahead... LOL

By the way. if you were referrring to Zech, about future feasts, read it, it says if they don't do booths, they get punishment, no rain etc, that is subjugation, to judaism, totally against NT theology, so if that is what you meant, you may want to rethink your interp of that, besides, how will all of these people fit in Israel? Tee hee..Read it, it's all there, punishment, and somehow all these people fit there..Not exaclty a happy feast keeping event is it?


Please stop acting like Paul did not fight off Judaistic imposition on the churches, read gal 4:10-11, he said he wasted his time on them, if they were observing that calendar that the Judaizers promoted. Paul taught doctrine, that does not mean one is judging. Paul was clearly protecting them from leaven, that being the feasts, Sabbath, etc.

So this whole "judging" thing has no weight with the frog.

Lets not forget the doctrine of demons comment from "Mr Judging" Paul in 1 Tim 4, about food stuff, gee, sounds like Rom 12, food abstinence, sometimes Rom 14 is not everything, I go by the whole of the theology.The house churches in Rome were fighting too much, so fine, there is a time to not fight, but this is a forum, we talk doctrine, so again, the judging thing won't stick on my green skin!

 

[Frogster]

Colossians 2:16-18 (Wescott-Hort)
16 μη ουν τις υμας κρινετω εν βρωσει και εν ποσει η εν μερει εορτης η νεομηνιας η σαββατων
17 α εστιν σκια των μελλοντων το δε σωμα του χριστου

Actually, the words from the NLT, saying 'for not' is not a translation but a paraphrase not backed up by the Greek wording... in other words, there is no greek for the words 'for not'... it is inserted...

The Greek word 'meros' is translated by the KJV with 'in respect' and is a closer translation, but in reality, the thought of the Greek wording is 'in the choosing to or not to...'

The wording does not indicate the evil of respecting a holy day or not respecting the holy day.

The context backs up this also, for Paul is not condemning the meat, the drink, the keeping or not keeping of the Sabbath days, the keeping or not keeping of the new moon days ( a prophetic service was held each new moon, where a prophet was available, and worship and prophesying occurred)...

So, the continuation of those things was made optional, as chosen, and was not to be something that one used to judge another for an opposite choice on such.

So, I do not have to allow anyone to judge me for doing those things or not for doing those things... so... you are not allowed to... Cease immediately... LOL

Excuse, but the point was, Paul was saying no feasts.
Unless you think the "therfore" of 2:16, is not there for a reason.

They were trying to get the church into angel worship, circumcision, asceticism, Sabbath, food stuff, all of which are in the section of the negatives, the things not to bother with.


16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

read the flow, 2;16, after the therefore, is the list of things to avoid, and the feasts and Sabbath were the first things on Paul's list

If I am wrong about the contextual flow, then you must think Paul is saying, "don't let them judge you when you want to worship angels" and all of the other things I mentioned., no getting around that point, in the flow of the wordage.


Actually, if you read earlier, Paul is saying this is not about the gospel.

1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

He was setting the stage here for his argument, stay in the gospel. What would make them go away? Their fine sounding arguments, see 2:4 and 2:8. And feasts were a part of that whole mess that they were trying to subjugate the church with.

Then he said in chpt 2, it cuts people off from the head, that being Christ in 2:19!


And 2:6 says, as you received Christ, keep going, by faith, in other words don;t let them add all this stuff on you!




PS, i know it is not in the Greek, but it is so obvious, that even the NLT put the not word in.

 

[rick357]

Excuse, but the point was, Paul was saying no feasts.
Unless you think the "therfore" of 2:16, is not there for a reason.

They were trying to get the church into angel worship, circumcision, asceticism, Sabbath, food stuff, all of which are in the section of the negatives, the things not to bother with.

16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

read the flow, 2;16, after the therefore, is the list of things to avoid, and the feasts and Sabbath were the first things on Paul's list

If I am wrong about the contextual flow, then you must think Paul is saying, "don't let them judge you when you want to worship angels" and all of the other things I mentioned., no getting around that point, in the flow of the wordage.

Actually, if you read earlier, Paul is saying this is not about the gospel.

1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

He was setting the stage here for his argument, stay in the gospel. What would make them go away? Their fine sounding arguments, see 2:4 and 2:8. And feasts were a part of that whole mess that they were trying to subjugate the church with.

Then he said in chpt 2, it cuts people off from the head, that being Christ in 2:19!

And 2:6 says, as you received Christ, keep going, by faith, in other words don;t let them add all this stuff on you!

PS, i know it is not in the Greek, but it is so obvious, that even the NLT put the not word in.

For one who said it is required for you to do it...and my question remains...do you have the same issues with christmass easter

 

[murjahel]

They were trying to get the church into angel worship, circumcision, asceticism, Sabbath, food stuff, all of which are in the section of the negatives, the things not to bother with.

PS, i know it is not in the Greek, but it is so obvious, that even the NLT put the not word in.

Paul was reminding them that the feasts, Sabbaths, etc were types and figures, but not the substance... One can celebrate that Jesus became our Passover, and not be just trusting the blood of a literal lamb to save. If one turns from Christ back to the feasts, etc., then that is wrong. That is what some had done... but to celebrate the feasts as prefiguring Christ, to be now realizing Jesus is our Sabbath, our Passover lamb, our Lord Who tabernacled with us, our FIRSTFRUIT of resurrection, etc is what the feasts are now to show us. It is not worshiping Christ and His fulfillment of the feasts that Paul objected to...

So, you add to the word, and think it is 'so obvious', well, what you use in your judging ways is not 'so obvious' to students of the Word... I am commandedin Colossians to not allow anyone to judge me concerning this subject... It ceases now, no more judgment words to me, frogster! cease contact...