The Fall feasts.

[jiminpa]

A fellowship thread was started to discuss how some of us here may celebrate Rosh Hashanah. As we could all guess it was almost immediately derailed with the ironic accusation that the pagan winter solstice festival is freedom and the Biblical celebration of God coming to dwell with us in one of our temporary shelters, (like our bodies are), is wrong.

So I want to create a discussion thread for that purpose.

Here you go. Feel free to advocate your drunken, naked celebrations of the birth of the our star here. While that statement is a bit tongue in cheek, that IS what christmas really is. So raise a glass, whip out your credit card, go into debt and don't forget to mention Jesus somewhere in the process to make it a Christian celebration.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

 

[rick357]

Strikes me as odd that people who repeat over and over that the law is dead and you can not do those things and serve christ dont realize in saying that you have just made a law...and not even a sensible one

 

[RychusRkr]

A fellowship thread was started to discuss how some of us here may celebrate Rosh Hashanah. As we could all guess it was almost immediately derailed with the ironic accusation that the pagan winter solstice festival is freedom and the Biblical celebration of God coming to dwell with us in one of our temporary shelters, (like our bodies are), is wrong.

So I want to create a discussion thread for that purpose.

Here you go. Feel free to advocate your drunken, naked celebrations of the birth of the our star hear. While that statement is a bit tongue in cheek, that IS what christmas really is. So raise a glass, whip out your credit card, go into debt and don't forget to mention Jesus somewhere in the process to make it a Christian celebration.

Will since this seems to be a 'christmas' discussion thread, --since I've been a believer, the christmas holiday is just a huge bump in the year, it stressful, it's commercial, you have to hang around drunken in laws, spend the whole month worried about who you bought gifts for and who you need to buy gifts for, I don't know, It just doesn't feel right anymore, it's such a big distraction. It comes with all these memories, for me actually good ones, but so emotional wrenching for me, I get all derailed in my faith walk and spiritual progress. I really dread the upcoming 'holiday' season. busy busy busy... I should check out to a cabin in Wyoming (or hut in Tahiti) for the month of December..

 

[rick357]

Will since this seems to be a 'christmas' discussion thread, --since I've been a believer, the christmas holiday is just a huge bump in the year, it stressful, it's commercial, you have to hang around drunken in laws, spend the whole month worried about who you bought gifts for and who you need to buy gifts for, I don't know, It just doesn't feel right anymore, it's such a big distraction. It comes with all these memories, for me actually good ones, but so emotional wrenching for me, I get all derailed in my faith walk and spiritual progress. I really dread the upcoming 'holiday' season. busy busy busy... I should check out to a cabin in Wyoming (or hut in Tahiti) for the month of December..

I agree that these church holidays do little in the way of encouraging spiritual growth...also Im not saying that anyone who takes part is a pagan devil worshiper...though that is who they were taken from.

My bewilderment is at those bristle at the idea that the feast in the bible should be honored as showing who christ is and what he has and is doing. How can you celebrate a winter solstice and spring equinox and then judge those who celebrate the Holy days given in scripture as evil deceivers.

 

[jiminpa]

My basic idea was to have a thread to discuss/argue/debate about Biblical holy days and Western holidays, so that the fellowship thread about Rosh Hashanah could be a fellowship thread.

I took an intentionally aggressive stand against Christmas just to see if I could get things stirred up a bit.

 

[~RENEE~]

for one to feel a connection to the OT feasts does not show that they do not experience the love of Jesus it just shows that they show their love for Him differently. To argue something like that shows a total lack of understanding.

If you don't feel like taking part in the feasts don't no one is making you. Don't degrade the ones that feel a connection to GOD for doing show.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

for one to feel a connection to the OT feasts does not show that they do not experience the love of Jesus it just shows that they show their love for Him differently. To argue something like that shows a total lack of understanding.

If you don't feel like taking part in the feasts don't no one is making you. Don't degrade the ones that feel a connection to GOD for doing show.

How and why do you think that anyone ever said OT feasts have any bearing on the love of Jesus? The love of Jesus is perfect because He has and is perfect love. No one is loved any less or any more by keeping or not keeping OT feasts.

It is the person that feels whatever they feel when they keep the OT feasts. I personally think that they want to experience what the Jews experienced or get into that frame of mind. Although God made it clear that those laws were for the Israelites and their decedents, but people always want what they shouldn't have. They want to dip into the old covenant and then dip into the new covenant. Forgetting that no one could keep the old covenant, which is why we have Jesus and the new covenant. It's the gimme, gimme, gimme it all. I want it all.

If they are trying to become what Jesus wants them to become they would focus on the new covenant that Jesus died to give us. They aren't satisfied with what Jesus died to give us, they want to be saved by it, but they are not satisfied with it.

 

[Frogster]

Se how unorthodox theology, that being the church keeping feasts, always is trouble, because there is no text to support it, and what we have goes against it, that is a fact.

That is why millions of Christians don't bother, the feasts were not given to the gentiles, let alone the church..want text?

I got it!

 

[rick357]

staff edit

One...Jesus came for the lost house of.Israel as both his written word his own words and the apostle to the gentiles confirmed....If a tree branch is grafted in does the fruit not grow from the life of the root...

And also consider Pauls example what is a wild olive branch what is a domesticated olive branch...a domestic fruit tree is bread trimmed and cultivated for the purpose of producing larger and better fruit...a wild branch produced smaller and less edable fruit....if the Lord is correct that YHWH is our husbandman then to completly discount all he did for thousands of years seems ill thought out.

Most of this attitude towards YHWH's law as given to Moses as obselete comes from a misunderstanding of the covenant verses what it teaches about him and his promises.
The contract itself was between YHWH and sons of Adam...cultivated for his purpose drawn out but still sons of Adam...as are we...

Which as Paul pointed out was the weakness of the first contract....but the second a new man was made a man who lived by the power of the Spirit of YHWH.

What then are the feast? They are the witness of YHWH of who his Messiah is ,what he has done ,what he will do, and what he has made us.

The feast and entire Law do not justify do not make righteous...but they teach us the glory of Messiah.

 

[Frogster]

One...Jesus came for the lost house of.Israel as both his written word his own words and the apostle to the gentiles confirmed....If a tree branch is grafted in does the fruit not grow from the life of the root...

And also consider Pauls example what is a wild olive branch what is a domesticated olive branch...a domestic fruit tree is bread trimmed and cultivated for the purpose of producing larger and better fruit...a wild branch produced smaller and less edable fruit....if the Lord is correct that YHWH is our husbandman then to completly discount all he did for thousands of years seems ill thought out.

Most of this attitude towards YHWH's law as given to Moses as obselete comes from a misunderstanding of the covenant verses what it teaches about him and his promises.
The contract itself was between YHWH and sons of Adam...cultivated for his purpose drawn out but still sons of Adam...as are we...

Which as Paul pointed out was the weakness of the first contract....but the second a new man was made a man who lived by the power of the Spirit of YHWH.

What then are the feast? They are the witness of YHWH of who his Messiah is ,what he has done ,what he will do, and what he has made us.

The feast and entire Law do not justify do not make righteous...but they teach us the glory of Messiah.

No faith please God..


Heb 10:5 Consequently, when Christ[a] came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7

 

[rick357]

No faith please God..

Heb 10:5 Consequently, when Christ[a] came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7

Did he say this under new or old...the just shall live by faith.

 

[Frogster]

I post facts..the Passover, food laws, feasts, were not for gentiles, especially not His church!


Psalm 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob, his statutes and rules to Israel.20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation; (gentiles mine) they do not know his rules.
Praise the LORD!



2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the LORD my God and dedicate it to him for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the LORD our God, as ordained forever for Israel.

Passover of the Gentiles, or Jews?

John 2:13
The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

John 6:4
Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.

John 11:55
Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover to purify themselves

Exodus 12:48
When a stranger sojourning with you wishes to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.


1 Cor 9:21 To those outside the law (gentiles mine) I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.


Rom 2:12 For all who have sinned without the law (gentiles mine) will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.


Deuteronomy5:3
Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.

Acts 14:16 In past generations he allowed all the nations (Gentiles) to walk in their own ways.


Acts 17:30 The times of ignorance (Gentiles) God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,

Peter said the ignorance word too, about gentiles, they were not under the law.1 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,

Romans 9:4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises.


case closed.

 

[Frogster]

Galatianism, had not only a legal objection from Paul,, but even more so, a dynamic objection, to the principle of binding the conscience to Judaism.

The dynamics...

 

[rick357]

You are in sin for eating a shrimp.

Do they think they are bound by law to keep the food laws, passover, sabbath, feasts?

*[[Psa 78:1-4]] RNKJV* Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.

I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.

We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of יהוה, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.

*[[1Ti 5:18]] RNKJV* For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

So why does the law saw not to eat certain things

 

[Frogster]

good try pine needles I don't eat seafood. ALLERGIC. btw no one said it was a sin but you. So apparently you think you are in sin. Then STOP SINNIN

incorrect, the same law that has the feasts, sabbath, etc, has the food laws, it is sin to violate them under the old cov.

 

[Frogster]

*[[Psa 78:1-4]] RNKJV* Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.

I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.

We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of יהוה, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.

*[[1Ti 5:18]] RNKJV* For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

So why does the law saw not to eat certain things

See MOSES!

 

[rick357]

See MOSES!

That is actually the point...Moses through the veil does not show the glory of God...it is only things to do or not do...but when you accept christ... when he is alive in you...when the Spirit leads you into all truth

The veil is removed then Moses shows you who we are...and who we are becoming...the law was spoken by God to Moses....is he a man that he should lie or the son of man that he should repent.

 

[Frogster]

That is actually the point...Moses through the veil does not show the glory of God...it is only things to do or not do...but when you accept christ... when he is alive in you...when the Spirit leads you into all truth

The veil is removed then Moses shows you who we are...and who we are becoming...the law was spoken by God to Moses....is he a man that he should lie or the son of man that he should repent.

wha?

 

[rick357]

wha?

Moses came down from Sinai to give Israel the law the glory of God was shining from his face Israel put a veil over his face....so the work of man covered the glory of God.

Paul says they still read Moses through the veil...the question is do we